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Michael Harnois  
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From: mharn...@sbt.net (Michael Harnois)
Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
Am I the only one for whom 2.1.123 fbcon.c doesn't compile?

gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/src/linux-2.1.108/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe  -march=pentium -DCPU=586   -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c fbcon.c
fbcon.c: In function `fbcon_setup':
fbcon.c:505: too few arguments to function `set_palette'
fbcon.c: In function `fbcon_scroll':
fbcon.c:1016: `SM_LEFT' undeclared (first use in this function)
fbcon.c:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
fbcon.c:1016: for each function it appears in.)
fbcon.c:1021: `SM_RIGHT' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[3]: *** [fbcon.o] Error 1

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Geert Uytterhoeven  
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From: Geert.Uytterhoe...@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Geert Uytterhoeven)
Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

Please don't waste your time on creating these patches. These things are
functional in the vger tree (ftp://vger.rutgers.edu/pub/linux/README.CVS).

Greetings,

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From: torva...@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
In article <Pine.LNX.4.03.9809282005090.17348-100...@mercator.cs.kuleuven.ac.be>,
Geert Uytterhoeven  <Geert.Uytterhoe...@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:

>Please don't waste your time on creating these patches. These things are
>functional in the vger tree (ftp://vger.rutgers.edu/pub/linux/README.CVS).

He's not wasting time.

I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
misguided.

                Linus

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Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
On 28 Sep 1998, Michael Harnois wrote:

> Am I the only one for whom 2.1.123 fbcon.c doesn't compile?

> gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/src/linux-2.1.108/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe  -march=pentium -DCPU=586   -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c fbcon.c
> fbcon.c: In function `fbcon_setup':
> fbcon.c:505: too few arguments to function `set_palette'
> fbcon.c: In function `fbcon_scroll':
> fbcon.c:1016: `SM_LEFT' undeclared (first use in this function)
> fbcon.c:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> fbcon.c:1016: for each function it appears in.)
> fbcon.c:1021: `SM_RIGHT' undeclared (first use in this function)
> make[3]: *** [fbcon.o] Error 1

Same error here. Its probably missing an include or something.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
We're painfully aware of this.  We do sync up with you though, so the vger
tree does have what he needs along with your changes.

}I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
}thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
}misguided.

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From: sl...@ixion.honeywell.com (Shawn Leas)
Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

Linus: Please please please please please sync the official tree
up with vger, I and many others can't use CVS, and it seems
that it is increasingly the only way to get a functional kernel
with framebuffer support.

Screw it, maybe I'll just hack a shell acct somewhere and CVS
from somewhere else.

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From: sl...@ixion.honeywell.com (Shawn Leas)
Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
On 28 Sep 1998, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> In article <Pine.LNX.4.03.9809282005090.17348-100...@mercator.cs.kuleuven.ac.be>,
> Geert Uytterhoeven  <Geert.Uytterhoe...@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:

> >Please don't waste your time on creating these patches. These things are
> >functional in the vger tree (ftp://vger.rutgers.edu/pub/linux/README.CVS).

> He's not wasting time.

> I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
> thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
> misguided.

>            Linus

Don't take this the wrong way, but can we expect framebuffer support to
work from now on?

If the primary/only difference between vger and the official tree is
framebuffer support, and what's in the official tree is older or broken,
it almost makes more sense to remove it than keep old or broken code.

I am by NO MEANS knowledgable in this arena, but just don't like broken
kernels.

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Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On 28 Sep 1998 09:41:38 -500   Michael Harnois wrote:

>Am I the only one for whom 2.1.123 fbcon.c doesn't compile?

Same problem here with 123
Len

>gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/src/linux-2.1.108/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe  -march=pentium -DCPU=586   -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c fbcon.c
>fbcon.c: In function `fbcon_setup':
>fbcon.c:505: too few arguments to function `set_palette'
>fbcon.c: In function `fbcon_scroll':
>fbcon.c:1016: `SM_LEFT' undeclared (first use in this function)
>fbcon.c:1016: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
>fbcon.c:1016: for each function it appears in.)
>fbcon.c:1021: `SM_RIGHT' undeclared (first use in this function)
>make[3]: *** [fbcon.o] Error 1

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From: torva...@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Cort Dougan wrote:

> We're painfully aware of this.  We do sync up with you though, so the vger
> tree does have what he needs along with your changes.

> }I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
> }thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
> }misguided.

Note that saying "it's in vger, so you're wasting your time" is still
completely and utterly stupid. The fact that it is in vger has absolutely
no bearing, especially as there's a _lot_ of stuff in vger that will
probably never make it into 2.2.

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Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.03.9809282005090.17348-100...@mercator.cs.kuleuven.ac.be>,
> Geert Uytterhoeven  <Geert.Uytterhoe...@cs.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:

> >Please don't waste your time on creating these patches. These things are
> >functional in the vger tree (ftp://vger.rutgers.edu/pub/linux/README.CVS).

> He's not wasting time.

He is.

Besides, his patches were incorrect.

> I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
> thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
> misguided.

In that case, please disable CONFIG_FB completely on the Intel platform, so I
won't see any complaints about it anymore. And be sure 2.2 will support less
platforms than 2.0. Other platforms rely on an up-to-date drivers/video.

_I_ am used to getting other patches to make things work on my machines, but
unfortunately other's aren't...

Greetings,

                                                Geert

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Date: 1998/09/28
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

torva...@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds) writes:
> He's not wasting time.

This particular patch, however, looked to be a partial undo of
something that was the result of an fbcon patch in 2.1.123 being
broken. I'd rather have the rest of the patch that should have been
applied in 2.1.123, given my druthers.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

How about allowing the fixes in?  Broken kernels, or, more
correctly, kernels with broken console code, suk.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
Please look back over the messages again.  Someone already posted a fix for it.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> > I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
> > thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
> > misguided.

> In that case, please disable CONFIG_FB completely on the Intel platform, so I
> won't see any complaints about it anymore. And be sure 2.2 will support less
> platforms than 2.0. Other platforms rely on an up-to-date drivers/video.

I won't disable it, I will just hope that responsible people send me
reasonable patches. I put my foot down on the hundred-megabyte patches I
was continually getting from the console people, and I want to have the
problem fixed as much as the next person.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Shawn Leas wrote:

> Don't take this the wrong way, but can we expect framebuffer support to
> work from now on?

I don't expect fb to work _now_. No. I expect it to be fixed. I don't
expect it to be fixed by people just pointing at vger and not sending me
reasonable patches.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Shawn Leas wrote:

> How about allowing the fixes in?  Broken kernels, or, more
> correctly, kernels with broken console code, suk.

Yes. I applied the small patch already. It may be broken, but at least
somebody tried to make a minimal patch which was more than other people
have done so far.

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Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 07:57:53PM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I have stopped synching up to vger a _long_ time ago.  Anybody who still
> thinks vger has _any_ relevance to the standard kernel is very much
> misguided.

>            Linus

And you think it's a good idea to have the linux community divide into to
parts: The Linus party and the VGER party?
One of the problems of free software is to have one version accepted as the
standard one and to have people fix this one and not their highly
customized one.
Don't do that!

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Date: 1998/09/29
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Shawn Leas wrote:

> > How about allowing the fixes in?  Broken kernels, or, more
> > correctly, kernels with broken console code, suk.

> Yes. I applied the small patch already. It may be broken, but at least
> somebody tried to make a minimal patch which was more than other people
> have done so far.

>            Linus

Sorry if I sounded rude, as I probably did.  I just don't
know how vger differs precisely from the official tree,
so it's hard for me to get a solid grasp on whether vger has
1) better concole code 2) different console code or
3) other stupid differences.  Sorry for making uninformed
pleas to sync up with vger.  I was under the impression
that the vger tree was just "more up to date console code",
as it has been presented to be.

As stated, I don't have CVS due to firewall restrictions,
and so I can't even begin to compare the two.  Can someone
clue me in on vger a little more???  I guess what I [along
with everyone else who doesn't actually run a vger kernel]
would like to know is what is different, is it just the
console code?  How far apart are they [the two trees]?
Why has Linus, in your opinion not synced up with vger for
quite some time?, Or, more appropriately, what reasons has
he stated in the past?  I'm just curious, and please don't
take this as a criticism to anyone.

Please, don't point to that damn README.CVS again.  It doesn't
answer ANY questions other than saying firewallers like me are
screwed unless they are given more access.

"For those of you behind firewalls, you will need access to
TCP port 2401 on vger from your machine." DAMN IT!!!

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Linus Torvalds  
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From: torva...@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
Date: 1998/09/29
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Kurt Garloff wrote:

> And you think it's a good idea to have the linux community divide into to
> parts: The Linus party and the VGER party?

No. I've tried to tell the vger people that.

The problem is that some people think that once they are in vger, they're
golden and no longer have to worry. Those kinds of people I don't care
about, I don't want to hear about, and I refuse to discuss with.

David Miller spent an inordinate amount of time in getting the crap out of
vger. That's good. He then sent me patches to sync up the parts he thought
were fine. That's even better.

The problem is that there's a ton of patches on vger, and some people do
not understand the issue of "Code Freeze". They think that just because
they had access to the CVS tree, they got under the code freeze somehow. I
won't bother educating them any more.

I'm still open to bug fixes, but they had better not be "go look at vger,
some of the stuff there is bug-fixes". Anybody who thinks that that kind
of approach works is pretty misguided.

                Linus

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From: hagop...@vuser.vu.union.edu (Rob Hagopian)
Date: 1998/09/29
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
Check out ftp://ftp.vu.union.edu/pub/users/hagopiar/linuxcvs.tar.gz if you
can't use CVS... It's a clean tree, updated every evening... If there's
demand, I'll store the last few and do diffs of them, let me know.
Although I'd really look into getting CVS for your machine, it's out for
most every platform I know of...
                                                                -Rob H.

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Shawn Leas wrote:
> Linus: Please please please please please sync the official tree
> up with vger, I and many others can't use CVS, and it seems
> that it is increasingly the only way to get a functional kernel
> with framebuffer support.

> Screw it, maybe I'll just hack a shell acct somewhere and CVS
> from somewhere else.

> -Shawn

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Date: 1998/09/29
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

        If the patch works and is appropriate, who cares if the diff is
generated from someone's own tree or from "cvs diff" on the vger tree??

Jon

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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> reasonable patches. I put my foot down on the hundred-megabyte patches I
> was continually getting from the console people, and I want to have the
> problem fixed as much as the next person.

Wow!  How does one manage to generate a hundred megabyte patch?  I don't have
the latest kernels, but "find . -type f | xargs cat | wc" tells me I've only
only got 40 megabytes of kernel source, so even if they completely rewrote
every file, they should only be sending you 80 megabytes or so! :-)  What
in heavens name are they doing?

--Tim Smith

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Debursky, Po-Sheng Ko  
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Date: 1998/09/29
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c
I care !

In a family, should have one person to rule. It's from God.
Don't break rule, Jon.

Linus, go ahead !

Debursky

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Date: 1998/09/29
Subject: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Tim Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > reasonable patches. I put my foot down on the hundred-megabyte patches I
> > was continually getting from the console people, and I want to have the
> > problem fixed as much as the next person.

> Wow!  How does one manage to generate a hundred megabyte patch?  I don't have
> the latest kernels, but "find . -type f | xargs cat | wc" tells me I've only
> only got 40 megabytes of kernel source, so even if they completely rewrote
> every file, they should only be sending you 80 megabytes or so! :-)  What
> in heavens name are they doing?

Ok, that was pretty funny actually..  But, let us remember that
Linus does not just blindly gunzip -c patch.gz | patch -p1
EndOfStory like us mere mortals...  He actually has to grok the
thing before hand.

Anyway, I know we all like to joke, but probably don't hear
or understand Linus's side of the story all the time... Geert
and the console bunch ALSO have legit xarguments tew...  Just
Linus doesn't like volitility and the extra vger differences.

-Shawn
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Martin Mares  
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From: m...@ucw.cz (Martin Mares)
Date: 1998/09/29
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Hello,

> David Miller spent an inordinate amount of time in getting the crap out of
> vger. That's good. He then sent me patches to sync up the parts he thought
> were fine. That's even better.

> The problem is that there's a ton of patches on vger, and some people do
> not understand the issue of "Code Freeze". They think that just because
> they had access to the CVS tree, they got under the code freeze somehow. I
> won't bother educating them any more.

   No, the vger tree is code-frozen as well. The only large difference between
your tree and vger are the console drivers.

   Some time ago, you promised you'll accept a single large video patch before
2.2 and I did send it to you, but I got ignored. The whole patch has no effect
on non-experimental i386 configuration, but it's essential to get almost all
other architectures work -- I really don't want to have the same situation
in 2.2 as we did in 2.0 where only i386 and Alpha were compilable from your
tree and all other architectures needed lots of patches. Please tell me what
should I do.

                                Have a nice fortnight
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