Today I received the following threat in e-mail from Eric Raymond. The message was copied to the Silicon Valley Linux User's Group officers, who you may consult regarding its authenticity. The police have been notified.
Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely.
Thanks
Bruce Perens
> Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like > that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize > the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- > and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
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[ESR wrote:] > > Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like > > that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize > > the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- > > and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
I think that most people in the Linux community will find this behaviour objectionable in the extreme. If ESR wanted to rally people round in his defense ('understand my job', etc.), he's just taken one of his many firearms and shot himself in the foot.
It's fairly obvious who is 'behav[ing] like [a] disruptive asshole,' and 'jeopardiz[ing] the interests of our entire tribe.'
-thomas
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> Today I received the following threat in e-mail from Eric Raymond. The message > was copied to the Silicon Valley Linux User's Group officers, who you may > consult regarding its authenticity. The police have been notified.
> Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, > I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely.
Forgive my ignorance here (and my curiousity) but just ... who is Eric Raymond, and who are you (or what you've done/said) so that he threatens you?
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> Forgive my ignorance here (and my curiousity) but just ... who is Eric > Raymond, and who are you (or what you've done/said) so that he threatens you?
I'm tempted to say "he's just a nut", but he's the head of the Open Source Initiative. What annoyed him is that I cricicized the Apple license. The full text of the threatening email can be found at http://perens.com/Articles/Threat.html .
Thanks
Bruce
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bruce writes: > Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, > I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely.
And quotes:
> Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like > that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize > the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- > and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
While this is certainly objectionable, it is not a threat of violence. Notifying the police is totally unjustified. -- John Hasler This posting is in the public domain. j...@dhh.gt.org Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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> From: hom...@vlc.servicom.es > > Forgive my ignorance here (and my curiousity) but just ... who is Eric > > Raymond, and who are you (or what you've done/said) so that he threatens you?
> I'm tempted to say "he's just a nut", but he's the head of the Open Source > Initiative. What annoyed him is that I cricicized the Apple license. The full > text of the threatening email can be found at > http://perens.com/Articles/Threat.html .
Is the quote below what pissed him off? He does say that you singled him out whereas the decision, he says, was made by the entire board of 5 members.
I gather that there's more to it all. Eric is right that the entire board isn't mentioned as having made the decision, but on the other hand, I think it's worded quite politely and sincerely.
Bruce's open letter stated: "
"We also regret to note that that Eric Raymond, with the best of intentions, jumped a little too fast to embrace the APSL in his enthusiasm to welcome Apple to our community. He placed the Open Source designation on a license that wasn't quite ready for that. We invite Eric and other members of the Free Software community to join us in requesting the few simple changes to the APSL that we have outlined in this letter."
...RickM...
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Bruce, if you are actually in fear for your life the police are the right forum for this. It appears that you are trying to once again publicly defame Eric in front of the Linux community. This message is about embarrassment and character assassination hid beneath a patina of fear.
Regardless of what your differences are with Eric this message should not have been posted to this list.
> bruce writes: > > Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, > > I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely.
> And quotes: > > Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like > > that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize > > the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- > > and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
> While this is certainly objectionable, it is not a threat of violence. > Notifying the police is totally unjustified. > -- > John Hasler This posting is in the public domain. > j...@dhh.gt.org Do with it what you will. > Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. > Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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> Regardless of what your differences are with Eric this message should not > have been posted to this list.
May I politely suggest that you reconsider that?
Eric should not have written the letter to begin with. An apology to Bruce is long overdue. Every one of Bruce's criticisms of the APSL has been general, civil, and focused on the issues at hand. Eric's rebuttals and articles have been almost entirely ad-hominim, vituperative, and unrelated to the APSL.
This is ugly, yes, but Eric should realize by now that he can not assume that his communications with Bruce will remain private, especially if they contain threats made in the name of "our entire tribe." Read the full text of the letter. The most ominous part of it is the quote at the end. Let's all hope, for the sake of civil discourse, that it was auto-generated. If it was, then Eric needs to prune his .sig/fortune file, and we can drop this and move on.
Ed Slocomb writes: > The most ominous part of it is the quote at the end. Let's > all hope, for the sake of civil discourse, that it was auto-generated.
It almost certainly was. Eric has some sort of random sig generator. -- John Hasler This posting is in the public domain. j...@dhh.gt.org Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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I have two things to say about this, or maybe three:
1) Am I the only one that is tired of hearing about the bickering between these two? and on a Debian-user list? and on a public mailing list?
2) If the authorities have been notified - fine, leave us out of it.
3) Don't make judgements until you know the whole story (and, no, I don't). A clip here, a snippet there, an you can make anyone believe anything you want them to.
-Jay
In a message dated Mon, 5 Apr 1999 7:16:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thomas
lakofski <to...@88.net> writes: > On 5 Apr 1999 br...@perens.com wrote:
> [ESR wrote:]
> > > Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like > > > that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize > > > the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- > > > and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
> I think that most people in the Linux community will find this behaviour > objectionable in the extreme. If ESR wanted to rally people round in his > defense ('understand my job', etc.), he's just taken one of his many > firearms and shot himself in the foot.
> It's fairly obvious who is 'behav[ing] like [a] disruptive asshole,' and > 'jeopardiz[ing] the interests of our entire tribe.'
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