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Dr. Bastiaan Meerburg  
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 More options 31 July 2008, 12:08
From: "Dr. Bastiaan Meerburg" <bgmeerb...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:08:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs 31 July 2008 12:08
Subject: 2 new papers
Dear colleagues,

Recently Grant Singleton has invited me to join the RatZooMan Network,
so, hereby my first post. Two papers will soon be published, and the
topic might interest you, so that's why I am currently writing this
post.

The first article ("The Ethics of Rodent Control') is about the
inconsistency between the treatment of pest animals (particularly
rodents) and that of rodents that are used for animal experimentation.
This article will appear in Pest Management Science soon, and you can
find the preliminary version via: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120746731/abstract

The second article ("The role of rodents and shrews in the
transmission of Toxoplasma gondii to pigs") will appear in Veterinary
Parasitology and is about the effect of a rodent control campaign on
the reduction of the parasite Toxoplasma gondii in pigs. This study
emphasizes the role of rodents and shrews in the transmission of T.
gondii to pigs and the importance of rodent control towards production
of T. gondii-free pig meat.

You can find this article via the following link:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TD7-4SNGMB...

Best regards,

Bastiaan
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Dr. B.G. Meerburg
Wageningen University & Research Centre
Plant Research International
P.O. Box 16
6700 AA Wageningen
The Netherlands
+31 317481375


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Alan Buckle  
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From: "Alan Buckle" <a...@alanbuckleconsulting.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:24:09 +0100
Local: Thurs 31 July 2008 23:24
Subject: RE: 2 new papers
Dear Bastian,

There is absolutely no doubt that we need to find more humane ways to
control pest rodents.  I believe we all should be striving for that.  A
group of scientists is meeting in the UK on a regular basis to work towards
that end.  We should certainly use the most humane methods available that
are compliant with the ultimate aim of protecting humane health and
wellbeing.  But exactly how many people would you be prepared to allow to
die in order to reduce the suffering of rodent pests?

I look forward to reading the full text of your article.  However, for the
moment I fail to see any parallel at all between the control of pest rodents
for the benefit of human health and the use of laboratory rodents in animal
experimentation.  I would have thought that the differences between those
two scenarios are obvious.  So I believe your premise, that we should treat
the two in the same way, to be absolutely mistaken.  Perhaps there is some
logic that I have missed and I will find it in your article?

This is a rather extreme analogy, but Radovan Karadzic and I are both human
beings.  If I were to stay tonight in the Hague should I expect to be
treated in the same way as him?  

Regards
Alan
Visiting Research Fellow
University of Reading

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Dr. Bastiaan Meerburg  
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From: "Dr. Bastiaan Meerburg" <bgmeerb...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri 1 Aug 2008 07:16
Subject: Re: 2 new papers
Dear Alan,

Thank you for your reply and your interesting comment. Of course, I am
completely aware of the risks for human health of those pest rodents
(see also the second article that I posted). But that is why
prevention is so important in the first place: we should try to
prevent rodent pests from happening . But if you look at an animal
level, what is then the difference between pest rodents and rodents
used for experimentation? They often belong to exactly the same
species...Do you really think a pest rodent can be compared to
Karadzic? I think not, as a pest rodent probably doesn't know he
causes harm to anyone...it just does what it is naturally good
at...which is by coincidence causing trouble for us :-)
In our article I wanted to state that it remains strange that the
general public tends to see both types of animals from a different
perspective. While at one end, there are bomb checks in cars at
veterinary institutes also in your country in order to counter animal
welfare action groups, at their own house the general public uses all
methods to get rid of some rodents. There should be a better
way....prevention!

Best regards,

Bastiaan

On Aug 1, 12:24 am, "Alan Buckle" <a...@alanbuckleconsulting.com>
wrote:


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