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da pickle nospam  
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 More options 10 Nov, 01:17
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From: "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:17:17 -0600
Local: Tues 10 Nov 2009 01:17
Subject: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
Is this a fair and balanced assessment?

Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
We mustn't jump to conclusions--but neither should we go astray for fear of
reaching them.

"We don't know all the answers yet," the Associated Press quotes President
Obama as saying Friday about the Fort Hood massacre. "And I would caution
against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts."

Not only is the president right, his advice is tautological. Premature
judgment is ill-advised by definition. But one senses in much of the
commentary about suspect Nidal Malik Hasan a desire to avoid considered
judgment as well--not just a reluctance to jump to conclusions, but a drive
to go far out of one's way to avoid ever reaching one particular conclusion.

"It is unclear what might have motivated Major Hasan," the New York Times
reports this morning. "He seems to have been influenced by a mixture of
political, religious and psychological factors." A Times story yesterday
suggested that Hasan was driven crazy by the stress of his job as a
psychiatrist:

"Major Hasan's motives are still being investigated. But those who work day
in and day out treating the psychological wounds of the country's warriors
say Thursday's rampage has put a spotlight on the strains of their
profession and of the patients they treat. . . .

"Many military [mental health] professionals, meanwhile, describe crushing
schedules with 10 or more patients a day, most struggling with devastating
trauma or mutilated bodies that are the product of war and the highly
advanced care that kept them alive.

"Some of those hired to heal others end up needing help themselves. Some go
home at night too depressed to talk to their children. Others, like Bret A.
Moore, a former Army psychologist at Fort Hood, ultimately quit."

That's informative, isn't it? Some, some and others, respectively, do
something, something else and another thing. It occurs to us, though, that
only one military psychiatrist is alleged to have committed mass murder. Is
there anything else might set him apart from his peers?

Here's one clue, from London's Guardian: The gunman "allegedly shouted
'Allahu Akbar,' or 'God is greatest,' as he opened fire." The paper's
Michael Tomasky helpfully explains:

"The fact that Hassan reportedly shouted the above is meant, I suppose, to
imply that he was an extremist fanatic.

"I'm not sure that it does. My understanding is that it's something Arab
people often shout before doing something or other."

So, to recap: Some end up needing help. Some go home depressed. Others quit.
Still others do something or other! And if they're Arab, they "often shout,"
according to Tomasky. But although we do not wish to jump to conclusions, we
should point out that they do not often shoot dozens of people, and that
doing so could be taken as evidence of being an "extremist fanatic."

Here's another straw in the wind, from London's Daily Telegraph:

"Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual
adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

"Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas,
attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in
2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday
Telegraph has learnt . . . .

"The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni
scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in
August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and
backing terrorist organizations.

"Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's
teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in
Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree."

The Middle East Media Research Institute last month excerpted a blog post
from al-Awlaki's Web site in which he cheerleads for America's enemies:

"America failed to defeat the mujahedeen when it gave its president
unlimited support, how can it win with Obama who is on a short leash? If
America failed to win when it was at its pinnacle of economic strength, how
can it win today with a recession--if not a depression--at hand?

"The simple answer is: America cannot and will not win. The tables have
turned and there is no rolling back of the worldwide Jihad movement."

Today al-Awlaki has a post titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing":

"Nidal Hassan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living
the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting
against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush
aside and just pretend that it doesn't exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live,
understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow
Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against
terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam."

The Sunday Telegraph reports that Hasan "once gave a lecture to other
doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling
oil poured down their throats":

"He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims
were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came
during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in
front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in
Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in
July . . . .

"Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan
about religion and that he openly claimed to be a 'Muslim first and American
second.'

"One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory
against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal
complaints."

In light of all this, consider the following insight from Susan Campbell of
the Hartford Courant:

"Much has and will be made of [Hasan's] religion from people too ignorant to
read a Qur'an, or too isolated to talk to a Muslim, or too stubborn to
educate themselves. Even the Washington Post calls him a "devout Muslim."
But can a "devout Muslim" commit such acts? No more than a "devout
Christian" can, no."

In fairness to Campbell, she posted this on Friday, before much of the above
information had been published. Still, it seems fair to ask: Just who is
jumping to conclusions?

At the root of this sort of denial is a fear of anti-Muslim backlash--not an
unreasonable worry, as Forbes.com's Tunku Varadarajan argues:

"Muslims are the most difficult "incomers" in the ongoing integration
challenge, which America has always handled with pride--and a kind of
swagger. We're the salad bowl/melting pot. Drive through Queens to see how
we do this.

"America differentiates itself on integration from Western European
countries, which are far more cringing and guilt-driven in their approach.
But can the American swagger persist if many Americans come genuinely to
view Muslims as Fifth Columnists? The integration compact depends on a broad
trust that the immigrant's desire to be American can happily co-exist with
his other forms of racial/cultural/religious identity. Once that trust
doesn't exist, America faces a problem in need of urgent resolution.

"Have we reached that point of breakdown in trust? Not yet, I think, and not
by some distance; but a few more murderous incidents of the Maj. Hasan
variety--a few more shouts of "Allahu Akbar" as Americans are shot
dead--will push many Americans on to a dangerous cusp."

Some are there already: Since the Fort Hood massacre, this columnist has
heard more than one acquaintance make invidious anti-Muslim generalizations.

But Susan Campbell-style denial is merely the mirror image of such
prejudice. It is as stupid to exonerate "Islam" for crimes committed in the
name of Islamic supremacy as it is to issue a blanket condemnation of the
faith or its adherents. It's a pointless argument in which each side's
ignorance serves mainly to inflame the other's.

Preventing future such attacks will require a vigilance that was lacking
among the officers who reportedly feared "appearing discriminatory against a
Muslim soldier." Servicemen will need to understand the difference between
vigilance and being discriminatory--a distinction with which too many
journalists seem to have difficulty.

Complete citations in the original.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870440240457452552088285...


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 More options 10 Nov, 01:26
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From: Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:26:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues 10 Nov 2009 01:26
Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Nov 10, 9:17 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:

But remember, Islam is a religion of peace.

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 More options 10 Nov, 03:26
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From: FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:26:44 -0600
Local: Tues 10 Nov 2009 03:26
Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:26:49 -0800 (PST), Alim Nassor

<alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 10, 9:17 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Is this a fair and balanced assessment?

>> Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
>> We mustn't jump to conclusions--but neither should we go astray for fear of
>> reaching them.

>> "We don't know all the answers yet," the Associated Press quotes President
>> Obama as saying Friday about the Fort Hood massacre. "And I would caution
>> against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts."

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Here is a roundup of media accounts, trying to imagine how and why
this happened.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/

NEWSWEEK

Nidal "Gary" Hassan - All-American boy haunted by memories of Gitmo,
'Nam, Hiroshima

INEVITABLY, ANOTHER SOLDIER SNAPS

Distraught pacifist conscientious objector tormented by horrors of
war, as far as you know
Newsroom experts: stress, violence, stupidity, tragedy a way of life
for GIs
Former M*A*S*H stars say it's finally time to disarm the military

Hollywood insiders: Sean Penn early favorite for lead in planned
Oliver Stone biopic

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LOS ANGELES TIMES

Nidal Hassan - not a fan of taxes

Fort Hood: Another Black Eye For Teabagger Movement

Connecting the dots: 2006-8 Tax returns show anti-government extremist
carefully itemized deductions
Like many Town Hall protesters, Hassan motivated by rage, pattern
baldness
Phone records: suspect tried to join Hair Club for Men
Tearful Pelosi pushes Congress for Government takeover of Tea Party
movement

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MSNBC

Investigation: Ft. Hood Killer Had Access to Fox, Talk Radio,
Right-Wing Blogs

Receipts show killer's apartment had cable
'03 Nissan registered to Hassan had AM radio
Sources: Despite 17 citations as Countdown's 'Worst Person In The
World,' FBI failed to detain Limbaugh
Defiant Palin rejects calls to apologize

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THE WASHINGTON POST

Reverend Nidal Hassan say Gimme that Old Time Religion

Fundamentalist Religion Seen As Motive in Ft. Hood Massacre

Devout churchgoer evangelized conservative views
Shooter's former Virginia home was mere hours from Jerry Falwell
compound
What did Tilton, Swaggert, Osteen know?

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CNN

Hassan: owned GameStop member card

Did Violent Video Games, Rap Lyrics Drive Killing Spree?

Video: Grand Theft Auto, Super Mario Cart remain on shelf at Fort Hood
PX
Lil' Wayne goes One-on-One with Wolf Blitzer
Larry King Live Special tragedy coverage with panelists Nancy Grace,
David Hasselhoff, Joan Collins

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NPR

No Country For Old Men

From Fort Hood to Waco to Dealey Plaza to Bush Compound, death is a
way of life in the Lone Star State
Statistic: Texas still lags in access to public broadcasting
Download Morning Edition's exclusive in-depth podcast, complete with
mournful banjo dirge interlude

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These journalists will get to the real truth in no time at all.


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 More options 10 Nov, 03:54
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From: Bryan Kimmes <slikwil...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:54:31 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Nov 9, 7:17 pm, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:

> Is this a fair and balanced assessment?

Change the title to "Petroleum, Denial and Fort Hood".

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 More options 10 Nov, 04:05
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From: "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:05:06 -0800
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Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Nov 9 2009 6:17 PM, da pickle wrote:

> The Sunday Telegraph reports that Hasan "once gave a lecture to other
> doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling
> oil poured down their throats":

> "He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims
> were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came
> during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in
> front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in
> Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in
> July . . . .
> "One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory
> against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal
> complaints."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870440240457452552088285...

Sorry, but I find the above completely incredible. If anything like this
had occurred in my prescence I would have made sure something was done
about it or raised a high, holy stink trying.

Maybe a lot of people here should consider wondering about the accuracy of
all the quite prompt news reportage.

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 More options 10 Nov, 05:18
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From: "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:18:12 -0800
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Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Nov 9 2009 11:54 PM, Bryan Kimmes wrote:

> On Nov 9, 7:17 pm, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Is this a fair and balanced assessment?

> Change the title to "Petroleum, Denial and Fort Hood".

The real title should be "Rush to Whitewash at Ft. Hood".   This was a
terrorist attack by a radical muslim on American soil.  He murdered 13
American soldiers and wounded 30+ others.
The guy has a repeated history of defending suicide bombers, he sent
radical anti-American E-mails and messages.  His fellow officers knew he
was a radical but were too afraid to report him because criticizing a
muslim could have damaged or ended their own careers.  It is political
correctness taken to the level of pure insanity.  We have a President who
won.'t even say the words "muslim terrorist" as our soldiers bury their
dead and treat their wounded.  And what does the American general in
charge fear most?  That there might be a back lash against muslims.  This
whole incident is a disgrace and again demonstrates what a weak,
indecisive and ineffective commander in chief Obama really is.

BTW, I love the line Susan posted.  "President Obama has decided to commit
40,000 more troops to the war - against Fox News.

Irish Mike

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 More options 10 Nov, 06:02
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:02:49 -0800
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Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Nov 9 2009 8:17 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni
> scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in
> August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and
> backing terrorist organizations.

And thus the newest Muslim boogeyman is born.

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 More options 10 Nov, 23:11
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From: FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:11:40 -0600
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Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:02:49 -0800, "ChrisRobin"

<a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Nov 9 2009 8:17 PM, da pickle wrote:

>> "The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni
>> scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in
>> August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and
>> backing terrorist organizations.

So would you say that al-Awlaki DIDN'T back terrorist organizations
and support attacks on British troops?

>And thus the newest Muslim boogeyman is born.

He certainly doesn't qualify as a boogeyman.
Boogeymen only hide under children's beds to scare them in the middle
of the night.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:09:33 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: OT: Prejudice, Denial and Fort Hood
On Nov 10, 3:26 am, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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