Aha! A new nugget. It appears that even when CRT was filling this gap, he still tried to patch with original fabric where possible. The 1977 text has this:
'How do ye of uncouth race dare to ask aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of Beleriand, whose life began by the waters of Cuivienen years uncounted ere the fathers of the stunted people awoke?' And...he bade them with scornful words be gone..."
Now, the old Tale of Turambar has, slightly earlier, Tinwelint saying:
'Wherefore dost thou of the uncouth race of Men endure to upbraid a king of the Eldalie? Lo! in Palisor my life began years uncounted before the first of Men awoke. Get thee gone, O Urin..."
I'm going to have to scour my text analysis anew, seeing if some of the gaps can be filled from the Lost Tales!
-- The Dodo never had a chance. He seems to have been invented for the sole purpose of becoming extinct and that was all he was good for.
William Cloud Hicklin wrote: > Aha! A new nugget. It appears that even when CRT was filling this gap, > he still tried to patch with original fabric where possible. The 1977 > text has this:
> 'How do ye of uncouth race dare to ask aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of > Beleriand, whose life began by the waters of Cuivienen years uncounted ere > the fathers of the stunted people awoke?' And...he bade them with scornful > words be gone..."
> Now, the old Tale of Turambar has, slightly earlier, Tinwelint saying:
> 'Wherefore dost thou of the uncouth race of Men endure to upbraid a king > of the Eldalie? Lo! in Palisor my life began years uncounted before the > first of Men awoke. Get thee gone, O Urin..."
Um. Don't read that last line aloud, please.
It sounds to ME like Tolkien's motor sputtered, rather than that CRT was patching with boilerplate.
> The Dodo never had a chance. He seems to have been invented for the sole > purpose of becoming extinct and that was all he was good for.
His gizzard was very useful for cracking certain nuts that otherwise were too hard to break, and therefore the seeds of certain trees on the island emerged in dodo droppings already in fertilizer. These trees are now dying out, all of them 300 years old, their nuts ungrown since the dodos died. Also the dodos were good to eat. Also you could make the same remark about humans, really.
Tsar Parmathule
"A metaphor is when you say one thing and mean something else, but you're not lying." -- Gutenberg! The Musical!
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:52:43 -0500, <atsarisb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> William Cloud Hicklin wrote: >> Aha! A new nugget. It appears that even when CRT was filling this gap, >> he still tried to patch with original fabric where possible. The 1977 >> text has this:
>> 'How do ye of uncouth race dare to ask aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of >> Beleriand, whose life began by the waters of Cuivienen years uncounted >> ere >> the fathers of the stunted people awoke?' And...he bade them with >> scornful >> words be gone..."
>> Now, the old Tale of Turambar has, slightly earlier, Tinwelint saying:
>> 'Wherefore dost thou of the uncouth race of Men endure to upbraid a king >> of the Eldalie? Lo! in Palisor my life began years uncounted before the >> first of Men awoke. Get thee gone, O Urin..."
> Um. Don't read that last line aloud, please.
I'm assuming an implied smiley there. Of course it's pronounced Oorin, not Yoorin.
> It sounds to ME like Tolkien's motor sputtered, rather than that CRT > was patching with boilerplate.
I'm not sure I follow you.
-- The Dodo never had a chance. He seems to have been invented for the sole purpose of becoming extinct and that was all he was good for.
William Cloud Hicklin wrote: > > It sounds to ME like Tolkien's motor sputtered, rather than that CRT > > was patching with boilerplate.
> I'm not sure I follow you.
I mean he repeated himself in similar situations, rather than CRT taking a line from one place and using it in another. JRRT would probably have fixed that had he been in charge of final publication, but of course he was not.
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:39:27 -0500, <atsarisb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I mean he repeated himself in similar situations, rather than CRT > taking a line from one place and using it in another. > JRRT would probably have fixed that had he been in charge of final > publication, but of course he was not.
But that isn't the case here: in neither of JRRT's two texts concerning the Necklace of the Dwarves is there any such line. And since the old Lost Tales version of H/Urin in Aratanor/Doriath had been rejected, there was no harm in CRT transplanting a line which clearly reflects Thingol at his haughty worst.
-- The Dodo never had a chance. He seems to have been invented for the sole purpose of becoming extinct and that was all he was good for.
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