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Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Sat, 08 Aug 2008 00:06:29 UT

P.S. it strikes me that Vygotsky’s ideas on concept formation (in
‘Thought and Language’) may shed some light on our discussion, and
suggest some appropriate terminology to distinguish between rational-
intellection and intuitive-intellection (and ‘inclusional
intellection’).

Vygotsky points out that the realm of prelingual thought is ‘bigger

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:25:03 UT

dear alan,

this is difficult going (to share subtle differences in intent which
probably reflect preference due to differences in political ambiance
in our respective situations and endeavors).

of course i do not see eckhart tolle’s work in terms of a suspension
of intellection as being the desired state in contradiction to the

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a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:00:18 UT

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'ethics'.

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a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:16:31 UT

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'ethics'.

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:15:03 UT

PS. I don't see-feel inclusionality as a half-way house to 'endarkenment'. I
feel-see endarkenment as a more than half way house to inclusionality.
Whereas endarkenment may indeed cut us adrift in meditative repose on a sea
of nothingness, blissfully oblivious, in the moment, of our human
companionship, vulnerability and needs, inclusionality can indeed bring

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:31:23 UT

Dear Ted,
Yes, I am sure we are, in principle, in full accord on this and that we
simply have different ways of expressing, in language, the same insight. But
maybe the different expressions we are using relate to some important
underlying issues to do with the communication and intellectual implications

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:22:41 UT

dear alan,

i believe that we are ‘together’ but our preference for what words we
use differs.

while i ‘can see the case for’ referring to ‘intuition’ (inclusional
understanding) as a form of ‘intellection’, i try to avoid this
because, to me, intuition (inclusional understanding) is more like

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Thu, 08 Aug 2008 20:03:16 UT

Dear Ted,

Well, the feeling that this raises in me is that there can be different
meanings of 'conceptual', depending on whether the context is rationalistic
or inclusional. I think many people, perhaps including Tolle and many who
are suspicious if not downright dismissive of intellect, is that they equate

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Thu, 08 Aug 2008 18:33:36 UT

dear alan,

just to ‘zoom out’ a bit, in an attempt to put a few things into
connective perspective, from my point of view..

what has always appealed to me is the argument such as that of Eckhart
Tolle in ‘A New Earth’ and ‘The Power of Now’, ... though i am
troubled when i refer to these works because of their ‘new-agey’

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Thu, 08 Aug 2008 09:08:12 UT

Dear Ted,

Yes, I think we are on the same flow-length here, although I prefer the
description 'limitless space' to 'unbounded space', in view of my interest
in 'dynamic boundaries' as 'dynamic distinctions' (but not definitions) in
the 'folding' or 'dynamic configuration' of space (meaning openness) as

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Thu, 08 Aug 2008 08:21:39 UT

dear alan,

yes, the ‘open space geometry’ relative to the ‘closed space geometry’
‘speaks to me’, but then, i know where you are going with it,
already.

i do see it as a valuable distinction. in my mind, i take ‘open
space’ to mean ‘unbounded space’ and then my mind goes to the fact

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

a.d.m.ray...@bath.ac.uk (Alan Rayner (BU)) — Wed, 08 Aug 2008 19:19:35 UT

Dear Ted,
Your letter today has coincided with a lot of thinking I have been doing in
regard to the inability of people I have been in recent
correspondence/discussion with, 'to see the point of the non-locality of
space', that is, to get past the 'yin-yang', 'space-matter',
'landscape-river' reciprocal correspondence within a localized 'whole', to

Re: Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Wed, 08 Aug 2008 19:08:08 UT

a re-worked version of this essay is now at [link]

Two different concepts of 'balance' in the foundations of 'ethics'.

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Tue, 08 Aug 2008 21:26:59 UT

Two different concepts of ‘balance’ in the foundations of ‘ethics’.

(for possible interest and discussion)

Our concept of ‘balance’ plays a foundational role in our individual
and collective social behaviour, and there is not one but two popular
understandings of ‘the achieving and sustaining of balance’.

Re: Duped!

emili...@goodshare.org (emile) — Wed, 08 Aug 2008 00:13:51 UT

Re 'duping', ... It seems to me, that, ..... ‘being duped’ derives
from our most popular western way of organising ourselves, which has
often been called ‘fascism’ in its most overtly political social
incarnation. Someone ‘produces some rhetoric’ or scholarship or
(political) science and ‘rides the crest of a new wave’. What gives