"If we accept the idea of self-ownership, then certain acts are
readily revealed as moral or immoral. Acts such as rape and murder are
immoral because they violate one's private property rights. Theft of the
physical things that we own, such as cars, jewelry and money, also
violates our ownership rights."
Our Problem is Immorality Walter E. Williams
Wednesday, April 01, 2009
Most of our nation's great problems, including our economic problems,
have as their root decaying moral values. Whether we have the stomach to
own up to it or not, we have become an immoral people left with little
more than the pretense of morality. You say, "That's a pretty heavy
charge, Williams. You'd better be prepared to back it up with
evidence!" I'll try with a few questions for you to answer.
Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly
used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not
peaceably submit to being so used, do you believe that there should be
the initiation of some kind of force against him? Neither question is
complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is
no to both questions but I bet that your average college professor,
politician or minister would not give a simple yes or no response. They
would be evasive and probably say that it all depends.
In thinking about questions of morality, my initial premise is that I am
my private property and you are your private property. That's simple.
What's complex is what percentage of me belongs to someone else. If we
accept the idea of self-ownership, then certain acts are readily revealed
as moral or immoral. Acts such as rape and murder are immoral because
they violate one's private property rights. Theft of the physical things
that we own, such as cars, jewelry and money, also violates our ownership
rights.
The reason why your college professor, politician or minister cannot give
a simple yes or no answer to the question of whether one person should be
used to serve the purposes of another is because they are sly enough to
know that either answer would be troublesome for their agenda. A yes
answer would put them firmly in the position of supporting some of
mankind's most horrible injustices such as slavery. After all, what is
slavery but the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of
another? A no answer would put them on the spot as well because that
would mean they would have to come out against taking the earnings of one
American to give to another in the forms of farm and business handouts,
Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and thousands of similar programs that
account for more than two-thirds of the federal budget. There is neither
moral justification nor constitutional authority for what amounts to
legalized theft. This is not an argument against paying taxes. We all
have a moral obligation to pay our share of the constitutionally mandated
and enumerated functions of the federal government.
Unfortunately, there is no way out of our immoral quagmire. The reason is
that now that the U.S. Congress has established the principle that one
American has a right to live at the expense of another American, it no
longer pays to be moral. People who choose to be moral and refuse
congressional handouts will find themselves losers. They'll be paying
higher and higher taxes to support increasing numbers of those paying
lower and lower taxes. As it stands now, close to 50 percent of income
earners have no federal income tax liability and as such, what do they
care about rising income taxes? In other words, once legalized theft
begins, it becomes too costly to remain moral and self-sufficient. You
might as well join in the looting, including the current looting in the
name of stimulating the economy.
I am all too afraid that a historian, a hundred years from now, will
footnote America as a historical curiosity where people once enjoyed
private property rights and limited government but it all returned to
mankind's normal state of affairs -- arbitrary abuse and control by the
powerful elite.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM, M.A. Johnson <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> *
> *I am all too afraid that a historian, a hundred years from now, will
> footnote America as a historical curiosity where people once enjoyed private
> property rights and limited government but it all returned to mankind's
> normal state of affairs -- arbitrary abuse and control by the powerful
> elite.
Mr Williams is one of my favorite columnists.
Unfortunately, he may be right about this.
"Unfortunately, there is no way out of our immoral quagmire. The reason is
that now that the U.S. Congress has established the principle that one
American has a right to live at the expense of another American, it no
longer pays to be moral. People who choose to be moral and refuse
congressional handouts will find themselves losers. They'll be paying higher
and higher taxes to support increasing numbers of those paying lower and
lower taxes. As it stands now, close to 50 percent of income earners have no
federal income tax liability and as such, what do they care about rising
income taxes? In other words, once legalized theft begins, it becomes too
costly to remain moral and self-sufficient. You might as well join in the
looting, including the current looting in the name of stimulating the
economy. "
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM, M.A. Johnson <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > *
> > *I am all too afraid that a historian, a hundred years from now, will
> > footnote America as a historical curiosity where people once enjoyed private
> > property rights and limited government but it all returned to mankind's
> > normal state of affairs -- arbitrary abuse and control by the powerful
> > elite.
> Mr Williams is one of my favorite columnists.
> Unfortunately, he may be right about this.
> "Unfortunately, there is no way out of our immoral quagmire. The reason is
> that now that the U.S. Congress has established the principle that one
> American has a right to live at the expense of another American, it no
> longer pays to be moral. People who choose to be moral and refuse
> congressional handouts will find themselves losers. They'll be paying higher
> and higher taxes to support increasing numbers of those paying lower and
> lower taxes. As it stands now, close to 50 percent of income earners have no
> federal income tax liability and as such, what do they care about rising
> income taxes? In other words, once legalized theft begins, it becomes too
> costly to remain moral and self-sufficient. You might as well join in the
> looting, including the current looting in the name of stimulating the
> economy. "
In that case, what is the difference between 'socialism' and a co-
operative corporation, in which all members may share equally in the
profits of the venture. In Canada, may co-ops developed from the
Depression of the thirties, when a group of people were able to get
together to provide goods and services for themselves. Many had
previously been worked over by the Bay street corporations and the
'Capitalists' who ran the Banks and the Railways, and.... In
particular the railways whose control of transportation at the time,
meant that the price received for farm produce, was dependant on
getting to the market. If a truly socialist government were to exist,
such common infrastructure as roads, canals, farm equipment could be
collectively owned by those who need to use them, If Drs,(services).
and hospitals were owned by the community, and paid for by the
members, people could get sick, and recover to return to their
position in the economy, without a major loss. This has been an
effective method of relieving poverty in developing countries, where
government involvement might be limited to not sending in soldiers
against farmers,,,, to evict them.
I suspect that what has developed in recent times, is that too few
corporations have become too big and unweildy, thus they cannot
respond to changing circumstances. As a result they are managed by
technocrats, whose roll is not to suupport the corp, but to vote
themselves big pay packets, and 'performance bonuses' that have no
bearing on what was best for the company.
> Wht you are describing sounds like socialism, which is supposed to be
> a dirty word in America?
> On 1 Apr, 14:04, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM, M.A. Johnson <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > *
> > > *I am all too afraid that a historian, a hundred years from now, will
> > > footnote America as a historical curiosity where people once enjoyed private
> > > property rights and limited government but it all returned to mankind's
> > > normal state of affairs -- arbitrary abuse and control by the powerful
> > > elite.
> > Mr Williams is one of my favorite columnists.
> > Unfortunately, he may be right about this.
> > "Unfortunately, there is no way out of our immoral quagmire. The reason is
> > that now that the U.S. Congress has established the principle that one
> > American has a right to live at the expense of another American, it no
> > longer pays to be moral. People who choose to be moral and refuse
> > congressional handouts will find themselves losers. They'll be paying higher
> > and higher taxes to support increasing numbers of those paying lower and
> > lower taxes. As it stands now, close to 50 percent of income earners have no
> > federal income tax liability and as such, what do they care about rising
> > income taxes? In other words, once legalized theft begins, it becomes too
> > costly to remain moral and self-sufficient. You might as well join in the
> > looting, including the current looting in the name of stimulating the
> > economy. "
Listen to him, he's telling you the party is over!
Your country is dying a slow but imminent death! Socialism and
immigration are the culprits, as they consume the U.K. and yet you
appear to be oblivious to it all.
You by virtue of your age may not get to see it, but your children and
grandchildren most certainly will, and they will toil in the ashes of
what was once a great empire and will be at the mercy of the savages
and barbarians that will reign in place of civilization.
Have you know fear for them?
Has 12 years been enough for the Labour party to ruin your country,
need you give them more time?
Why don't you wake up and smell the coffee!
Why don't you and your fellow Brits vote back in the Tories?
> Listen to him, he's telling you the party is over!
> Your country is dying a slow but imminent death! Socialism and
> immigration are the culprits, as they consume the U.K. and yet you
> appear to be oblivious to it all.
> You by virtue of your age may not get to see it, but your children and
> grandchildren most certainly will, and they will toil in the ashes of
> what was once a great empire and will be at the mercy of the savages
> and barbarians that will reign in place of civilization.
> Have you know fear for them?
> Has 12 years been enough for the Labour party to ruin your country,
> need you give them more time?
> Why don't you wake up and smell the coffee!
> Why don't you and your fellow Brits vote back in the Tories?
> > Listen to him, he's telling you the party is over!
> > Your country is dying a slow but imminent death! Socialism and
> > immigration are the culprits, as they consume the U.K. and yet you
> > appear to be oblivious to it all.
> > You by virtue of your age may not get to see it, but your children and
> > grandchildren most certainly will, and they will toil in the ashes of
> > what was once a great empire and will be at the mercy of the savages
> > and barbarians that will reign in place of civilization.
> > Have you know fear for them?
> > Has 12 years been enough for the Labour party to ruin your country,
> > need you give them more time?
> > Why don't you wake up and smell the coffee!
> > Why don't you and your fellow Brits vote back in the Tories?
If any nation is facing total destruction it is the US, and the
unfortunate thing is that Bill is not alone.... he would rather remain
impoverished,,,, giving millions to the bankers, and to the robber
barons, and hoping that one day he to might be able to be one of them.
People who have access to medical care and old age pensions, and
unemployment insurance can never understand the fear that drives those
who don't. Many Americans are little more than a payday away from
bankruptcy, and/or living on the streets. If they lose their union
job, they have little but what they managed to save over the years
(and that is not much). If the stress of poverty makes them sick, then
they really have a problem. Over the last eight to ten years the real
growth of poverty is among the low wage earner....those who cannot
earn enough in a week to cover their basic expenses, have only
relatives to aid them. Yet they fear socialism......
On Apr 3, 9:11 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Listen to him, he's telling you the party is over!
> > Your country is dying a slow but imminent death! Socialism and
> > immigration are the culprits, as they consume the U.K. and yet you
> > appear to be oblivious to it all.
> > You by virtue of your age may not get to see it, but your children and
> > grandchildren most certainly will, and they will toil in the ashes of
> > what was once a great empire and will be at the mercy of the savages
> > and barbarians that will reign in place of civilization.
> > Have you know fear for them?
> > Has 12 years been enough for the Labour party to ruin your country,
> > need you give them more time?
> > Why don't you wake up and smell the coffee!
> > Why don't you and your fellow Brits vote back in the Tories?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If any nation is facing total destruction it is the US, and the > unfortunate thing is that Bill is not alone.... he would rather remain > impoverished,,,, giving millions to the bankers, and to the robber > barons, and hoping that one day he to might be able to be one of them.
You are nuts and we are not impoverished.
> People who have access to medical care and old age pensions, and > unemployment insurance can never understand the fear that drives those > who don't. Many Americans are little more than a payday away from > bankruptcy, and/or living on the streets.
None that I know - and our medical care is excellent.
> If they lose their union > job, they have little but what they managed to save over the years > (and that is not much). If the stress of poverty makes them sick, then > they really have a problem. Over the last eight to ten years the real > growth of poverty is among the low wage earner....those who cannot > earn enough in a week to cover their basic expenses, have only > relatives to aid them. Yet they fear socialism......
Yet it is the imminent failure of several American banks that are at
the heart of this current financial disaster. Yet still Americans
reject the concept that maybe some of the authors of the story, need
to be reined in...since they havenot governed themselves in a
reputable fashion. And typically the conservative element is
attempting to blame the victims of the largest scam ever. What ever
happened to the concept honesty, and a modest but stable return on an
investment? Or is that too old fashioned and plodding....
On Apr 3, 5:43 pm, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If any nation is facing total destruction it is the US, and the
> > unfortunate thing is that Bill is not alone.... he would rather remain
> > impoverished,,,, giving millions to the bankers, and to the robber
> > barons, and hoping that one day he to might be able to be one of them.
> You are nuts and we are not impoverished.
> > People who have access to medical care and old age pensions, and
> > unemployment insurance can never understand the fear that drives those
> > who don't. Many Americans are little more than a payday away from
> > bankruptcy, and/or living on the streets.
> None that I know - and our medical care is excellent.
> > If they lose their union
> > job, they have little but what they managed to save over the years
> > (and that is not much). If the stress of poverty makes them sick, then
> > they really have a problem. Over the last eight to ten years the real
> > growth of poverty is among the low wage earner....those who cannot
> > earn enough in a week to cover their basic expenses, have only
> > relatives to aid them. Yet they fear socialism......
Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
On 3 Apr, 23:11, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yet it is the imminent failure of several American banks that are at
> the heart of this current financial disaster. Yet still Americans
> reject the concept that maybe some of the authors of the story, need
> to be reined in...since they havenot governed themselves in a
> reputable fashion. And typically the conservative element is
> attempting to blame the victims of the largest scam ever. What ever
> happened to the concept honesty, and a modest but stable return on an
> investment? Or is that too old fashioned and plodding....
> On Apr 3, 5:43 pm, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If any nation is facing total destruction it is the US, and the
> > > unfortunate thing is that Bill is not alone.... he would rather remain
> > > impoverished,,,, giving millions to the bankers, and to the robber
> > > barons, and hoping that one day he to might be able to be one of them.
> > You are nuts and we are not impoverished.
> > > People who have access to medical care and old age pensions, and
> > > unemployment insurance can never understand the fear that drives those
> > > who don't. Many Americans are little more than a payday away from
> > > bankruptcy, and/or living on the streets.
> > None that I know - and our medical care is excellent.
> > > If they lose their union
> > > job, they have little but what they managed to save over the years
> > > (and that is not much). If the stress of poverty makes them sick, then
> > > they really have a problem. Over the last eight to ten years the real
> > > growth of poverty is among the low wage earner....those who cannot
> > > earn enough in a week to cover their basic expenses, have only
> > > relatives to aid them. Yet they fear socialism......
Oh noooo, usury would not play a role in this scenario that
the"ignorant folks" are the cause of this great scheme. What the hell
is the smart "college degree" SOB in government for? to wit
"The terrible thing about interest is that those people who will not
be turning a shovel full of dirt on this (Muscle Shoals Dam Project)
or be contributing a pound of material towards it will collect more
money from the United States than will the People who supply all the
material and do all the work on it." Thomas Edison
Edison's favorite piece of poetry was stanza nine from Thomas Gray's
Elegy To A Country-Churchyard, which he perpetually recited within
earshot of his many associates:
"The boast of heraldry, the pomp of power,
And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike the inevitable hour:
The paths of glory lead but to the grave."
Peace,
Doc
On Apr 1, 8:04 am, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM, M.A. Johnson <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > *
> > *I am all too afraid that a historian, a hundred years from now, will
> > footnote America as a historical curiosity where people once enjoyed private
> > property rights and limited government but it all returned to mankind's
> > normal state of affairs -- arbitrary abuse and control by the powerful
> > elite.
> Mr Williams is one of my favorite columnists.
> Unfortunately, he may be right about this.
> "Unfortunately, there is no way out of our immoral quagmire. The reason is
> that now that the U.S. Congress has established the principle that one
> American has a right to live at the expense of another American, it no
> longer pays to be moral. People who choose to be moral and refuse
> congressional handouts will find themselves losers. They'll be paying higher
> and higher taxes to support increasing numbers of those paying lower and
> lower taxes. As it stands now, close to 50 percent of income earners have no
> federal income tax liability and as such, what do they care about rising
> income taxes? In other words, once legalized theft begins, it becomes too
> costly to remain moral and self-sufficient. You might as well join in the
> looting, including the current looting in the name of stimulating the
> economy. "
Oh hell yea elle. Lets not just have America be free from tyranny but
put America in th esame slabvery of the rest of the world. America
will no longer carry t etorch of liberty and with "force" we will also
make every one else a slave to our will. Oh you know; just th esame as
the Brits tried to cram down Americas throats and why America claimed
"INDEPENDENCE" and liberty whatever you and yours deem we should by
ruled by and crammed down every one elses throats and, to wit
By God you will have freedom and liberty even if it is against your
will and or even if we have to kill you!
> Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> On 3 Apr, 23:11, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yet it is the imminent failure of several American banks that are at
> > the heart of this current financial disaster. Yet still Americans
> > reject the concept that maybe some of the authors of the story, need
> > to be reined in...since they havenot governed themselves in a
> > reputable fashion. And typically the conservative element is
> > attempting to blame the victims of the largest scam ever. What ever
> > happened to the concept honesty, and a modest but stable return on an
> > investment? Or is that too old fashioned and plodding....
> > On Apr 3, 5:43 pm, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > If any nation is facing total destruction it is the US, and the
> > > > unfortunate thing is that Bill is not alone.... he would rather remain
> > > > impoverished,,,, giving millions to the bankers, and to the robber
> > > > barons, and hoping that one day he to might be able to be one of them.
> > > You are nuts and we are not impoverished.
> > > > People who have access to medical care and old age pensions, and
> > > > unemployment insurance can never understand the fear that drives those
> > > > who don't. Many Americans are little more than a payday away from
> > > > bankruptcy, and/or living on the streets.
> > > None that I know - and our medical care is excellent.
> > > > If they lose their union
> > > > job, they have little but what they managed to save over the years
> > > > (and that is not much). If the stress of poverty makes them sick, then
> > > > they really have a problem. Over the last eight to ten years the real
> > > > growth of poverty is among the low wage earner....those who cannot
> > > > earn enough in a week to cover their basic expenses, have only
> > > > relatives to aid them. Yet they fear socialism......
I think the Webster definition of liberty and freedom is very
different than the OED veersion. That leaves Canadians in a hopeless
controversy.... we hardly know which one to believe. So we ignore the
definitions and just go about and do things our own way. Like the
Soviets, and the Brits, and the Chinese, Americans truly believe that
we are in chains, and they all feel sorry for us. But it was the silly
men in Washington , and London that have very nearly derailed the lot
of us. I hope that they do not expect us to behave as lemmings and
follow them into the State of Economic Ruin....
On Apr 6, 12:22 am, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Oh hell yea elle. Lets not just have America be free from tyranny but
> put America in th esame slabvery of the rest of the world. America
> will no longer carry t etorch of liberty and with "force" we will also
> make every one else a slave to our will. Oh you know; just th esame as
> the Brits tried to cram down Americas throats and why America claimed
> "INDEPENDENCE" and liberty whatever you and yours deem we should by
> ruled by and crammed down every one elses throats and, to wit
> By God you will have freedom and liberty even if it is against your
> will and or even if we have to kill you!
> Peace,
> Doc
> On Apr 5, 7:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> > On 3 Apr, 23:11, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yet it is the imminent failure of several American banks that are at
> > > the heart of this current financial disaster. Yet still Americans
> > > reject the concept that maybe some of the authors of the story, need
> > > to be reined in...since they havenot governed themselves in a
> > > reputable fashion. And typically the conservative element is
> > > attempting to blame the victims of the largest scam ever. What ever
> > > happened to the concept honesty, and a modest but stable return on an
> > > investment? Or is that too old fashioned and plodding....
> > > On Apr 3, 5:43 pm, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > If any nation is facing total destruction it is the US, and the
> > > > > unfortunate thing is that Bill is not alone.... he would rather remain
> > > > > impoverished,,,, giving millions to the bankers, and to the robber
> > > > > barons, and hoping that one day he to might be able to be one of them.
> > > > You are nuts and we are not impoverished.
> > > > > People who have access to medical care and old age pensions, and
> > > > > unemployment insurance can never understand the fear that drives those
> > > > > who don't. Many Americans are little more than a payday away from
> > > > > bankruptcy, and/or living on the streets.
> > > > None that I know - and our medical care is excellent.
> > > > > If they lose their union
> > > > > job, they have little but what they managed to save over the years
> > > > > (and that is not much). If the stress of poverty makes them sick, then
> > > > > they really have a problem. Over the last eight to ten years the real
> > > > > growth of poverty is among the low wage earner....those who cannot
> > > > > earn enough in a week to cover their basic expenses, have only
> > > > > relatives to aid them. Yet they fear socialism......
> Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
like its a bad word.
It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
Islam.
Bill, the trouble is the Christian world has been corrupted by
Liberalism and Multiculturalism. These Torjan Horses were planted by
those cunning Arabs.
On 7 Apr, 06:39, Bill <sean_sann...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> elle you can run but you can't hide from the unpleasantries told to
> you in my previous post.
> I see you dodge posts that challenge you.
> On Apr 5, 5:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
> turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
> like its a bad word.
> It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
> you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
> Islam.
Bull shit! Superstition and insane Armageddon scenarios are what the
of some kind of reward in thehere are the problem, whether Christian
of Islam makes no difference to be think that god will reward you for
killing another human being. Gods need to fight their own fucking holy
wars and leave his people out of his business gods be so omniportand
and great why do gods need men to battle for them. As far as I'm
concerned any god who would do such can go to hell and I will not
serve such a god. The kingdom of god is better served in the present
and I don't know any god in the Christian religion who professes
killing and persecuting people; vengeance is mine saith the lord! The
insane philosophies that your buddies in the ME would have us
Americans believe is the problem. That of war and revenge who feed the
military industrial complex and flaunt fear among us as propaganda to
retaliate in fear the same old shit you people have been doing for
eons. to wit
The destroyers of the old are the creators of the new.
As time sweeps on the old passes away and the new in its turn becomes
old.
There is in the intellectual world, as in the physical, decay and
growth, and ever by the grave of buried age stand youth and joy.
The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of
infidels, political rights have been preserved by traitors, the
liberty of mind by heretics.
To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy.
For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they
attacked the rights of man. They defended each other.
The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg.
James I. said: "No bishop, no king." He might have added: "No cross,
no crown." The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls.
One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by
fear -- both robbers, both beggars.
These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made
laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God,
both were the agents of the Infinite.
With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with
wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other.
If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and
every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain.
The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both.
The king said to the people. "God made you peasants, and He made me
king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels
for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to
command. Such is the justice of God."
And the priest said; "God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy
and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to
me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment
you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God."
"You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict --
contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears
to hear let him hear." Heaven was a question of ears.
Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been
heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men
of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their
fellow-men.
It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness?
A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of
thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and
mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of
thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does
not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to
happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others.
A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes
changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast
multitudes would be barbarians now.
A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's
night, an inspiration and a prophecy.
Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any
man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but
not greatness.
The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness
is from within.
The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they
are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul;
they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the
lives of many millions with love and song.
They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life
with the triumphs of genius.
They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear,
who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their
thrones.
They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the
kings of the useful who have civilized this world.
At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire,
whose memory we are honoring tonight.
> Bill, the trouble is the Christian world has been corrupted by
> Liberalism and Multiculturalism. These Torjan Horses were planted by
> those cunning Arabs.
> On 7 Apr, 06:39, Bill <sean_sann...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > elle you can run but you can't hide from the unpleasantries told to
> > you in my previous post.
> > I see you dodge posts that challenge you.
> > On Apr 5, 5:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> > Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
> > turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
> > like its a bad word.
> > It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
> > you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
> > Islam.
Greatness, and morality are the products of individuals, who go
against the prevailing 'truths'. Many never become wealthy, and many
die in obscurity. Like the ancient Hebrews, we execute our prophets.
We may not behead them, or nail them to trees, but all too often they
are belittled or ignored, at least until they wander away, in despair.
My own father frequently talked about our over dependence on fossil
fuels beginning forty years ago, but few wanted to listen. He died
alone, with a few friends, about four years ago. What many realize
now is that perhaps he was right.
What is even worse, is that since 1980, we thought that we were God's
chosen, and thus could do no wrong. Rather than practice any sort of
self control, that was a construct that was left to the poorest in our
communities. Now we have elected a new and different leader (saviour)
yet we find ourselves disappointed that we must still correct our own
way of living, in order to find salvation.
On Apr 7, 11:33 am, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Bull shit! Superstition and insane Armageddon scenarios are what the
> of some kind of reward in thehere are the problem, whether Christian
> of Islam makes no difference to be think that god will reward you for
> killing another human being. Gods need to fight their own fucking holy
> wars and leave his people out of his business gods be so omniportand
> and great why do gods need men to battle for them. As far as I'm
> concerned any god who would do such can go to hell and I will not
> serve such a god. The kingdom of god is better served in the present
> and I don't know any god in the Christian religion who professes
> killing and persecuting people; vengeance is mine saith the lord! The
> insane philosophies that your buddies in the ME would have us
> Americans believe is the problem. That of war and revenge who feed the
> military industrial complex and flaunt fear among us as propaganda to
> retaliate in fear the same old shit you people have been doing for
> eons. to wit
> The destroyers of the old are the creators of the new.
> As time sweeps on the old passes away and the new in its turn becomes
> old.
> There is in the intellectual world, as in the physical, decay and
> growth, and ever by the grave of buried age stand youth and joy.
> The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of
> infidels, political rights have been preserved by traitors, the
> liberty of mind by heretics.
> To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy.
> For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they
> attacked the rights of man. They defended each other.
> The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg.
> James I. said: "No bishop, no king." He might have added: "No cross,
> no crown." The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls.
> One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by
> fear -- both robbers, both beggars.
> These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made
> laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God,
> both were the agents of the Infinite.
> With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with
> wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other.
> If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and
> every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain.
> The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both.
> The king said to the people. "God made you peasants, and He made me
> king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels
> for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to
> command. Such is the justice of God."
> And the priest said; "God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy
> and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to
> me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment
> you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God."
> "You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict --
> contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears
> to hear let him hear." Heaven was a question of ears.
> Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been
> heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men
> of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their
> fellow-men.
> It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness?
> A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of
> thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and
> mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of
> thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does
> not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to
> happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others.
> A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes
> changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast
> multitudes would be barbarians now.
> A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's
> night, an inspiration and a prophecy.
> Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any
> man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but
> not greatness.
> The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness
> is from within.
> The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they
> are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul;
> they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the
> lives of many millions with love and song.
> They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life
> with the triumphs of genius.
> They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear,
> who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their
> thrones.
> They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the
> kings of the useful who have civilized this world.
> At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire,
> whose memory we are honoring tonight.
> Peace,
> Doc
> On Apr 7, 6:19 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bill, the trouble is the Christian world has been corrupted by
> > Liberalism and Multiculturalism. These Torjan Horses were planted by
> > those cunning Arabs.
> > On 7 Apr, 06:39, Bill <sean_sann...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > elle you can run but you can't hide from the unpleasantries told to
> > > you in my previous post.
> > > I see you dodge posts that challenge you.
> > > On Apr 5, 5:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > > > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > > > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > > > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> > > Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
> > > turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
> > > like its a bad word.
> > > It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
> > > you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
> > > Islam.
> Greatness, and morality are the products of individuals, who go
> against the prevailing 'truths'. Many never become wealthy, and many
> die in obscurity. Like the ancient Hebrews, we execute our prophets.
> We may not behead them, or nail them to trees, but all too often they
> are belittled or ignored, at least until they wander away, in despair.
> My own father frequently talked about our over dependence on fossil
> fuels beginning forty years ago, but few wanted to listen. He died
> alone, with a few friends, about four years ago. What many realize
> now is that perhaps he was right.
> What is even worse, is that since 1980, we thought that we were God's
> chosen, and thus could do no wrong. Rather than practice any sort of
> self control, that was a construct that was left to the poorest in our
> communities. Now we have elected a new and different leader (saviour)
> yet we find ourselves disappointed that we must still correct our own
> way of living, in order to find salvation.
> On Apr 7, 11:33 am, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Bull shit! Superstition and insane Armageddon scenarios are what the
> > of some kind of reward in thehere are the problem, whether Christian
> > of Islam makes no difference to be think that god will reward you for
> > killing another human being. Gods need to fight their own fucking holy
> > wars and leave his people out of his business gods be so omniportand
> > and great why do gods need men to battle for them. As far as I'm
> > concerned any god who would do such can go to hell and I will not
> > serve such a god. The kingdom of god is better served in the present
> > and I don't know any god in the Christian religion who professes
> > killing and persecuting people; vengeance is mine saith the lord! The
> > insane philosophies that your buddies in the ME would have us
> > Americans believe is the problem. That of war and revenge who feed the
> > military industrial complex and flaunt fear among us as propaganda to
> > retaliate in fear the same old shit you people have been doing for
> > eons. to wit
> > The destroyers of the old are the creators of the new.
> > As time sweeps on the old passes away and the new in its turn becomes
> > old.
> > There is in the intellectual world, as in the physical, decay and
> > growth, and ever by the grave of buried age stand youth and joy.
> > The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of
> > infidels, political rights have been preserved by traitors, the
> > liberty of mind by heretics.
> > To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy.
> > For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they
> > attacked the rights of man. They defended each other.
> > The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg.
> > James I. said: "No bishop, no king." He might have added: "No cross,
> > no crown." The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls.
> > One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by
> > fear -- both robbers, both beggars.
> > These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made
> > laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God,
> > both were the agents of the Infinite.
> > With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with
> > wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other.
> > If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and
> > every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain.
> > The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both.
> > The king said to the people. "God made you peasants, and He made me
> > king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels
> > for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to
> > command. Such is the justice of God."
> > And the priest said; "God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy
> > and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to
> > me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment
> > you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God."
> > "You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict --
> > contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears
> > to hear let him hear." Heaven was a question of ears.
> > Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been
> > heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men
> > of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their
> > fellow-men.
> > It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness?
> > A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of
> > thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and
> > mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of
> > thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does
> > not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to
> > happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others.
> > A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes
> > changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast
> > multitudes would be barbarians now.
> > A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's
> > night, an inspiration and a prophecy.
> > Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any
> > man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but
> > not greatness.
> > The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness
> > is from within.
> > The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they
> > are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul;
> > they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the
> > lives of many millions with love and song.
> > They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life
> > with the triumphs of genius.
> > They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear,
> > who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their
> > thrones.
> > They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the
> > kings of the useful who have civilized this world.
> > At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire,
> > whose memory we are honoring tonight.
> > Peace,
> > Doc
> > On Apr 7, 6:19 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Bill, the trouble is the Christian world has been corrupted by
> > > Liberalism and Multiculturalism. These Torjan Horses were planted by
> > > those cunning Arabs.
> > > On 7 Apr, 06:39, Bill <sean_sann...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > elle you can run but you can't hide from the unpleasantries told to
> > > > you in my previous post.
> > > > I see you dodge posts that challenge you.
> > > > On Apr 5, 5:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > > > > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > > > > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > > > > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> > > > Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
> > > > turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
> > > > like its a bad word.
> > > > It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
> > > > you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
> > > > Islam.
As some of the white people of South Africa would tell you, they did
have a very comfortable life. the difficulty arrose because a large
portion of the population was denied its fair share of the profits of
the nation. It turned out that many ended up living in a state of
fear, as they came to understand that their way of life was not
sustainable.
On Apr 15, 5:29 pm, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The trouble is most people are in denial of "the bean in their own
> eye."
> On 11 Apr, 16:06, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greatness, and morality are the products of individuals, who go
> > against the prevailing 'truths'. Many never become wealthy, and many
> > die in obscurity. Like the ancient Hebrews, we execute our prophets.
> > We may not behead them, or nail them to trees, but all too often they
> > are belittled or ignored, at least until they wander away, in despair.
> > My own father frequently talked about our over dependence on fossil
> > fuels beginning forty years ago, but few wanted to listen. He died
> > alone, with a few friends, about four years ago. What many realize
> > now is that perhaps he was right.
> > What is even worse, is that since 1980, we thought that we were God's
> > chosen, and thus could do no wrong. Rather than practice any sort of
> > self control, that was a construct that was left to the poorest in our
> > communities. Now we have elected a new and different leader (saviour)
> > yet we find ourselves disappointed that we must still correct our own
> > way of living, in order to find salvation.
> > > Bull shit! Superstition and insane Armageddon scenarios are what the
> > > of some kind of reward in thehere are the problem, whether Christian
> > > of Islam makes no difference to be think that god will reward you for
> > > killing another human being. Gods need to fight their own fucking holy
> > > wars and leave his people out of his business gods be so omniportand
> > > and great why do gods need men to battle for them. As far as I'm
> > > concerned any god who would do such can go to hell and I will not
> > > serve such a god. The kingdom of god is better served in the present
> > > and I don't know any god in the Christian religion who professes
> > > killing and persecuting people; vengeance is mine saith the lord! The
> > > insane philosophies that your buddies in the ME would have us
> > > Americans believe is the problem. That of war and revenge who feed the
> > > military industrial complex and flaunt fear among us as propaganda to
> > > retaliate in fear the same old shit you people have been doing for
> > > eons. to wit
> > > The destroyers of the old are the creators of the new.
> > > As time sweeps on the old passes away and the new in its turn becomes
> > > old.
> > > There is in the intellectual world, as in the physical, decay and
> > > growth, and ever by the grave of buried age stand youth and joy.
> > > The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of
> > > infidels, political rights have been preserved by traitors, the
> > > liberty of mind by heretics.
> > > To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy.
> > > For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they
> > > attacked the rights of man. They defended each other.
> > > The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg.
> > > James I. said: "No bishop, no king." He might have added: "No cross,
> > > no crown." The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls.
> > > One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by
> > > fear -- both robbers, both beggars.
> > > These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made
> > > laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God,
> > > both were the agents of the Infinite.
> > > With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with
> > > wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other.
> > > If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and
> > > every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain.
> > > The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both.
> > > The king said to the people. "God made you peasants, and He made me
> > > king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels
> > > for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to
> > > command. Such is the justice of God."
> > > And the priest said; "God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy
> > > and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to
> > > me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment
> > > you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God."
> > > "You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict --
> > > contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears
> > > to hear let him hear." Heaven was a question of ears.
> > > Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been
> > > heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men
> > > of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their
> > > fellow-men.
> > > It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness?
> > > A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of
> > > thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and
> > > mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of
> > > thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does
> > > not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to
> > > happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others.
> > > A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes
> > > changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast
> > > multitudes would be barbarians now.
> > > A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's
> > > night, an inspiration and a prophecy.
> > > Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any
> > > man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but
> > > not greatness.
> > > The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness
> > > is from within.
> > > The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they
> > > are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul;
> > > they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the
> > > lives of many millions with love and song.
> > > They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life
> > > with the triumphs of genius.
> > > They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear,
> > > who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their
> > > thrones.
> > > They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the
> > > kings of the useful who have civilized this world.
> > > At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire,
> > > whose memory we are honoring tonight.
> > > Peace,
> > > Doc
> > > On Apr 7, 6:19 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Bill, the trouble is the Christian world has been corrupted by
> > > > Liberalism and Multiculturalism. These Torjan Horses were planted by
> > > > those cunning Arabs.
> > > > On 7 Apr, 06:39, Bill <sean_sann...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > elle you can run but you can't hide from the unpleasantries told to
> > > > > you in my previous post.
> > > > > I see you dodge posts that challenge you.
> > > > > On Apr 5, 5:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > > > > > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > > > > > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > > > > > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> > > > > Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
> > > > > turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
> > > > > like its a bad word.
> > > > > It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
> > > > > you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
> > > > > Islam.
> The trouble is most people are in denial of "the bean in their own
> eye."
> On 11 Apr, 16:06, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greatness, and morality are the products of individuals, who go
> > against the prevailing 'truths'. Many never become wealthy, and many
> > die in obscurity. Like the ancient Hebrews, we execute our prophets.
> > We may not behead them, or nail them to trees, but all too often they
> > are belittled or ignored, at least until they wander away, in despair.
> > My own father frequently talked about our over dependence on fossil
> > fuels beginning forty years ago, but few wanted to listen. He died
> > alone, with a few friends, about four years ago. What many realize
> > now is that perhaps he was right.
> > What is even worse, is that since 1980, we thought that we were God's
> > chosen, and thus could do no wrong. Rather than practice any sort of
> > self control, that was a construct that was left to the poorest in our
> > communities. Now we have elected a new and different leader (saviour)
> > yet we find ourselves disappointed that we must still correct our own
> > way of living, in order to find salvation.
> > > Bull shit! Superstition and insane Armageddon scenarios are what the
> > > of some kind of reward in thehere are the problem, whether Christian
> > > of Islam makes no difference to be think that god will reward you for
> > > killing another human being. Gods need to fight their own fucking holy
> > > wars and leave his people out of his business gods be so omniportand
> > > and great why do gods need men to battle for them. As far as I'm
> > > concerned any god who would do such can go to hell and I will not
> > > serve such a god. The kingdom of god is better served in the present
> > > and I don't know any god in the Christian religion who professes
> > > killing and persecuting people; vengeance is mine saith the lord! The
> > > insane philosophies that your buddies in the ME would have us
> > > Americans believe is the problem. That of war and revenge who feed the
> > > military industrial complex and flaunt fear among us as propaganda to
> > > retaliate in fear the same old shit you people have been doing for
> > > eons. to wit
> > > The destroyers of the old are the creators of the new.
> > > As time sweeps on the old passes away and the new in its turn becomes
> > > old.
> > > There is in the intellectual world, as in the physical, decay and
> > > growth, and ever by the grave of buried age stand youth and joy.
> > > The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of
> > > infidels, political rights have been preserved by traitors, the
> > > liberty of mind by heretics.
> > > To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy.
> > > For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they
> > > attacked the rights of man. They defended each other.
> > > The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg.
> > > James I. said: "No bishop, no king." He might have added: "No cross,
> > > no crown." The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls.
> > > One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by
> > > fear -- both robbers, both beggars.
> > > These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made
> > > laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God,
> > > both were the agents of the Infinite.
> > > With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with
> > > wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other.
> > > If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and
> > > every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain.
> > > The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both.
> > > The king said to the people. "God made you peasants, and He made me
> > > king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels
> > > for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to
> > > command. Such is the justice of God."
> > > And the priest said; "God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy
> > > and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to
> > > me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment
> > > you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God."
> > > "You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict --
> > > contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears
> > > to hear let him hear." Heaven was a question of ears.
> > > Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been
> > > heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men
> > > of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their
> > > fellow-men.
> > > It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness?
> > > A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of
> > > thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and
> > > mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of
> > > thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does
> > > not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to
> > > happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others.
> > > A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes
> > > changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast
> > > multitudes would be barbarians now.
> > > A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's
> > > night, an inspiration and a prophecy.
> > > Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any
> > > man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but
> > > not greatness.
> > > The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness
> > > is from within.
> > > The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they
> > > are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul;
> > > they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the
> > > lives of many millions with love and song.
> > > They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life
> > > with the triumphs of genius.
> > > They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear,
> > > who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their
> > > thrones.
> > > They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the
> > > kings of the useful who have civilized this world.
> > > At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire,
> > > whose memory we are honoring tonight.
> > > Peace,
> > > Doc
> > > On Apr 7, 6:19 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Bill, the trouble is the Christian world has been corrupted by
> > > > Liberalism and Multiculturalism. These Torjan Horses were planted by
> > > > those cunning Arabs.
> > > > On 7 Apr, 06:39, Bill <sean_sann...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > elle you can run but you can't hide from the unpleasantries told to
> > > > > you in my previous post.
> > > > > I see you dodge posts that challenge you.
> > > > > On Apr 5, 5:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Obama as well as the G20 agreed that better supervision and regulation
> > > > > > was needed in the financial sector. Also no nation must retreat to
> > > > > > isolationism or protectionism. Surely this must come? These concepts
> > > > > > are different to past American thinking? Has a new era arrived?
> > > > > Its globalism that got us in the mess we are in. People like you have
> > > > > turned an nation's ability to protect its industries as Protectionism
> > > > > like its a bad word.
> > > > > It would behoove the UK if it did practice a little Isolationism, as
> > > > > you are being eaten alive and you Sir will kneel before the Sword of
> > > > > Islam.
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