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Steve Lee  
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 More options 3 Apr 2008, 17:04
From: "Steve Lee" <st...@fullmeasure.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:04:01 +0100
Local: Thurs 3 Apr 2008 17:04
Subject: Jambu: taking stock and next steps
Hi, well everything has been quiet since I completed the last phase so
thanks for hanging in there and staying interested. I've had a bit of
a break due to personal circumstances and perhaps slightly running out
of steam. A big thanks to Eitan for all the nags during this time
(your mentoring has been great).

This is the time start thinking about the Roadmap and I would
appreciate contributions. I'll try to keep this brief in the hope you
stay with me and get inspired to have your say at this critical point.

So where are we? Well no one seems quite clear on exactly what Jambu
is and that was my fault for being too big and woolly at the start. I
had big ideals but not so much focus. What we have at this time is:

1) Idealistic ideas about improving all Alt input access
2) In application selection and operation of accessible GTK apps and
Firefox on Linux with simple switch access.
3) A GTK app or custom widget and framework that renders SVG UIs like
OSKs described in declarative XML-based representation.

So that is really 3 projects.

1) Is really a Meta project and I think too much to chew on at once.
It covers basic input devices/drivers, desktop accessibility features
like mousekeys/mousetweeks, a11y APIs, ATs, applications, DOM input,
WCAG etc.

Another consideration for alt input is that after seeing and using eye
gaze, it seems that this should become the default alt access mode,
with switch being used for those who don't get on with gaze. We need a
FOSS version that works really well with cheap-o web cams and
OpenGazer seems to be running in that direction. We can expect a
period of inertia with users getting out of the switch mind set, but I
think it will happen. So this encourages me to work in other areas.

2) Is unique and addresses those who want to use normal applications
without intermediate OSKs (this may be a small user base as we're
being speculative). It's rather cool and I think it should be
developed more.  Intitial work will be ensuring it works with recent
changes in FF3 and GAIL regressed a bit. Finding some users is
paramount in my mind. It may have other non a11y uses as well for low
bandwidth input situations.

3) my vision for Jambu has matured to be a tool for achieving
communication and control with SVG symbols, simple custom OSKs and
possibly multi-media.  This is important for both people with physical
and learning difficulties (or both), all of who are currently under
represented (note to self of a danger of getting too broad again). I
have been seeing a lot of discussion about these needs in education
and from Speech and Language therapists. I'm also working on a project
that will be an open set of symbols and there is synergy there as well
as a chance for more user contact. Several of the OATSoft team are
highly experienced in this area which is high profile in the UK in my
experience. There is also a semantic web based project called CCF from
Dundee University that aims to make translation to/from symbols
workable. So I see a need and have many contacts with people working
in this area.

There are several well established proprietary programs in this area
as well as an overlap with OSKs so I'm keen to ensure we are not just
a 'me too' OSS version but really innovate and enable participation. A
key point is it should be easy to create new specific solutions or
modify existing ones.  Rather like the way the Web provides free
access to the source and anyone has easy entry to creating resources
and solutions (however messily). We will need a user base for
community and creating a library of custom shared resources.

I'm seriously thinking how this should become a web based solution /
service usable standalone or online or as part of another application.
It seems clear that IT (and browsers) are moving in that direction
anyway and even if it is a while off perhaps a local webserver would
be easily installed for offline use. Another attractive possibility is
to revisit XUL now it's status and my understanding have moved on. I
won't go into all the thinking now but, really do want to thrash this
idea out more.

So if we drop 1) out of Jambu we still have to decide whether to split
out 2 & 3 so each is clearly their own project. I think this is
probably the way to go, perhaps making it clear they are siblings.

Finally an exciting possibility is getting Project Possibility
students involved and I'm keen to do that. I really need others
working on it now and later phases and student energy can be awesome.
There should be scope for subprojects in 1 such as porting SUNFlare
gesture recognition or filling alt access gaps at the Desktop level.
These will involve working with existing projects so offer good
experience. 2 will be excellent for students who are happy to take a
starting point and run with it. It gives you some python and AT-SPI in
your portfolio. 3) will also offer lots of possibilities once it is
more clearly defined, I see the possibility for several sub-projects.

So my immediate next steps are
* Create a proper website etc. so Jambu is easily approachable (honest
I will Eitan)
* Develop the Roadmap and then try to get funding

Looking forward to any thoughts ideas.

Cheers

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Steve Lee
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Open Source Assistive Technology Software
web: fullmeasure.co.uk
blog: eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog


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Simon Judge  
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 More options 3 Apr 2008, 18:21
From: "Simon Judge" <si.ju...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:21:54 +0100
Local: Thurs 3 Apr 2008 18:21
Subject: Re: [Jambu] Jambu: taking stock and next steps

I think that is a very (much) clearer vision Steve. I think the potential
for browser-based / web-service AAC/AT is powerful and you have sensibly
separated these aspects.

Let me know if I can help.

Simon


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 More options 3 Apr 2008, 18:45
From: davidb <david.bol...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs 3 Apr 2008 18:45
Subject: Re: Jambu: taking stock and next steps
I agree with Simon that Jambu is getting clearer. Steve, I'm not sure
it is clear enough yet for people to jump in but perhaps you'll tackle
that in the website :)

I commiserate with Jambu's past goals; of trying to be an open-ended
platform, and still move forward in practical steps. In any event, the
user contact you mention below will serve you well I think... and give
things focus and energy. I'm excited to see what comes out of that.

cheers,
David

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Steve Lee  
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 More options 3 Apr 2008, 19:08
From: "Steve Lee" <st...@fullmeasure.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:08:36 +0100
Local: Thurs 3 Apr 2008 19:08
Subject: Re: [Jambu] Re: Jambu: taking stock and next steps
Thanks David, Simon

on 3 Apr, 18:45, davidb <david.bol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Simon that Jambu is getting clearer. Steve, I'm not sure
> it is clear enough yet for people to jump in but perhaps you'll tackle
> that in the website :)

I'll try. Yes I need to focus it down tight.
The web or rich client decision needs deep thought?

> I commiserate with Jambu's past goals; of trying to be an open-ended
> platform, and still move forward in practical steps.

Woah that is still the goal but I think it was just too woolly before
that it caused confusion. What exactly do you miss?

I'm focusing now and separating the actual details of input out as the
first practical step. The idea is to concentrate on a more specific
set of use cases so I remain focussed and as you say get energy from
real user input. If I can get something useful and workable along the
lines I described then a later step could be the more general alt
input work. However I feel that is another project or phase and would
be great if someone worked on that now, perhaps the Project Semester
students.

Jambu will need still need some input capabilities e.g for switch
input but I won't be looking at the more general gesture mapping stuff
we discussed at this point. The SunFlare project should gives us good
knowledge on gestures even if the code needs porting.

Or perhaps this phase is another practical step towards that original
general framework ;-) Having a system to interact with and add
gestures to will be a good basis,

Steve


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 More options 3 Apr 2008, 20:04
From: davidb <david.bol...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:04:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs 3 Apr 2008 20:04
Subject: Re: Jambu: taking stock and next steps

> I'm seriously thinking how this should become a web based solution

At risk of muddying the mirky water... Chris Hoffman is looking at
creating an OSK using jQuery...

http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-a11y/browse_thread/thread/48669...

Maybe there is synergy? If not, please ignore! :)


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 More options 4 Apr 2008, 15:28
From: "Steve Lee" <st...@fullmeasure.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:28:49 +0100
Local: Fri 4 Apr 2008 15:28
Subject: Re: [Jambu] Re: Jambu: taking stock and next steps
Could be and we've touched base over OnBoard before.
I'll pop over and say hello.
Thanks

Steve

On 03/04/2008, davidb <david.bol...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  > I'm seriously thinking how this should become a web based solution

> At risk of muddying the mirky water... Chris Hoffman is looking at
>  creating an OSK using jQuery...

>  http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-a11y/browse_thread/thread/48669...

>  Maybe there is synergy? If not, please ignore! :)

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Steve Lee
--
Open Source Assistive Technology Software
web: fullmeasure.co.uk
blog: eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog

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