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Re: Middle-earth is Not the Muppet Show!

pseudony...@fats.teunc.org (Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 21:00:36 UT

On Nov 26, 3:38 am, "Noel Q. von Schneiffel"
Yes. The name "Baggins" referred originally to "getting them in the
bag."
In related news, the High Hay was originally meant to be rolled in.

Re: The Forger Tolkien Library

de...@pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 18:22:10 UT

...
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You _were_ quoting from a satirical work.
I actually understood Steve's point. A parenthesis, or as I was taught, a
"parenthetical expression", is grammatically what's inside round brackets
(or commas, etcetera). It doesn't mean that usage isn't different, but a
grammarian will often come at odds with usage...

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

cc-mar...@earthdink.net (Clams Canino) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 17:51:42 UT

[snip]
I think the problem is: Most of those here have an almost encyclopedic
knowledge of at least the Hobbit and LotR. The fear I had when posing a
question was that it would be answered in under 15 (too easy) or over 25
(too hard). I would not have used the low place in the hedge had it not
been called to my attention a 2nd time by the author when Frodo and co left

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

ojevind.l...@bredband.net (Öjevind Lång) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 17:10:01 UT

[snip]
I think it was, in common with several of the other questions asked
here, but that's just my personal opinion.
Öjevind

Re: Middle-earth is Not the Muppet Show!

psper...@ix.netscom.com.invalid (Paul S. Person) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 17:09:13 UT

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:08:25 -0400, Derek Broughton
An article in the current /Science News/ (on invisibility cloaks, of
all things) not only appears to confuse Harry Potter with Science
Fiction (although, since magic is taught, has laws, and can be
researched in the reality of Harry Potter I suppose an argument could

Re: The Forger Tolkien Library

psper...@ix.netscom.com.invalid (Paul S. Person) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 17:03:46 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:39:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
While that may be so in some dialects, "parenthesis" also refers to
")" or "(" in English.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that "paren" was used by
printers (who need, or needed, a name for every thing, however
obscure, that they might need to use) and then adopted by programmers.

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

cc-mar...@earthdink.net (Clams Canino) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 14:56:56 UT

Agreed. Especially since Nautilus missed entirely.
I was at first concerned that Nautilus' hedge could be the same hedge. But
I can now say (without hedging) that Julian has it hands down.
Congratz to Julian.
-W
( PS Was my hedge too obscure??)

Re: Middle-earth is Not the Muppet Show!

noel.von.schneif...@fats.teunc.org (Noel Q. von Schneiffel) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 08:38:58 UT

No, the correct Westron spelling, used in the Red Book, is
"Baggershot". However, in Bilbo's time, it was pronounced "Bagshot", a
mere contraction caused by slurry speech. Professor Tolkien used this
spelling in the translation to emphasize the rustic nature of the
hobbits.
The name, of course, originates from "Baggins' Hot", as this was the

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 04:48:11 UT

In article <oJidnYZzd5ESXpDWnZ2dnUVZ_redn ...@earthlink.com>,
I agree that Julian is the winner. He had the right answer, while
mine is wrong. It couldn't be the same hedge because Sam would have
to be right under the window to hear Gandalf's and Frodo's voices.
I've looked it up: Sam is busy with the *lawn* that day in "Shadow

Re: The Forger Tolkien Library

hayesm...@hotmail.com (Steve Hayes) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 00:39:28 UT

A parenthesis is what goes inside the brackets. Parentheses may also be
separated from the rest of the sentence by dashes and commas, and not just
brackets.

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

cc-mar...@earthdink.net (Clams Canino) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:52:52 UT

I already awarded it to Nautilus.... but you actually have it nailed.
The only reason I "gave it" to him was that I could not prove that they were
not the same hedge. That, and I felt guilty dragging it out any longer.
That said... since HE has not posted yet.... If nobody minds... I now feel
you are the actual technical winner - since you got it 100 correct.

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

cc-mar...@earthdink.net (Clams Canino) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:15:05 UT

Sending again... no see it here.
-W
least
in
of

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

tro...@thisisfake.invalid (Troels Forchhammer) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:43:41 UT

In message <news:3qmdnU2pz_b_AJDWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
"Clams Canino" <cc-mar...@earthdink.net> spoke these staves:
<snip>
In that case surely Julian is the winner -- he suggested that very
hedge at 17:12 UTC in message ID
<news:slrnhgqpbl.pg5.jcb@krk.inf.ed.ac.uk>

Re: 20 Questions (Clams I)

cc-mar...@earthdink.net (Clams Canino) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:09:55 UT

they
I never stated it was an individual plant. What I tried to do with the
bundled question issues was to indicate I was not looking for a specific
"family" or genus of plantlife.
With the above in mind.... my answer is "I don't know". The item I had in
mind was a hedge, I'm just not sure if it's the same one Sam was trimming

Re: The Forger Tolkien Library

tae...@zonnet.nl (Taemon) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:03:14 UT

So... "bracket" is always good? When to use "paren"?
T.