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On leaving Pease House : a Reflection on Prejudice

chris_close_2...@yahoo.co.uk (Chris Close) — Wed, 11 Nov 2008 21:47:12 UT

Chris Close
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Re: collective action gets easier?

j...@taylor34.eclipse.co.uk (Jon Taylor) — Sun, 10 Oct 2008 17:42:18 UT

penny
we had an excellent meeting last week: Dave Hannay, Jan Booker, Dave Ekton,
John Shiers and myself. we are going to take it slowly and prepare well so
will probably not have a wider meeting till March/April next year but do a
lot of preparatory work meanwhile - contacts, build up a list of people we

killing the innocent - let's start a clamour

chris_close_2...@yahoo.co.uk (Chris Close) — Sat, 10 Oct 2008 13:32:58 UT

Jean Charles de Menezes RIP but let's not forget him

Link to updated blog below
Chris Close
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Re: collective action gets easier?

j...@taylor34.eclipse.co.uk (Jon Taylor) — Tue, 10 Oct 2008 13:18:39 UT

Penny
John Shiers, Dave Hannay + Jan Booker (Community North West) and I are
meeting on Thursday to discuss setting up a regional meeting of/for NCIA.
If we can find a convenient date, can you and/or Andy join us ? Perhaps you
could give me some dates in November (Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays only)

Re: Saved by the Tories?

tonymtay...@gmail.com (Tony Taylor) — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:57:27 UT

And on cue the Liberal Democrats declare their commitment to the autonomy of
the voluntary sector, especially the minnows. Go to
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Tony
2008/9/15 Jon Taylor <j...@taylor34.eclipse.co.uk>

Re: Saved by the Tories?

j...@taylor34.eclipse.co.uk (Jon Taylor) — Mon, 09 Sep 2008 19:24:37 UT

Penny
Forgot to mention: just got Paths to Justice from my library.
Jon
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Re: Saved by the Tories?

chris_close_2...@yahoo.co.uk (Chris Close) — Mon, 09 Sep 2008 17:55:25 UT

I think all politicians are in essence self serving self loving egotists.

That does not mean however, that we cannot work with them but there needs to be 'meat' on the bones of any discussions with them about the future of the sector.

At the moment all I see from central government is more and more being downloaded to local Government with no real pledge to the so called third sector(the demise of the learning and skills council being a case in point).

Re: Saved by the Tories?

tonymtay...@gmail.com (Tony Taylor) — Mon, 09 Sep 2008 17:49:19 UT

Penny
In an obvious bid as a Topsy-Turvyist to protect the integrity of
Topsy-Turvyism, which aspires to turn the world upside down, I don't reckon
Cameron and the Tories are in any sense topsy-turvy.
The dilemma for us and for them is that all the parties accept the
neo-liberal agenda, but need to try to differentiate themselves from one

Re: Saved by the Tories?

j...@taylor34.eclipse.co.uk (Jon Taylor) — Mon, 09 Sep 2008 12:28:18 UT

Penny
A quick response (we're in the middle of packing !). You should have spelt
'sic' - 'sick'. The last sentence of the first paragraph of the piece I
wrote for John and myself make it clear: the tory inducements will be even
greater, the trap that much deeper. We enter at our peril. I will read

Saved by the Tories?

i...@penandy.co.uk (penny) — Mon, 09 Sep 2008 11:01:56 UT

Well isn't it a topsy turvy world. Seems like the Tory's plans for
voluntary action aren't a million miles away from the Coalition's. Do
we trust them (don't all respond at once)? What's behind their benign
approach (too busy to bother with us or an agenda which allows massive
withdrawal of funds from voluntary action)? Who's advising them and

Re: collective action gets easier?

j...@proself.demon.co.uk (Jan McHugh) — Wed, 09 Sep 2008 01:03:05 UT

It IS happening all over the place... and to good effect (e.g. Make
Poverty History campaign...).
For some good examples / organisations / efforts / people see:
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Re: collective action gets easier?

tonymtay...@gmail.com (Tony Taylor) — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:54:58 UT

Penny
I'm a sad soul. Thirty seconds into the video and the guy irritated me!
Probably too much local red. I'll try again tomorrow seriously.
Yia sou
Tony
2008/9/9 penny <i...@penandy.co.uk>

collective action gets easier?

i...@penandy.co.uk (penny) — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:57:41 UT

I've just watched a video by Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes
Everybody. which is about organising without organisations - mostly
about use of electronic tools for social change and collective action.

here's the link: [link]

is this really true? if it's true why isn't social change easier and

Re: Long-Term unemployed could be forced to help charities

j...@taylor34.eclipse.co.uk (Jon Taylor) — Sun, 08 Aug 2008 13:57:08 UT

"in fact it is now probably too late to try and save or resurrect an
'indpendent' voluntary sector as there are hardly any people who
believe or have experienced that working in the "Third Sector" any
more"

The above is a quotation from an understandably despairing Grace the other
week. I wrote briefly to say that it is never too late but we need to be

Re: Long-Term unemployed could be forced to help charities

grace.firest...@googlemail.com (grace) — Sun, 08 Aug 2008 12:42:13 UT

Thanks for responding to my post - nothing worse than writing
something and it just echos into silence!

So whilst not ignoring the specific issues / possible new coalitions,
I think what I am trying to grapple with, and I don't know of anyone
who has thought of a way round it, is that however many autonomous or