Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
"Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
Muslim country since becoming US president.
He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
alliance's next secretary general.
Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
Muslim world.
But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
"He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."
Before any one gets too excited about the Turks, it is necessary to a
number of impertinent questions, the first being about the Kurds, and
Kurdistan, which would claim some Turkish land. Then there is also the
issue of the Armenian genocide of 1917, which to date Turkey has not
acknowledged, much less offered some sort of competition to the
survivors.
> Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
> "Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
> Muslim country since becoming US president.
> He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
> which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
> Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
> support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
> He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
> Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
> Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
> where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
> Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
> alliance's next secretary general.
> Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
> the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
> cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
> Muslim world.
> But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
> Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
> "He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
> positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."
I assume you mean "compensation" or "acknowledgement"? I believe
Turkey want to wipe the slate clean regarding the genocide of Armenia
in order to portray a more civilised side of Islamic Turkey. But of
course that is impossible because either you submit to the Will of
Allah are are Muslim or you are not a Muslim. There is no half-way
house in Islam.
On 12 Apr, 17:33, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Before any one gets too excited about the Turks, it is necessary to a
> number of impertinent questions, the first being about the Kurds, and
> Kurdistan, which would claim some Turkish land. Then there is also the
> issue of the Armenian genocide of 1917, which to date Turkey has not
> acknowledged, much less offered some sort of competition to the
> survivors.
> On Apr 6, 6:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
> > "Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
> > Muslim country since becoming US president.
> > He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
> > which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
> > Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
> > support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
> > He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
> > Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
> > Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
> > where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
> > Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
> > alliance's next secretary general.
> > Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
> > the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
> > cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
> > Muslim world.
> > But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
> > Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
> > "He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
> > positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."
> I assume you mean "compensation" or "acknowledgement"? I believe
> Turkey want to wipe the slate clean regarding the genocide of Armenia
> in order to portray a more civilised side of Islamic Turkey. But of
> course that is impossible because either you submit to the Will of
> Allah are are Muslim or you are not a Muslim. There is no half-way
> house in Islam.
> On 12 Apr, 17:33, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Before any one gets too excited about the Turks, it is necessary to a
> > number of impertinent questions, the first being about the Kurds, and
> > Kurdistan, which would claim some Turkish land. Then there is also the
> > issue of the Armenian genocide of 1917, which to date Turkey has not
> > acknowledged, much less offered some sort of competition to the
> > survivors.
> > On Apr 6, 6:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
> > > "Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
> > > Muslim country since becoming US president.
> > > He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
> > > which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
> > > Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
> > > support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
> > > He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
> > > Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
> > > Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
> > > where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
> > > Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
> > > alliance's next secretary general.
> > > Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
> > > the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
> > > cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
> > > Muslim world.
> > > But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
> > > Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
> > > "He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
> > > positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."
> On Apr 13, 5:09 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I assume you mean "compensation" or "acknowledgement"? I believe
> > Turkey want to wipe the slate clean regarding the genocide of Armenia
> > in order to portray a more civilised side of Islamic Turkey. But of
> > course that is impossible because either you submit to the Will of
> > Allah are are Muslim or you are not a Muslim. There is no half-way
> > house in Islam.
> > On 12 Apr, 17:33, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Before any one gets too excited about the Turks, it is necessary to a
> > > number of impertinent questions, the first being about the Kurds, and
> > > Kurdistan, which would claim some Turkish land. Then there is also the
> > > issue of the Armenian genocide of 1917, which to date Turkey has not
> > > acknowledged, much less offered some sort of competition to the
> > > survivors.
> > > On Apr 6, 6:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
> > > > "Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
> > > > Muslim country since becoming US president.
> > > > He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
> > > > which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
> > > > Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
> > > > support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
> > > > He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
> > > > Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
> > > > Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
> > > > where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
> > > > Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
> > > > alliance's next secretary general.
> > > > Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
> > > > the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
> > > > cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
> > > > Muslim world.
> > > > But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
> > > > Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
> > > > "He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
> > > > positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."
Last report I saw, was that it remains a crime to report on the
incident, as is the situation for the Kurds. The Turks have been able
to live in an Islamic culture for close to a thousand years. There are
almost as many sects of Islam, as there are of Protestant
Christianity. Each has a different approach to the comprehension of
their 'scriptures'.
I remain with the idea that fanaticism is not unique to Islam, but
when fanatics Christians meet with Fanatic Muslims, accomodation is
very unlikely. What I am even more concerned is that the more tolerant
members of the Islamic community, as well as the more learned
theologians are not being heard through the discussion and bythe
governments in the West. The danger arrises is when the mose tolerant
are forced into taking the Fundamentalist view, and that is the only
version we hear. Keep in mind that fundamentalist Christians also
believe that every word in Bible is the word of God and ABSOLUTELY
TRUE. I regularly must do business with such, and just because I
disagree with them, doesn't mean that I am (going to Hell)
On Apr 15, 5:22 pm, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 13, 5:09 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I assume you mean "compensation" or "acknowledgement"? I believe
> > > Turkey want to wipe the slate clean regarding the genocide of Armenia
> > > in order to portray a more civilised side of Islamic Turkey. But of
> > > course that is impossible because either you submit to the Will of
> > > Allah are are Muslim or you are not a Muslim. There is no half-way
> > > house in Islam.
> > > On 12 Apr, 17:33, margareth <mzeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Before any one gets too excited about the Turks, it is necessary to a
> > > > number of impertinent questions, the first being about the Kurds, and
> > > > Kurdistan, which would claim some Turkish land. Then there is also the
> > > > issue of the Armenian genocide of 1917, which to date Turkey has not
> > > > acknowledged, much less offered some sort of competition to the
> > > > survivors.
> > > > On Apr 6, 6:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
> > > > > "Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
> > > > > Muslim country since becoming US president.
> > > > > He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
> > > > > which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
> > > > > Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
> > > > > support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
> > > > > He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
> > > > > Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
> > > > > Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
> > > > > where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
> > > > > Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
> > > > > alliance's next secretary general.
> > > > > Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
> > > > > the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
> > > > > cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
> > > > > Muslim world.
> > > > > But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
> > > > > Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
> > > > > "He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
> > > > > positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."- Hide quoted text -
> Last report I saw, was that it remains a crime to report on the
> incident, as is the situation for the Kurds. The Turks have been able
> to live in an Islamic culture for close to a thousand years. There are
> almost as many sects of Islam, as there are of Protestant
> Christianity. Each has a different approach to the comprehension of
> their 'scriptures'.
> I remain with the idea that fanaticism is not unique to Islam, but
> when fanatics Christians meet with Fanatic Muslims, accomodation is
> very unlikely. What I am even more concerned is that the more tolerant
> members of the Islamic community, as well as the more learned
> theologians are not being heard through the discussion and bythe
> governments in the West. The danger arrises is when the mose tolerant
> are forced into taking the Fundamentalist view, and that is the only
> version we hear. Keep in mind that fundamentalist Christians also
> believe that every word in Bible is the word of God and ABSOLUTELY
> TRUE. I regularly must do business with such, and just because I
> disagree with them, doesn't mean that I am (going to Hell)
> On Apr 15, 5:22 pm, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gordon Nikel is naive about Islam.
> > On 15 Apr, 13:12, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Apr 13, 5:09 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I assume you mean "compensation" or "acknowledgement"? I believe
> > > > Turkey want to wipe the slate clean regarding the genocide of Armenia
> > > > in order to portray a more civilised side of Islamic Turkey. But of
> > > > course that is impossible because either you submit to the Will of
> > > > Allah are are Muslim or you are not a Muslim. There is no half-way
> > > > house in Islam.
> > > > > Before any one gets too excited about the Turks, it is necessary to a
> > > > > number of impertinent questions, the first being about the Kurds, and
> > > > > Kurdistan, which would claim some Turkish land. Then there is also the
> > > > > issue of the Armenian genocide of 1917, which to date Turkey has not
> > > > > acknowledged, much less offered some sort of competition to the
> > > > > survivors.
> > > > > On Apr 6, 6:47 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Why is Obama trying to foist a Muslim Trojan Horse on to the EU?
> > > > > > "Barack Obama is visiting Turkey - his first trip to a predominantly
> > > > > > Muslim country since becoming US president.
> > > > > > He is expected to try to revitalise ties with the Turkish government,
> > > > > > which have deteriorated in recent years because of the war in Iraq.
> > > > > > Turkish President Abdullah Gul greeted Mr Obama, who has voiced
> > > > > > support for Turkey's efforts to join the EU.
> > > > > > He said Turkey's accession would send an important signal to the
> > > > > > Muslim world and firmly anchor it within Europe.
> > > > > > Before his visit, the US leader attended a Nato summit in France,
> > > > > > where he helped to overcome Turkey's objection to Danish Prime
> > > > > > Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment as the military
> > > > > > alliance's next secretary general.
> > > > > > Turkey had initially blocked his appointment because he had defended
> > > > > > the right of one of his country's newspapers to publish controversial
> > > > > > cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which caused outrage in much of the
> > > > > > Muslim world.
> > > > > > But Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Mr
> > > > > > Obama's support had helped to assuage his country's concerns.
> > > > > > "He put forth a lot of positive energy," he said. "We responded
> > > > > > positively to this. We hope that the promises made are kept."- Hide quoted text -
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