The Game of Surrounding aka _wei chi_ in the original Chinese or _baduk_ (Korean) or "turff" is so far in barbarian tongues most commonly called by its Japanese name of "_go_", which word naturally can be somewhat confusing in translation into English.
Although in millennia of traditional folklore, masters of the profound game have a reputation for wisdom, one sometimes notes departures from this high level in the actual behavior of players on-line.
*************** game chat panel Thursday 091022 @10:30 hrs PDT = 17:30 hrz* (*= Zulu = UTC = former GMT).
"John Hendrick" playing as "jiva" repeatedly requests "undo": jiva [1k]: thx womack [1k]: forget it jiva [1k]: oh jiva [1k]: you don't want to give me an undo for a mis click? jiva [1k]: ok... jiva [1k]: i'll just sit here and watch porn while you wait for me to lose on time then. womack [1k]: you mislabel a minor hasty error jiva [1k]: nope jiva [1k]: my hand was in the wrong area jiva [1k]: as soon as i saw your move i accidentally clicked in lower right jiva [1k]: you can wait for 7 minutes jiva [1k]: that's fine jiva [1k]: you're winning anyway jiva [1k]: i don't see why you want to be an asshole. jiva [1k]: but i guess that old man in your picture is an asshole too womack [1k]: "Asshole!" cried the turd as it dropped into the toilet bowl with a splash. jiva [1k]: nice, trying to diffuse the sutation with a funny joke. jiva [1k]: i'm sure your Hello Jiva was pure sarcasm, considering your present behavior womack [1k]: I have captured our convo and may publish it jiva [1k]: i'm glad womack [1k]: to rec.games.go if you make yourself funny enough, John Hendricks jiva [1k]: you will be banned from kgs because of your taunting womack [1k]: When will that be ? jiva [1k]: My name is John Hendrick without the s womack [1k]: noed womack [1k]: *t jiva [1k]: whenever the admins see this convo, they will ban you for being rude to me jiva [1k]: i'll tell you what womack [1k]: Are you in the Pentagon? jiva [1k]: why don't you just leave me alone and we'll call it even. {resigns} **************************************
Had Mr.Hendrick apologized for his rudeness like a gentleman, then might I have felt some compunction about publishing this little bit of nonsense.
KGS games, unless embargoed for some reason, are permanently available in the Archives by player-name.
The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), http://www.pacbi.org/
A.) On Thursday, the 8th of June 1967, Jews murder 34 US sailors in order to show Pentagon brass who's running the show after the ride through Dealey Plaza fours years before: http://www.ussliberty.org/
WIKI: "Subsequent to his acquittal, Captain R., was promoted to the rank of major. In March 2006, he received 82,000 New Israel Shekels (roughly $17,000) to compensate him for his defense expenditures and time spent in jail.Captain R. also filed a libel suit against Dayan and Channel 2."
**** B.) Flying Trapeze Aerial Voltige http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPWJc8sLhjo The more often one watches the greatest 4'21" of human high jinks ever on tape, the bester it gets. Flow ye tears of joy, the sheriff said.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.} http://www.biblegateway.com/
"Who is your God?" Song video by Desert Rose; recommended by Cynthia McKinney, with only 116 YouTube views as of 091015 but good for clearing the sinuses:
30.) Here's the link to what I wrote on the eve of SonnaBush's (fronting for Aerial Shaboom) invasion of Iraq: http://tinyurl.com/2xcvdo
(The tag end of the piece was stuck on rather roughly by the HANDSTAND editor & could profit from a bit of pruning.)
If any reader can find another article from that critical moment which has better stood the test of time, will she please be so kind as to tell me about it? ...........................................................................
31.) February 7, 2008 "It's the Real Thing: Hugo Chávez's Coca"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, alt.support.depression, alt.california, alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.politics.economics From: Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Procrastinating Right Away
From "Private Message" exchange on KGS [#1 below] (Thursday 091022):
gepay: the name of the private boarding school in Switzerland where Helms went was Le Rosey womack: Did I mention Ross Thomas (#2) to you? womack: http://www.rosey.ch/ gepay: Ii is also interesting that helm's maternal grandfather was once head of the Federal Reserve gepay: yes but i haven't looked into him womack: "Anthropology & Sociology of World Rulers 101" ? gepay: sound interesting to me womack: I happen to have a pending request from my oldest friend who's the most senior prof of sociology at the largest U in the world gepay: I am interested in the macroparasites that think they run the world womack: "parasites" way too mild. "predators" stronger & still too mild.... [snip]
----------------------------------------------------- On Oct 22, 11:03 am, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Game of Surrounding aka _wei chi_ in the original Chinese or > _baduk_ (Korean) or "turff" is so far in barbarian tongues most > commonly called by its Japanese name of "_go_", which word naturally > can be somewhat confusing in translation into English.
> Although in millennia of traditional folklore, masters of the profound > game have a reputation for wisdom, one sometimes notes departures from > this high level in the actual behavior of players on-line.
> *************** > game chat panel Thursday 091022 @10:30 hrs PDT = 17:30 hrz* (*= Zulu = > UTC = former GMT).
> "John Hendrick" playing as "jiva" repeatedly requests "undo": > jiva [1k]: thx > womack [1k]: forget it > jiva [1k]: oh > jiva [1k]: you don't want to give me an undo for a mis click? > jiva [1k]: ok... > jiva [1k]: i'll just sit here and watch porn while you wait for me to > lose on time then. > womack [1k]: you mislabel a minor hasty error > jiva [1k]: nope > jiva [1k]: my hand was in the wrong area > jiva [1k]: as soon as i saw your move i accidentally clicked in lower > right > jiva [1k]: you can wait for 7 minutes > jiva [1k]: that's fine > jiva [1k]: you're winning anyway > jiva [1k]: i don't see why you want to be an asshole. > jiva [1k]: but i guess that old man in your picture is an asshole too > womack [1k]: "Asshole!" cried the turd as it dropped into the toilet > bowl with a splash. > jiva [1k]: nice, trying to diffuse the sutation with a funny joke. > jiva [1k]: i'm sure your Hello Jiva was pure sarcasm, considering your > present behavior > womack [1k]: I have captured our convo and may publish it > jiva [1k]: i'm glad > womack [1k]: to rec.games.go if you make yourself funny enough, John > Hendricks > jiva [1k]: you will be banned from kgs because of your taunting > womack [1k]: When will that be ? > jiva [1k]: My name is John Hendrick without the s > womack [1k]: noed > womack [1k]: *t > jiva [1k]: whenever the admins see this convo, they will ban you for > being rude to me > jiva [1k]: i'll tell you what > womack [1k]: Are you in the Pentagon? > jiva [1k]: why don't you just leave me alone and we'll call it even. > {resigns} > **************************************
> Had Mr.Hendrick apologized for his rudeness like a gentleman, then > might I have felt some compunction about publishing this little bit of > nonsense.
> KGS games, unless embargoed for some reason, are permanently available > in the Archives by player-name.
> The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of > Israel (PACBI),http://www.pacbi.org/
> A.) On Thursday, the 8th of June 1967, Jews murder 34 US sailors in > order to show Pentagon brass who's running the show after the ride > through Dealey Plaza fours years before:http://www.ussliberty.org/
> WIKI: "Subsequent to his acquittal, Captain R., was promoted to the > rank of major. In March 2006, he received 82,000 New Israel Shekels > (roughly $17,000) to compensate him for his defense expenditures and > time spent in jail.Captain R. also filed a libel suit against Dayan > and Channel 2."
> **** B.) Flying Trapeze Aerial Voltigehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPWJc8sLhjo > The more often one watches the greatest 4'21" of human high jinks ever > on tape, the bester it gets. Flow ye tears of joy, the sheriff said.
> 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for > he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God > whom he hath not seen?
> 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love > his brother also.}http://www.biblegateway.com/
> "Who is your God?" Song video by Desert Rose; recommended by Cynthia > McKinney, with only 116 YouTube views as of 091015 but good for > clearing the sinuses:
> Although in millennia of traditional folklore, masters of the profound > game have a reputation for wisdom, one sometimes notes departures from > this high level in the actual behavior of players on-line.
> *************** > game chat panel Thursday 091022 @10:30 hrs PDT = 17:30 hrz* (*= Zulu = > UTC = former GMT).
> "John Hendrick" playing as "jiva" repeatedly requests "undo":
15 yard penalty for with hodling information:
Was he making repeated bad moves that he asked an undos on each occasion, or did he make a single bad move and ask several times that you undo that single move?
Did you snip some info here? I am a bit confused, why did he say thx?
> jiva [1k]: you don't want to give me an undo for a mis click? > jiva [1k]: ok... > jiva [1k]: i'll just sit here and watch porn while you wait for me to > lose on time then. > womack [1k]: you mislabel a minor hasty error > jiva [1k]: nope > jiva [1k]: my hand was in the wrong area > jiva [1k]: as soon as i saw your move i accidentally clicked in lower > right
To render judgment about who is being unreasonable here, I would have to see the move that he made. Maybe it was an obvious misclick.
> jiva [1k]: you can wait for 7 minutes > jiva [1k]: that's fine > jiva [1k]: you're winning anyway > jiva [1k]: i don't see why you want to be an asshole.
I do not really see any of what he said as being unreasonable if, for instance, he clicked on the 1-1 point instead of clicking on an obvious forcing move. I would probably feel the same way. If the time frame were 10 minutes for 25 moves, and he felt you were being a jerk (I would have to see the context of the undo to make that call myself) , then why not use up all the clock?
> jiva [1k]: but i guess that old man in your picture is an asshole too > womack [1k]: "Asshole!" cried the turd as it dropped into the toilet > bowl with a splash. > jiva [1k]: nice, trying to diffuse the sutation with a funny joke. > jiva [1k]: i'm sure your Hello Jiva was pure sarcasm, considering your > present behavior > womack [1k]: I have captured our convo and may publish it
man, you need a little grace in your life.
> jiva [1k]: i'm glad > womack [1k]: to rec.games.go if you make yourself funny enough, John > Hendricks
I will say, given that he did resign the game, that I will probably avoid playing with you. The resignation is ultimately the primary act of honor.
> jiva [1k]: you will be banned from kgs because of your taunting > womack [1k]: When will that be ? > jiva [1k]: My name is John Hendrick without the s > womack [1k]: noed > womack [1k]: *t > jiva [1k]: whenever the admins see this convo, they will ban you for > being rude to me > jiva [1k]: i'll tell you what > womack [1k]: Are you in the Pentagon? > jiva [1k]: why don't you just leave me alone and we'll call it even. > {resigns} > **************************************
This is an embarrassment to both of you. But actually, I think more to you than to jiva. He is probably still a young male with a little growing up to do and still has time to do it. You on the other hand , are running out of time.
> Had Mr.Hendrick apologized for his rudeness like a gentleman, then > might I have felt some compunction about publishing this little bit of > nonsense.
When my opponent makes a physically clumsy mistake, I grant him the requested undo or sometimes even initiate it myself, adding the warning "once only". Errors of judgment OTOH are part of the game and one is both entitled and supposed to take advantage of such. Indeed, punishing inferior play = one of the game's basic motifs.
When I misplace a stone (on-line, of course), then instantly I go into Emergency Mode, flash to my opponent "TYPO! PLS UNDO!" & hit the undo button. On the rare occasions when the opponent refuses to allow undo for an obvious physical slip, then I may resign if the damage therefrom was too important. Then "censor" the bad sport.
In the particular case which generated this thread, my opponent "jiva" 1k was losing --as he confessed in the text and is obvious from the game record, of which more anon-- when he made a hasty but rational move in the SE corner @ S3 which cost him a couple of points. After I had already replied to his error by taking a small ko @ L15 in the NE corner, he then resorted to multiple "undo" punching. His "thx" was sarcastic after my definite refusals and was also the first word he said on the subject.
Did Nameless "Brent* (henceforth "NB") charge me with "with hodling" info before himself asking me for it?
In the originating post I already pointed out that: "KGS games, unless embargoed for some reason, are permanently available in the Archives by player-name."
Now come to find out that the Archives also preserve the record of the Game Chat Panel, which anyone including NB can easily check for herself --or himself or, in the case of the nameless, itself.
My impression of this game = after losing a decisive group, "jiva" was acting like a spoiled brat, looking for an excuse to cover up his defeat, at least in his own mind. His perverse whining & ridiculous threats against me flesh out this picture. After a moment's reflection on my direct rebuttal, jiva did come to his senses enough to resign the game and to make a halfhearted gesture to "call it even". Which is more than can be said for our subsequent commentator NB, who came along in cold blood, with unlimited time for reflection on the published & recommended record --did he but choose to avail himself thereof-- and fecklessly tried to render judgment against me for my simple narrative.
NB seems to be running for the title of the Snot-Nosed Kid, if I may say so gracefully. While it would be wrong to say that all Christians are fools, NB's sorry example does serve to remind us that many fools call themselves Christians --as if, after Pope Ratzo, Pat Robertson, John Hagee** and that whole bent lot of bloody-handed Bible-thumpers, we really needed any such reinforcement. BTW NB's self-proclaimed "Christian" I.D. appears via the "View Profile" option leading to its other posts, at least using the Google newsreader.
Does NB actually play our game at all? If so, will it reveal its rank?
Climbing a few levels of discourse:
IMHO the exalted role of "turff" aka the Game of Surrounding etc. in the traditional cultures of the Three Home Countries may go far towards explaining their comparatively peaceful historical record WRT matters of religion. Although the Bible commonly honored by the Jews, Christians & Muslims does have some powerful poetry, its notorious subjectivity has long lent itself to abuse by vain patriarchal wannabee theologians who wind up trying to win their arguments with cannons. Turffers OTOH, when confronted with a dickhead claiming to be uniquely inspired by God on High, can easily reply: "Oh, really? See this board & these two piles of stones? Where does God tell you to play in order to win the game?" And thereby rot the pompous preacher's axe with minimal damage to the surrounding forest and its innocent inhabitants.
Will Obomber, Kissinger & their minions ever come to find out that a true court of justice will coldly refuse their "undo" requests for murder charges arising from their wanton bombing of the humble villages of Afghanistan***?
"Vindication" = "justification against denial or censure". ...........................................
* KGS lists a player-name "Brent", unranked, with 1 9 X 9 game. This "Brent Marinello" may be a completely different person from the "Brent" of this thread, as the former's divulgation of his full name indeed suggests.
** Founder and National Chairman of the Christian-Zionist organization Christians United for Israel,
*** See, for example: A) "Tuesday, February 27 2007 - 9/11 Commission Neocon Imperialism, 9/11, and the Attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq By David Ray Griffin"
> On Oct 22, 2:03 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A COMPETITIVE TRIFLE
> >....................
> > Although in millennia of traditional folklore, masters of the profound > > game have a reputation for wisdom, one sometimes notes departures from > > this high level in the actual behavior of players on-line.
> > *************** > > game chat panel Thursday 091022 @10:30 hrs PDT = 17:30 hrz* (*= Zulu = > > UTC = former GMT).
> > "John Hendrick" playing as "jiva" repeatedly requests "undo":
> 15 yard penalty for with hodling information:
> Was he making repeated bad moves that he asked an undos on each > occasion, or did he make a single bad move and ask several times that > you undo that single move?
> Did you snip some info here? I am a bit confused, why did he say thx?
> > jiva [1k]: you don't want to give me an undo for a mis click? > > jiva [1k]: ok... > > jiva [1k]: i'll just sit here and watch porn while you wait for me to > > lose on time then. > > womack [1k]: you mislabel a minor hasty error > > jiva [1k]: nope > > jiva [1k]: my hand was in the wrong area > > jiva [1k]: as soon as i saw your move i accidentally clicked in lower > > right
> To render judgment about who is being unreasonable here, I would have > to see the move that he made. Maybe it was an obvious misclick.
> > jiva [1k]: you can wait for 7 minutes > > jiva [1k]: that's fine > > jiva [1k]: you're winning anyway > > jiva [1k]: i don't see why you want to be an asshole.
> I do not really see any of what he said as being unreasonable if, for > instance, he clicked on the 1-1 point instead of clicking on an > obvious forcing move. I would probably feel the same way. If the time > frame were 10 minutes for 25 moves, and he felt you were being a jerk > (I would have to see the context of the undo to make that call > myself) , then why not use up all the clock?
> > jiva [1k]: but i guess that old man in your picture is an asshole too > > womack [1k]: "Asshole!" cried the turd as it dropped into the toilet > > bowl with a splash. > > jiva [1k]: nice, trying to diffuse the sutation with a funny joke. > > jiva [1k]: i'm sure your Hello Jiva was pure sarcasm, considering your > > present behavior > > womack [1k]: I have captured our convo and may publish it
> man, you need a little grace in your life.
> > jiva [1k]: i'm glad > > womack [1k]: to rec.games.go if you make yourself funny enough, John > > Hendricks
> I will say, given that he did resign the game, that I will probably > avoid playing with you. The resignation is ultimately the primary act > of honor.
> > jiva [1k]: you will be banned from kgs because of your taunting > > womack [1k]: When will that be ? > > jiva [1k]: My name is John Hendrick without the s > > womack [1k]: noed > > womack [1k]: *t > > jiva [1k]: whenever the admins see this convo, they will ban you for > > being rude to me > > jiva [1k]: i'll tell you what > > womack [1k]: Are you in the Pentagon? > > jiva [1k]: why don't you just leave me alone and we'll call it even. > > {resigns} > > **************************************
> This is an embarrassment to both of you. But actually, I think more > to you than to jiva. He is probably still a young male with a little > growing up to do and still has time to do it. You on the other hand , > are running out of time.
> > Had Mr.Hendrick apologized for his rudeness like a gentleman, then > > might I have felt some compunction about publishing this little bit of > > nonsense.
> Wow! You think this is some kind of vindication?
> > KGS games, unless embargoed for some reason, are permanently available > > in the Archives by player-name.
> When my opponent makes a physically clumsy mistake, I grant him the > requested undo or sometimes even initiate it myself, adding the > warning "once only". Errors of judgment OTOH are part of the game and > one is both entitled and supposed to take advantage of such. Indeed, > punishing inferior play = one of the game's basic motifs.
> When I misplace a stone (on-line, of course), then instantly I go into > Emergency Mode, flash to my opponent "TYPO! PLS UNDO!" & hit the undo > button. On the rare occasions when the opponent refuses to allow undo > for an obvious physical slip, then I may resign if the damage > therefrom was too important. Then "censor" the bad sport.
> In the particular case which generated this thread, my opponent "jiva" > 1k was losing --as he confessed in the text and is obvious from the > game record, of which more anon-- when he made a hasty but rational > move in the SE corner @ S3 which cost him a couple of points. > After I had already replied to his error by taking a small ko @ L15 in > the NE corner, he then resorted to multiple "undo" punching. His "thx" > was sarcastic after my definite refusals and was also the first word > he said on the subject.
> Did Nameless "Brent* (henceforth "NB") charge me with "with hodling" > info before himself asking me for it?
The with holding information was the nature of the "multiple" undo requests. I now know that he asked multiple times for the same move he wished to have undone.
I would typically characterize that as asking for a single undo. What ensued was an argument over that one undo.
However you started out saying that he "repeatedly requests undo"
I personally just interpret that as a wee little bit of spin.
> In the originating post I already pointed out that: "KGS games, unless > embargoed for some reason, are permanently available > in the Archives by player-name."
> Now come to find out that the Archives also preserve the record of the > Game Chat Panel, which anyone including NB can easily check for > herself --or himself or, in the case of the nameless, itself.
> My impression of this game = after losing a decisive group, "jiva" was > acting like a spoiled brat, looking for an excuse > to cover up his defeat, at least in his own mind.
Perhaps. But my impression is that he resigned the game and you then come here to try to -------- fill in blank ---------------him. (I use fill in the blank, because I am not quite sure what you exactly are trying to do, but in some way you are trying to punish him, it seems)
> His perverse whining > & ridiculous threats against me flesh out this picture.
And your even more perverse action of posting this here gives him some degree of credibility.
> After a > moment's reflection on my direct rebuttal, jiva did come to his senses > enough to resign the game and to make a halfhearted gesture to "call > it even".
Which you could not permit?
>Which is more than can be said for our subsequent > commentator NB, who came along in cold blood,
would this be the same degree of cold blood that Israel goes into Palestine. Is this how I am to interpret things like "cold blood" from you?
-------Gotta go now, spent enough time on this post anyhow
> with unlimited time for > reflection on the published & recommended record --did he but choose > to avail himself thereof-- and fecklessly tried to render judgment > against me for my simple narrative.
> NB seems to be running for the title of the Snot-Nosed Kid, if I may > say so gracefully. While it would be wrong to say that all Christians > are fools, NB's sorry example does serve to remind us that many fools > call themselves Christians --as if, after Pope Ratzo, Pat Robertson, > John Hagee** and that whole bent lot of bloody-handed Bible-thumpers, > we really needed any such reinforcement. BTW NB's self-proclaimed > "Christian" I.D. appears via the "View Profile" option leading to its > other posts, at least using the Google newsreader.
> Does NB actually play our game at all? If so, will it reveal its > rank?
> Climbing a few levels of discourse:
> IMHO the exalted role of "turff" aka the Game of Surrounding etc. in > the traditional cultures of the Three Home Countries may go far > towards explaining their comparatively peaceful historical record WRT > matters of religion. Although the Bible commonly honored by the Jews, > Christians & Muslims does have some powerful poetry, its notorious > subjectivity has long lent itself to abuse by vain patriarchal > wannabee theologians who wind up trying to win their arguments with > cannons. Turffers OTOH, when confronted with a dickhead claiming to be > uniquely inspired by God on High, can easily reply: "Oh, really? See > this board & these two piles of stones? Where does God tell you to > play in order to win the game?" And thereby rot the pompous preacher's > axe with minimal damage to the surrounding forest and its innocent > inhabitants.
> Will Obomber, Kissinger & their minions ever come to find out that a > true court of justice will coldly refuse their "undo" requests for > murder charges arising from their wanton bombing of the humble > villages of Afghanistan***?
> "Vindication" = "justification against denial or censure". > ...........................................
> * KGS lists a player-name "Brent", unranked, with 1 9 X 9 > game. This "Brent Marinello" may be a completely different person from > the "Brent" of this thread, as the former's divulgation of his full > name indeed suggests.
> ** Founder and National Chairman of the Christian-Zionist organization > Christians United for Israel,
> *** See, for example: > A) "Tuesday, February 27 2007 - 9/11 Commission > Neocon Imperialism, 9/11, and the Attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq > By David Ray Griffin"
> ------------------------------- > On Oct 23, 8:02 pm, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 22, 2:03 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > A COMPETITIVE TRIFLE
> > >....................
> > > Although in millennia of traditional folklore, masters of the profound > > > game have a reputation for wisdom, one sometimes notes departures from > > > this high level in the actual behavior of players on-line.
> > > *************** > > > game chat panel Thursday 091022 @10:30 hrs PDT = 17:30 hrz* (*= Zulu = > > > UTC = former GMT).
> > > "John Hendrick" playing as "jiva" repeatedly requests "undo":
> > 15 yard penalty for with hodling information:
> > Was he making repeated bad moves that he asked an undos on each > > occasion, or did he make a single bad move and ask several times that > > you undo that single move?
> > Did you snip some info here? I am a bit confused, why did he say thx?
> > > jiva [1k]: you don't want to give me an undo for a mis click? > > > jiva [1k]: ok... > > > jiva [1k]: i'll just sit here and watch porn while you wait for me to > > > lose on time then. > > > womack [1k]: you mislabel a minor hasty error > > > jiva [1k]: nope > > > jiva [1k]: my hand was in the wrong area > > > jiva [1k]: as soon as i saw your move i accidentally clicked in lower > > > right
> > To render judgment about who is being unreasonable here, I would have > > to see the move that he made. Maybe it was an obvious misclick.
> > > jiva [1k]: you can wait for 7 minutes > > > jiva [1k]: that's fine > > > jiva [1k]: you're winning anyway > > > jiva [1k]: i don't see why you want to be an asshole.
> > I do not really see any of what he said as being unreasonable if, for > > instance, he clicked on the 1-1 point instead of clicking on an > > obvious forcing move. I would probably feel the same way. If the time > > frame were 10 minutes for 25 moves, and he felt you were being a jerk > > (I would have to see the context of the undo to make that call > > myself) , then why not use up all the clock?
> > > jiva [1k]: but i guess that old man in your picture is an asshole too > > > womack [1k]: "Asshole!" cried the turd as it dropped into the toilet > > > bowl with a splash. > > > jiva [1k]: nice, trying to diffuse the sutation with a funny joke. > > > jiva [1k]: i'm sure your Hello Jiva was pure sarcasm, considering your > > > present behavior > > > womack [1k]: I have captured our convo and may publish it
> > man, you need a little grace in your life.
> > > jiva [1k]: i'm glad > > > womack [1k]: to rec.games.go if you make yourself funny enough, John > > > Hendricks
> > I will say, given that he did resign the game, that I will probably > > avoid playing with you. The resignation is ultimately the primary act > > of honor.
> > > jiva [1k]: you will be banned from kgs because of your taunting > > > womack [1k]: When will that be ? > > > jiva [1k]: My name is John Hendrick without the s > > > womack [1k]: noed > > > womack [1k]: *t > > > jiva [1k]: whenever the admins see this convo, they will ban you for > > > being rude to me > > > jiva [1k]: i'll tell you what > > > womack [1k]: Are you in the Pentagon? > > > jiva [1k]: why don't you just leave me alone and we'll call it even. > > > {resigns} > > > **************************************
> > This is an embarrassment to both of you. But actually, I think more > > to you than to jiva. He is probably still a young male with a little > > growing up to do and still has time to do it. You on the other hand , > > are running out of time.
> > > Had Mr.Hendrick apologized for his rudeness like a gentleman, then > > > might I have felt some compunction about
"Does NB actually play our game at all? If so, will it reveal its rank?"
Now it has returned to make five arguments, all of them utterly without merit, while failing to answer two simple, direct, pertinent questions. Does this shamefaced behavior call to mind the image of a cat on a tin roof furiously trying to hide its shit by scratching?
In its last remark NB fleetingly suggests that on big issues it sides with justice rather than with the despotism of war criminals like Kissinger, Obama, Clinton, McChrystal & Kabal. Since 1994, as even Google's spotty record shows, I have posted thousands of articles on this great issue of our age. To judge by the frenzied reaction thereby provoked among guilty parties, perhaps they have even had some effect. Again, will NB surprise us by frankly stating its position like an honest man, or woman, or whatever it may be?
The decadent clique desperately hanging on to the reigns of power over JAPE* brazenly threatens our whole race with annihilation and any particular individual with menaces ranging from slander campaigns to financial destruction to kidnapping, torture & assassination. Every single day the Jewish fanatics a la Sulzbergerz and their _goyishe_ high tech** mercenaries a la Obomber are slaying innocents and likewise scores of thousands are daily dying miserably of what I have nicknamed "nickels", i.e. from the social disease of poverty, the want of a few coins to keep together body and soul. Meanwhile the utterly corrupt Demublicans keep shoveling $ trillions to billionaire banksters***
Those who dare to stand up and address the solution of these most grave problems thereby qualify ourselves, if I may say so, as the emerging leaders of the impending third age of our species, after the childhood of the tribe and the parlous adolescence of civilization.
Vo Nguyen Giap, Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hu Jintao, Cynthia McKinney, Paul Craig Roberts, Michael Collins Piper, Evo Morales and other brave spirits from the 'hood will be be joining sympathetic souls for a pot-luck later this Fall.
> The with holding information was the nature of the "multiple" undo > requests. > I now know that he asked multiple times for the same move he wished to > have undone.
> I would typically characterize that as asking for a single undo. What > ensued was an argument over that one undo.
> However you started out saying that he "repeatedly requests undo"
> I personally just interpret that as a wee little bit of spin.
As the drunken snake said, wrapping itself around the stop sign.
2.)
> > My impression of this game = after losing a decisive group, "jiva" was > > acting like a spoiled brat, looking for an excuse > > to cover up his defeat, at least in his own mind.
> Perhaps. But my impression is that he resigned the game and you then > come here to try to -------- fill in blank ---------------him. (I > use fill in the blank, because I am not quite sure what you exactly > are trying to do, but in some way you are trying to punish him, it > seems)
What sort of person complains when his already public remarks are further circulated? "You can quote me." {Aside: In fact and in all due modesty, you could hardly do better.}
3.)
> > His perverse whining > > & ridiculous threats against me flesh out this picture.
> And your even more perverse action of posting this here gives him some > degree of credibility.
NB one of that sort who considers anyone else talking as an affront to its own privilege? Such a mental affliction quite common within the diseased bubble of OPS or the Official Propaganda System.
4.)
> > After a > > moment's reflection on my direct rebuttal, jiva did come to his senses > > enough to resign the game and to make a halfhearted gesture to "call > > it even".
> Which you could not permit?
I call it the way it is by publishing the record. Simple, eh what?
5.)
> >Which is more than can be said for our subsequent > > commentator NB, who came along in cold blood,
> would this be the same degree of cold blood that Israel goes into > Palestine. Is this how I am to interpret things like "cold blood" > from you?
6.) Does NB here wish to insinuate that it, like Dianne Feinstein, also had an active role in the Gaza Massacre?
> -------Gotta go now, spent enough time on this post
7.) Said the student heedlessly, flunking out of the classroom where there test had been held.
On Oct 24, 8:27 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In my last post, I asked:
> "Does NB actually play our game at all? If so, will it reveal its > rank?"
I do not know why whether I play the game has anything to do with this . I do play, I am not very good, but that does not matter. I am not a 3d , but one does not have moral authority based on their go playing rank. LOL!
You are the one who brought this silly thing to this group. LOL!
> Now it has returned to make five arguments, all of them utterly > without merit, while failing to answer two simple, direct, pertinent > questions. Does this shamefaced behavior call to mind the image of a > cat on a tin roof furiously trying to hide its shit by scratching?
I am not going to "argue" about your silliness. I am already convinced. LOL!
> In its last remark NB fleetingly suggests that on big issues it sides > with justice rather than with the despotism of war criminals like > Kissinger, Obama, Clinton, McChrystal & Kabal. Since 1994, as even > Google's spotty record shows, I have posted thousands of articles on > this great issue of our age.
Yes you have. And you completely trivialize everything you say by calling my post "cold blooded".
Let's see, Killing 23 Palestinians is Horrific, posting a disagreement about hals post is "cold blooded" . Dude - you just completely trivialized all your arguments about justice by calling a silly comment to your thread "cold blooded" Aren't those the kind of words that should be reserved for the Jews? LOL!
> To judge by the frenzied reaction thereby > provoked among guilty parties, perhaps they have even had some effect. > Again, will NB surprise us by frankly stating its position like an > honest man, or woman, or whatever it may be?
OK - my position is that your thread is silly and petty. I will not seek you out to play a game with me on KGS for fear that I will be the subject of a thread on rec.games.go. (I'd hate to think about what you might post about me if I beat you)
That is my position - and I am sticking with it. LOL!
> The decadent clique desperately hanging on to the reigns of power >over > JAPE* brazenly threatens our whole race with annihilation and any > particular individual with menaces ranging from slander campaigns to > financial destruction to kidnapping, torture & assassination.
Cut the verbiage, I am not a highly intelligent guy from an ivy league school.
> Every > single day the Jewish fanatics a la Sulzbergerz and their _goyishe_ > high tech** mercenaries a la Obomber are slaying innocents and > likewise scores of thousands are daily dying miserably
Are they dying "in cold blood" ?
> of what I have > nicknamed "nickels", i.e. from the social disease of poverty, the want > of a few coins to keep together body and soul. Meanwhile the utterly > corrupt Demublicans keep shoveling $ trillions to billionaire > banksters***
> Those who dare to stand up and address the solution of these most > grave problems thereby qualify ourselves,
You dare to stand up to these injustices, plus the injustices of being asked for an unreasonable undo on KGS. LOL!
> if I may say so, as the > emerging leaders of the impending third age of our species, after the > childhood of the tribe and the parlous adolescence of > civilization.
> Vo Nguyen Giap, Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hu Jintao, Cynthia > McKinney, Paul Craig Roberts, Michael Collins Piper, Evo Morales and > other brave spirits from the 'hood will be be joining sympathetic > souls for a pot-luck later this Fall.
> 7.) Said the student heedlessly, flunking out of the classroom where > there test had been held.
The teacher just flunked me out of his class. Then I went out in the real world , got a job, earned money and realized how full of crap most of my teachers were.
Taking inspiration from entomologists who learn their science in part by dissecting bugs, let us turn to the case of Usenet poster Nameless Brent or "NB", who does at least exhibit the trait of persistence, from whatever motive.
Under repeated questioning, NB claims to play the game but refuses to reveal its rank, except for confessing that "it's not very good" and then immediately asserting "but that does not matter". In its first post, however, NB had written: "I will probably avoid playing with you". NB apparently fails to realize that in turff (or _baduk_ or the game of surrounding) rank does indeed matter, just as money matters when one is doing business. NB "will probably avoid playing" _wei chi_ with me and also "will probably avoid playing" tennis with Roger Federer. Although NB talks like a fool, this may be but a knave's disguise, which's a very ancient trick.
Parsing NB's cackle, we come to: "Let's see, Killing 23 Palestinians is Horrific, posting a disagreement about hals post is "cold blooded" . Dude - you just completely trivialized all your arguments about justice by calling a silly comment to your thread "cold blooded" Aren't those the kind of words that should be reserved for the Jews? LOL!"
Does the Gentle Reader get the feeling the NB is really laughing at the Jews' murder of the Rabbo girls and the 300 other children similarly slaughtered during the Gaza Massacre? If so, then NB is braying because we honorable people of Earth have yet to arrest it & its bosses. So, yes, we decent folk do have a lot of unfinished business and until we complete it then NB, Tom Friedman & that whole pack of lying, thieving kiddie-killers will keep on yuckingitup, many of them on the air, others here on the Usenet.
NB is elucidating for us that my description of it as "cold blooded" is even truer than first appeared. Turff players get passionate about games in which we are involved. It is common lore than observing rather than playing any given game increases one's strength by about 2 stones, precisely because the on-looker is cooler about the contest. So while my opponent "jiva", a genuine player, was reacting under pressure of the _agony_ of competition --BTW the origin of that Greek word-- NB came along afterwards in comparatively "cold blood" in a minor sense. But as it scrabbles onward, NB reveals both its "hidden beef" with me, as they say in the slammer and the far more sinister meaning of the chill sanguinary phrase.
NB is playing the game of _hasbara_ or "lies for the _goyim_" on behalf of the steam roller that crushed Rachel Corrie and millions of other innocents. From the very beginning, NB's feeble attempt to criticize my post was a mere pretext of a hissing clique.
NB writes "Then I went out in the real world , got a job, earned money" --as a hired shelf-talker for AIPAC?
Awkwardly trying for the common touch, NB writes: "Cut the verbiage, I am not a highly intelligent guy from an ivy league school." Let me give this wraith some cold consolation: It's in the same boat with old Henry Kissinger, who at least is from an 'Ivy League school'. Maybe NB can take a leaf from Hank's book?
NB six times repeats its "LOL". What's this obsession with mock merriment? Whistling "_Hatikvah_" as it shambles past the graveyard to its doom?
--------------------- On Oct 24, 5:57 pm, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 8:27 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:> In my last post, I asked:
> > "Does NB actually play our game at all? If so, will it reveal its > > rank?"
> I do not know why whether I play the game has anything to do with > this . I do play, I am not very good, but that does not matter. I am > not a 3d , but one does not have moral authority based on their go > playing rank. LOL!
> You are the one who brought this silly thing to this group. LOL!
> > Now it has returned to make five arguments, all of them utterly > > without merit, while failing to answer two simple, direct, pertinent > > questions. Does this shamefaced behavior call to mind the image of a > > cat on a tin roof furiously trying to hide its shit by scratching?
> I am not going to "argue" about your silliness. I am already > convinced. LOL!
> > In its last remark NB fleetingly suggests that on big issues it sides > > with justice rather than with the despotism of war criminals like > > Kissinger, Obama, Clinton, McChrystal & Kabal. Since 1994, as even > > Google's spotty record shows, I have posted thousands of articles on > > this great issue of our age.
> Yes you have. And you completely trivialize everything you say by > calling my post > "cold blooded".
> Let's see, Killing 23 Palestinians is Horrific, posting a disagreement > about hals post is "cold blooded" . Dude - you just completely > trivialized all your arguments about justice by calling a silly > comment to your thread "cold blooded" Aren't those the kind of words > that should be reserved for the Jews? LOL!
> > To judge by the frenzied reaction thereby > > provoked among guilty parties, perhaps they have even had some effect. > > Again, will NB surprise us by frankly stating its position like an > > honest man, or woman, or whatever it may be?
> OK - my position is that your thread is silly and petty. I will not > seek you out to play a game with me on KGS for fear that I will be the > subject of a thread on rec.games.go. (I'd hate to think about what you > might post about me if I beat you)
> That is my position - and I am sticking with it. LOL!
> > The decadent clique desperately hanging on to the reigns of power > >over > > JAPE* brazenly threatens our whole race with annihilation and any > > particular individual with menaces ranging from slander campaigns to > > financial destruction to kidnapping, torture & assassination.
> Cut the verbiage, I am not a highly intelligent guy from an ivy league > school.
> > Every > > single day the Jewish fanatics a la Sulzbergerz and their _goyishe_ > > high tech** mercenaries a la Obomber are slaying innocents and > > likewise scores of thousands are daily dying miserably
> Are they dying "in cold blood" ?
> > of what I have > > nicknamed "nickels", i.e. from the social disease of poverty, the want > > of a few coins to keep together body and soul. Meanwhile the utterly > > corrupt Demublicans keep shoveling $ trillions to billionaire > > banksters***
> > Those who dare to stand up and address the solution of these most > > grave problems thereby qualify ourselves,
> You dare to stand up to these injustices, plus the injustices of being > asked for an unreasonable undo on KGS. LOL!
> > if I may say so, as the > > emerging leaders of the impending third age of our species, after the > > childhood of the tribe and the parlous adolescence of > > civilization.
> > Vo Nguyen Giap, Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hu Jintao, Cynthia > > McKinney, Paul Craig Roberts, Michael Collins Piper, Evo Morales and > > other brave spirits from the 'hood will be be joining sympathetic > > souls for a pot-luck later this Fall.
> > 7.) Said the student heedlessly, flunking out of the classroom where > > there test had been held.
> The teacher just flunked me out of his class. Then I went out in the > real world , got a job, earned money and realized how full of crap > most of my teachers were.
On Oct 24, 10:38 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So while > my opponent "jiva", a genuine player, was reacting under pressure of > the _agony_ of competition --BTW the origin of that Greek word-- NB > came along afterwards in comparatively "cold blood" in a minor sense.
I have succeeded in my mission here Hal. You now realize that jiva was reacting under the pressure of the competition. Too bad you had to take this unfortunate experience and create a silly post to rec.games.go to try to somehow punish this person.
At last Nameless "Brent" and I agree: Given that, as it has tacitly admitted, it's motive was to collect payment from its AIPAC Net propaganda master for yakking it up against an honest man, then NB has in its words "succeeded in my mission", provided only that its check does clear.
In the difficult arena of the Usenet, NB babbles for its blood shekels, just as the Talking Heads of Fox do in their MegaBubbles, presumably at a far higher rate.
Lerts can add this item to their files of psywar antics by Kissinger's Kosher Kabal of Kiddie Killers.
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On Oct 24, 8:00 pm, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 10:38 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So while > > my opponent "jiva", a genuine player, was reacting under pressure of > > the _agony_ of competition --BTW the origin of that Greek word-- NB > > came along afterwards in comparatively "cold blood" in a minor sense.
> I have succeeded in my mission here Hal. You now realize that jiva > was reacting under the pressure of the competition. Too bad you had to > take this unfortunate experience and create a silly post to > rec.games.go to try to somehow punish this person.
> Bye
NB's so stuck on the notion of "punishment" 'cause that was its assigned task against me as a well known Net writer for justice. Even though it failed glaringly in that respect, there's still the cash in its pocket, eh what? Shades of Rush Limbaugh crossed with Uriah Heep....
In article <0735bb6d-1fb7-4879-8b62-41318d23b1f2 @x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hal.wom...@gmail.com says...
> Under repeated questioning, NB claims to play the game but refuses to > reveal its rank, except for confessing that "it's > not very good" and then immediately asserting "but that does not > matter". In its first post, however, NB had written: > "I will probably avoid playing with you". NB apparently fails to > realize that in turff (or _baduk_ or the game of surrounding) rank > does indeed matter, just as money matters when one is doing business. > NB "will probably avoid playing" _wei chi_ with me and also "will > probably avoid playing" tennis with Roger Federer.
Maybe I shouldn't stick my neck into this but your 3d rank is probably more comparable with that of a 'good' local tennis-club player than it is with that of Roger Federer.
The now disappeared "NB" entered this thread 4 times with the objective of challenging, in its own words, my "moral authority". NB one of a swarm of hired Jewish propagandists on the Usenet who are assigned to damage control against the reaction of normal people alias "gentiles" to the Net-news exposures of King Kissingerz' Kosher Kabal of Kiddie Killers aka K6. From the Gaza Massacre to Goldman Sachs MegaLooting and all that sort of thing, you know.
Since 1994 I have published 1000's of articles focussed mainly on huge atrocities by DICTATA*, such as the deliberate destruction of the occupied nations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Hence K6 is programmed to heckle me at every opportunity. Like flies attacking a swatter, actually.
One also notices a systematic attempt to degrade the Usenet by spamming, in order to discourage the development of sincere conversations. One fine day perhaps the genuine voices of authority on the Net will jine up to create our own newsgroup troika of an open, a moderated and a registered variation of the same title, e.g. alt.world.justice ==> a.w.j.mod,a.w.j.reg . The last of the three would require only slightly more management. My nominees for such an effort, as often praised before, include: Paul Craig Roberts, Michael Collins Piper, Cynthia McKinney, Francis Boyle, Franklin Lamb, Alison Weir, Jennifer Harbury, David Ray Griffin, David Irving, Ernesto Cienfuegos, Ross Gandy, James Petras and Israel Shamir.
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* = The "D.C. -- Tel Aviv Terrorist Alliance".
======================= On Oct 26, 2:29 pm, mike <m....@irl.cri.replacethiswithnz> wrote:
> In article <0735bb6d-1fb7-4879-8b62-41318d23b1f2 > @x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hal.wom...@gmail.com says... > > Under repeated questioning, NB claims to play the game but refuses to > > reveal its rank, except for confessing that "it's > > not very good" and then immediately asserting "but that does not > > matter". In its first post, however, NB had written: > > "I will probably avoid playing with you". NB apparently fails to > > realize that in turff (or _baduk_ or the game of surrounding) rank > > does indeed matter, just as money matters when one is doing business. > > NB "will probably avoid playing" _wei chi_ with me and also "will > > probably avoid playing" tennis with Roger Federer.
> Maybe I shouldn't stick my neck into this but your 3d rank is probably > more comparable with that of a 'good' local tennis-club player than it > is with that of Roger Federer.
> Mike
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"Mike"s quite right about that point of comparison, of course. NB's chances of playing either one of us are about the same, however, similar to his chances of being able to jump up & touch either the moon or the sun with its fingers, even though the former's so much closer.
The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), http://www.pacbi.org/
A.) On Thursday, the 8th of June 1967, Jews murder 34 US sailors in order to show Pentagon brass who's running the show after the ride through Dealey Plaza fours years before: http://www.ussliberty.org/
WIKI: "Subsequent to his acquittal, Captain R., was promoted to the rank of major. In March 2006, he received 82,000 New Israel Shekels (roughly $17,000) to compensate him for his defense expenditures and time spent in jail.Captain R. also filed a libel suit against Dayan and Channel 2."
**** B.) Flying Trapeze Aerial Voltige http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPWJc8sLhjo The more often one watches the greatest 4'21" of human high jinks ever on tape, the bester it gets. Flow ye tears of joy, the sheriff said.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.} http://www.biblegateway.com/
"Who is your God?" Song video by Desert Rose; recommended by Cynthia McKinney, with only 116 YouTube views as of 091015 but good for clearing the sinuses:
30.) Here's the link to what I wrote on the eve of SonnaBush's (fronting for Aerial Shaboom) invasion of Iraq: http://tinyurl.com/2xcvdo
(The tag end of the piece was stuck on rather roughly by the HANDSTAND editor & could profit from a bit of pruning.)
If any reader can find another article from that critical moment which has better stood the test of time, will she please be so kind as to tell me about it? ...........................................................................
> In article <0735bb6d-1fb7-4879-8b62-41318d23b1f2 > @x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hal.wom...@gmail.com says...
> > Under repeated questioning, NB claims to play the game but refuses to > > reveal its rank, except for confessing that "it's > > not very good" and then immediately asserting "but that does not > > matter". In its first post, however, NB had written: > > "I will probably avoid playing with you". NB apparently fails to > > realize that in turff (or _baduk_ or the game of surrounding) rank > > does indeed matter, just as money matters when one is doing business. > > NB "will probably avoid playing" _wei chi_ with me and also "will > > probably avoid playing" tennis with Roger Federer.
> Maybe I shouldn't stick my neck into this but your 3d rank is probably > more comparable with that of a 'good' local tennis-club player than it > is with that of Roger Federer.
> Mike
From what I can see, a 3dan AGA rank probably would lose to a top professional level player with a 9 stone handicap about 80% of the time.
> On Oct 26, 4:29 pm, mike <m....@irl.cri.replacethiswithnz> wrote: > > In article <0735bb6d-1fb7-4879-8b62-41318d23b1f2 > > @x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hal.wom...@gmail.com says...
> > > Under repeated questioning, NB claims to play the game but refuses to > > > reveal its rank, except for confessing that "it's > > > not very good" and then immediately asserting "but that does not > > > matter". In its first post, however, NB had written: > > > "I will probably avoid playing with you". NB apparently fails to > > > realize that in turff (or _baduk_ or the game of surrounding) rank > > > does indeed matter, just as money matters when one is doing business. > > > NB "will probably avoid playing" _wei chi_ with me and also "will > > > probably avoid playing" tennis with Roger Federer.
> > Maybe I shouldn't stick my neck into this but your 3d rank is probably > > more comparable with that of a 'good' local tennis-club player than it > > is with that of Roger Federer.
> > Mike
> From what I can see, a 3dan AGA rank probably would lose to a top > professional level player with a 9 stone handicap about 80% of the > time.
> That is not really all that good.
Which is why I used the little "'" marks around the word. As well as an unfortunate view of the world in general, the 3D player in question appears to have a somewhat overrated image of his/her position/status in the go world.
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