solar penguin wrote: > tomsalin...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > The Face of Po wrote:
> >> What bothers me is that a space most certainly _is_ a kind of > >> "blank" - more so than a letter or number. So I'd initially > >> interpreted [BLANK] as being equivalent to the regular expression > >> ".*", which means "anything except a line-ending", and that would > >> probably rule out paragraphs. But as a "line-ending" is completely > >> different beast in regexps than in TV shows, I suppose another > >> definition has to be sought.
> > I think you would be safe to assume that an understanding of regular > > expressions is not required to correctly interpret the meanings of > > questions in DWRE quizzes.
> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget what > Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, although it > says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety Blank or even > Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word Blanks were > allowed.
You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
> What bothers me is that a space most certainly _is_ a kind of "blank" - > more so than a letter or number. So I'd initially interpreted [BLANK] > as being equivalent to the regular expression ".*", which means > "anything except a line-ending", and that would probably rule out > paragraphs. But as a "line-ending" is completely different beast in > regexps than in TV shows, I suppose another definition has to be sought.
> Maybe you could have a question involving scanning, in which [BLANK] > should only be one syllable? ;-)
> > What bothers me is that a space most certainly _is_ a kind of "blank" - > > more so than a letter or number. So I'd initially interpreted [BLANK] > > as being equivalent to the regular expression ".*", which means > > "anything except a line-ending", and that would probably rule out > > paragraphs. But as a "line-ending" is completely different beast in > > regexps than in TV shows, I suppose another definition has to be sought.
> > Maybe you could have a question involving scanning, in which [BLANK] > > should only be one syllable? ;-)
> Ever watched have I got news for you?
Yes - the last time I watched it, multiple missing words still only got one blank for the lot of them (unless they spanned multiple lines, in which case it was one blank per line or part of line).
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>> > I am fairly convinced that The Dalek Emperor in The Parting of the Ways >> > is not the one seen to be destroyed in The Evil of the Daleks unless >> > anyone else knows different. However, I know from DWRE1 that the >> > Cybercontroller in Attack is the same as the one in Tomb despite their >> > different appearances.
>> Tom...I dispute the fact the Dalek Emperoror in POTW is proven to be a >> different character from Evil. Evil took place long after POTW in the >> Dalek timeline so it's very possible it IS the same character. Perhaps >> the Dalek Emperor somehow survived Rose's attack by dimension jumping >> in the same way as the black Dalek did in Doomsday?
>> All Im saying is we have seen the Master supposedly "die" many times in >> the history of the show but yet he always makes a return appearance. >> Never have we speculated that it wasn't the same Master. The same with >> Davros. In POTW Eccles Doc appears to actually recognise the Dalek >> Emperor - even before they were introduced - which makes it seem they >> have met before at some time...perhaps in Evil of the Daleks.
>> Unless you can say with certainty that the two empererors are indeed >> different characters (which I dont think anybody can) then I'd like to >> campaign for my answer to question 9 to be re-evaluated and my score >> adjusted accordingly.
>> Bazza
> Sorry, bazza, that's not the way it works. You don't get to jump to a > conclusion - or worse make some stuff up - and say "it's not > contradicted in the series, so it's a right answer". Your answer has > got to be unambiguously supported in the series. Is it possible the two > Dalek Emperors are one and the same? Yes, but it's nowhere stated. On > the other hand, both got destroyed, they look completely different, the > Daleks relate to them differently and "Emperor" is a title that could > be passed from Dalek to Dalek. Your score remains unchanged.
> Cheers
> Tom
That's okay Tom.....one for me to remember for next time. Someone made a good argument against my theory on OG as well so I'll put it down to experience.
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when >Ewan Villiers got out a spraycan and scrawled the following: >> "The Face of Po" <gkenning...@claIrVOYaNT.coLD.DuCk> wrote in message >news:1154932988.5700.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
>> > What bothers me is that a space most certainly _is_ a kind of "blank" - >> > more so than a letter or number. So I'd initially interpreted [BLANK] >> > as being equivalent to the regular expression ".*", which means >> > "anything except a line-ending", and that would probably rule out >> > paragraphs. But as a "line-ending" is completely different beast in >> > regexps than in TV shows, I suppose another definition has to be sought.
>> > Maybe you could have a question involving scanning, in which [BLANK] >> > should only be one syllable? ;-)
>> Ever watched have I got news for you?
>Yes - the last time I watched it, multiple missing words still only got >one blank for the lot of them (unless they spanned multiple lines, in >which case it was one blank per line or part of line).
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>>> > I am fairly convinced that The Dalek Emperor in The Parting of the Ways >>> > is not the one seen to be destroyed in The Evil of the Daleks unless >>> > anyone else knows different. However, I know from DWRE1 that the >>> > Cybercontroller in Attack is the same as the one in Tomb despite their >>> > different appearances.
>>> Tom...I dispute the fact the Dalek Emperoror in POTW is proven to be a >>> different character from Evil. Evil took place long after POTW in the >>> Dalek timeline so it's very possible it IS the same character. Perhaps >>> the Dalek Emperor somehow survived Rose's attack by dimension jumping >>> in the same way as the black Dalek did in Doomsday?
>>> All Im saying is we have seen the Master supposedly "die" many times in >>> the history of the show but yet he always makes a return appearance. >>> Never have we speculated that it wasn't the same Master. The same with >>> Davros. In POTW Eccles Doc appears to actually recognise the Dalek >>> Emperor - even before they were introduced - which makes it seem they >>> have met before at some time...perhaps in Evil of the Daleks.
>>> Unless you can say with certainty that the two empererors are indeed >>> different characters (which I dont think anybody can) then I'd like to >>> campaign for my answer to question 9 to be re-evaluated and my score >>> adjusted accordingly.
>>> Bazza
>> Sorry, bazza, that's not the way it works. You don't get to jump to a >> conclusion - or worse make some stuff up - and say "it's not >> contradicted in the series, so it's a right answer". Your answer has >> got to be unambiguously supported in the series. Is it possible the two >> Dalek Emperors are one and the same? Yes, but it's nowhere stated. On >> the other hand, both got destroyed, they look completely different, the >> Daleks relate to them differently and "Emperor" is a title that could >> be passed from Dalek to Dalek. Your score remains unchanged.
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>That's okay Tom.....one for me to remember for next time. Someone made a >good argument against my theory on OG as well so I'll put it down to >experience.
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> 38 entrants battled it out this time, with Andrew Hodson achieving a > first place score of 400, just pipping John Dorney and Wilf who were > joint second with 480.
Not that it matters on a cosmic scale, but I must disagree with your marking me wrong on two questions.
> 3. Give a nickname that one Doctor Who character has used for another. > Wrong > 1 Chesterfield (not a nickname) > My dictionary does define nicknames to include short versions of names > ("Jacks", "Romana") but not mere descriptions > ("Jackanapes", "Dandy"), insults ("Toerag") or > mispronunciations ("Chesterfield").
Given that the Doctor obviously was doing it deliberately in order to tease Ian, I think it counts.
> 6. Name a character who appeared in exactly one episode of a > multi-episode Doctor Who story, and who did not die in that episode.
> Wrong > 1 Time Lord (Genesis of the Daleks 1) > since I said "name a character", your character had to have a name. > farewell to > two nameless Time Lords and quite a handful of others.
Again, I disagree. "Name" is so often used to mean "give a label to" and does not neccessarily meanthat the person's actual name. e.g. your Question 2 was "Name a three-word story title " That does not mean the title has tobe someone's name. I think "the time lord" is a good answer. Name me one reason why not.
tomsalin...@googlemail.com wrote: > solar penguin wrote:
>> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget >> what Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, >> although it says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety >> Blank or even Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word >> Blanks were allowed.
> You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
No. When asking the questions Wogan would say something like, 'When George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].' And the contestants could answer either 'ukelele' or 'stick of rock' or whatever. You see? [Blank] could be more than one word.
> tomsalin...@googlemail.com wrote: >> solar penguin wrote:
>>> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget >>> what Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, >>> although it says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety >>> Blank or even Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word >>> Blanks were allowed.
>> You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
> No. When asking the questions Wogan would say something like, 'When > George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the > wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].' And the > contestants could answer either 'ukelele' or 'stick of rock' or > whatever. You see? [Blank] could be more than one word.
> --
(can't believe this but.....) terry would have said "'When
> George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the > wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].OR blankety > blanks' (the plural). And the > contestants could answer either 'ukulele' or 'stick of rock'
><tomsalin...@googlemail.com> wrote in message >news:1154693176.589683.248470@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> 38 entrants battled it out this time, with Andrew Hodson achieving a >> first place score of 400, just pipping John Dorney and Wilf who were >> joint second with 480.
>Not that it matters on a cosmic scale, but I must disagree with your > marking me wrong on two questions.
>> 3. Give a nickname that one Doctor Who character has used for another. >> Wrong >> 1 Chesterfield (not a nickname) >> My dictionary does define nicknames to include short versions of names >> ("Jacks", "Romana") but not mere descriptions >> ("Jackanapes", "Dandy"), insults ("Toerag") or >> mispronunciations ("Chesterfield").
>Given that the Doctor obviously was doing it deliberately in >order to tease Ian, I think it counts.
>> 6. Name a character who appeared in exactly one episode of a >> multi-episode Doctor Who story, and who did not die in that episode.
>> Wrong >> 1 Time Lord (Genesis of the Daleks 1) >> since I said "name a character", your character had to have a name. >> farewell to >> two nameless Time Lords and quite a handful of others.
>Again, I disagree. "Name" is so often used to mean "give a label to" >and does not neccessarily meanthat the person's actual name. >e.g. your Question 2 was "Name a three-word story title " That >does not mean the title has tobe someone's name. I think "the time lord" >is a good answer. Name me one reason why not.
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solar penguin <solar.peng...@PLEASE.tiscali.REMOVE.co.THIS.uk> wrote: >tomsalin...@googlemail.com wrote: >> solar penguin wrote:
>>> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget >>> what Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, >>> although it says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety >>> Blank or even Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word >>> Blanks were allowed.
>> You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
>No. When asking the questions Wogan would say something like, 'When >George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the >wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].' And the >contestants could answer either 'ukelele' or 'stick of rock' or >whatever. You see? [Blank] could be more than one word.
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>>>> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget >>>> what Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, >>>> although it says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety >>>> Blank or even Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word >>>> Blanks were allowed.
>>> You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
>> No. When asking the questions Wogan would say something like, 'When >> George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the >> wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].' And the >> contestants could answer either 'ukelele' or 'stick of rock' or >> whatever. You see? [Blank] could be more than one word.
>> --
>(can't believe this but.....) terry would have said "'When >> George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the >> wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].OR blankety >> blanks' (the plural). And the >> contestants could answer either 'ukulele' or 'stick of rock'
>but tom was quite specific.
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> > 3. Give a nickname that one Doctor Who character has used for another. > > Wrong > > 1 Chesterfield (not a nickname) > > My dictionary does define nicknames to include short versions of names > > ("Jacks", "Romana") but not mere descriptions > > ("Jackanapes", "Dandy"), insults ("Toerag") or > > mispronunciations ("Chesterfield").
> Given that the Doctor obviously was doing it deliberately in > order to tease Ian, I think it counts.
It's not obvious to me, sorry.
> > 6. Name a character who appeared in exactly one episode of a > > multi-episode Doctor Who story, and who did not die in that episode.
> > Wrong > > 1 Time Lord (Genesis of the Daleks 1) > > since I said "name a character", your character had to have a name. > > farewell to > > two nameless Time Lords and quite a handful of others.
> Again, I disagree. "Name" is so often used to mean "give a label to" > and does not neccessarily meanthat the person's actual name. > e.g. your Question 2 was "Name a three-word story title " That > does not mean the title has tobe someone's name. I think "the time lord" > is a good answer. Name me one reason why not.
When I say "Name a story title", your answer has to be the name of the story. "The one with the giant maggots" would not be a correct answer.
If I said (as I did in an earlier quiz) "Identify someone who..." then a name would not be required.
solar penguin wrote: > tomsalin...@googlemail.com wrote: > > solar penguin wrote:
> >> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget > >> what Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, > >> although it says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety > >> Blank or even Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word > >> Blanks were allowed.
> > You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
> No. When asking the questions Wogan would say something like, 'When > George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the > wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].' And the > contestants could answer either 'ukelele' or 'stick of rock' or > whatever. You see? [Blank] could be more than one word.
And to correct the usual and natural assumption that [blank] means exactly one word, the speech you quoted was used. Minus that speech, the presumption is that you fill in the missing word. This is demonstrated by the existence of that speech. IIRC this was later simplified to "over his little BLANK or BLANKS" implying that one or more words would be sufficient.
> Yes - the last time I watched it, multiple missing words still only got > one blank for the lot of them (unless they spanned multiple lines, in > which case it was one blank per line or part of line).
It wasn't the word "blank", it was a black box, possibly designed to look like government censorship. Not the same thing at all.
> > Given that the Doctor obviously was doing it deliberately in > > order to tease Ian, I think it counts.
> It's not obvious to me, sorry.
Right. The big giveaway that he wasn't doing it deliberately comes at the end of The Massacre. The Doctor is talking to himself, and STILL manages to get Ian's name wrong.
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message news:ebb2d9$sfq$1@gallifrey.nk.ca... > In article <mX2Cg.646$r6...@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, > Peter Morris <dont_sp@m_me.com> wrote: Snip > We need an appeal board.
Nah, we need people to accept the the Judges decision is final.
Add these to the next set of rules: Rule 1a The Judge is always right. Rule 1b If the Judge is wrong see rule 1a.
>> >> Since we like getting nostalgic about old BBC shows, don't forget >> >> what Terry Wogan always used to say on Blankety Blank: 'Remember, >> >> although it says Blank on the card, your answer can be Blankety >> >> Blank or even Blankety Blanks,' meaning that one, two or three word >> >> Blanks were allowed.
>> > You make my point for me: "blank" is assumed to be one word!
>> No. When asking the questions Wogan would say something like, 'When >> George Formby sent his nightshirt to Mr. Wu's laundry, it shrunk in the >> wash, and now it won't even fit over his little [Blank].' And the >> contestants could answer either 'ukelele' or 'stick of rock' or >> whatever. You see? [Blank] could be more than one word.
>And to correct the usual and natural assumption that [blank] means >exactly one word, the speech you quoted was used. Minus that speech, >the presumption is that you fill in the missing word. This is >demonstrated by the existence of that speech. IIRC this was later >simplified to "over his little BLANK or BLANKS" implying that one or >more words would be sufficient.
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In article <1155133139.325915.290...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
tomsalin...@googlemail.com <tomsalin...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > Ever watched have I got news for you?
>> Yes - the last time I watched it, multiple missing words still only got >> one blank for the lot of them (unless they spanned multiple lines, in >> which case it was one blank per line or part of line).
>It wasn't the word "blank", it was a black box, possibly designed to >look like government censorship. Not the same thing at all.
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In article <g_rCg.1275$r61....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Ewan Villiers <g...@away.com> wrote: >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message >news:ebb2d9$sfq$1@gallifrey.nk.ca... >> In article <mX2Cg.646$r6...@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, >> Peter Morris <dont_sp@m_me.com> wrote: >Snip >> We need an appeal board.
>Nah, we need people to accept the the Judges decision is final.
>Add these to the next set of rules: >Rule 1a The Judge is always right. >Rule 1b If the Judge is wrong see rule 1a.
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>> > Given that the Doctor obviously was doing it deliberately in >> > order to tease Ian, I think it counts.
>> It's not obvious to me, sorry.
> Right. The big giveaway that he wasn't doing it deliberately comes at > the end of The Massacre. The Doctor is talking to himself, and STILL > manages to get Ian's name wrong.
From The Romans ep 1.
DOCTOR : "I don't know that I'm under any obligation to report my movements to you, Chesterfield."
>> Right. The big giveaway that he wasn't doing it deliberately comes at >> the end of The Massacre. The Doctor is talking to himself, and STILL >> manages to get Ian's name wrong.
>From The Romans ep 1.
>DOCTOR : "I don't know that I'm under any obligation to report >my movements to you, Chesterfield."
>BARBERA : "Chester-ton"
>DOCTOR : "Oh, Barbera's calling you."
>Ian does a double-take. Vicky giggles.
>Seems to me like he's doing it deliberately.
>(I've never seen The Massacre)
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>>> Right. The big giveaway that he wasn't doing it deliberately comes at >>> the end of The Massacre. The Doctor is talking to himself, and STILL >>> manages to get Ian's name wrong.
>>From The Romans ep 1.
>>DOCTOR : "I don't know that I'm under any obligation to report >>my movements to you, Chesterfield."
I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when tomsalin...@googlemail.com got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> > > Ever watched have I got news for you?
> > Yes - the last time I watched it, multiple missing words still only got > > one blank for the lot of them (unless they spanned multiple lines, in > > which case it was one blank per line or part of line).
> It wasn't the word "blank", it was a black box, possibly designed to > look like government censorship. Not the same thing at all.
You can do a black box when you've got a picture of a headline - you can't in ASCII or speech. When they read the headline out loud on HIGNFY, they tend to say the word "what" - which to me, is equivalent to "blank" in the same context (apart from turning the sentence into a question).
Can I take it that should a similar question come up in a future contest, you'll include something that will prevent a repeat of this confusion?
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Peter Morris wrote: > "MockTurtle" <mockfer...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1155141578.972334.217420@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> > Given that the Doctor obviously was doing it deliberately in > >> > order to tease Ian, I think it counts.
> >> It's not obvious to me, sorry.
> > Right. The big giveaway that he wasn't doing it deliberately comes at > > the end of The Massacre. The Doctor is talking to himself, and STILL > > manages to get Ian's name wrong.
> From The Romans ep 1.
> DOCTOR : "I don't know that I'm under any obligation to report > my movements to you, Chesterfield."
> BARBERA : "Chester-ton"
> DOCTOR : "Oh, Barbera's calling you."
> Ian does a double-take. Vicky giggles.
> Seems to me like he's doing it deliberately.
> (I've never seen The Massacre)
That's a possible interpretation, but it doesn't rule out absent mindness (and then embarrassment), and so it's not conclusive evidence of anything.
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