Newsgroups: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: "Vincent Cook" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Date: 1998/05/08
Subject: Re: To David Friedman: Antitrust
David Friedman wrote: Turgot did not make the sorts of mistakes that Quesnay and other >>What Smith really did was import a few French theories (but >>unfortunately not some of the more advanced conceptions of value) >>into the Scottish context, and thus introduce the English-speaking >>world to some laissez-faire ideas in a watered-down form. Of >>particular importance was Smith's advocacy of free trade in >>international commerce, which has become a sort of holy grail of >>British political economy (even in its more collectivist variants) >>ever since. >>However, unlike some of the French, >You are arguing that Turgot's physiocratic theory was "integrated in a Physiocrats did, and Smith in fact was more prone to embracing Physiocratic errors. Turgot's relationship to the Physiocrats was more of a personal and political one than an intellectual one. >Putting aside the question of influences, what do you find in Cantillon or The most fundamental problem with Smith is that in the _Wealth of >Turgot that is correct, and that Smith got wrong? Nations_ he sunders price formation from consumer utility. Whereas the French economists had understood (albeit without the benefit of marginalism) that scarcity was a factor in price formation and had worked out a rough understanding of how subjective utility affects price formation and opportunity costs, Smith's articulation of the diamond/water paradox presaged his slide into an incoherent real-costs theory of exchange-value. Some other key ideas one can find in Cantillon and Turgot but not (1) a clear statement of an Austrian-like methodology (Cantillon), (2) market prices derived from subjective utlities (Cantillon with (3) uncertainty and a division of knowledge as the basis for (4) a sophisticated theory of spatial economics (Cantillon), (5) a sophisticated commodity theory of money (Cantillon), (6) specie-flow mechanism for monetary equilibrium (Cantillon and (7) the law of optimum returns (Turgot), and (8) the time-preference theory of capital (Turgot). All in all, a pretty impressive list. The good points >>so he wound up advocating a long list of I'm talking about the minting of coins, not the issuance of >>interventionist measures instead - specifically banking regulation, >>a government monopoly of money, >What government monopoly of money? Smith supported the Scottish system of paper currency. The world used gold and silver coins as the standard money back in those days. >> public works, a government postal I don't have references to the original sources handy, since I'm >>monopoly, >Where does Smith say that the post should be a monopoly? Indeed, where >>agricultural export restrictions, >Where does he support agricultural export restrictions? >>mandates for certain >Actually, Smith favored a slightly higher tax on wages in kind--a mistake, relying on a secondary source for my bill of particulars (Murray Rothbard's _Economic Thought before Adam Smith_). I neglected to mention that public education and usury laws should be on this list also. Even his commitment to free trade was not consistent, since he argued that Navigation Acts were o.k. if justified by considerations of national defense. I do have a quote from the _Wealth of Nations_ regarding his "An instructed and intelligent people besides are always more decent That's hardly the sort of rhetoric one would expect from a champion >>Smith also was in favor of many kinds The point I'm getting at here is that Smith is a sort of Laffer-like figure >>of taxes. >And Turgot and Cantillon (and Menger and ...) were in favor of having no who is more interested in generating revenues in the most efficient manner for the state than in minimizing the state's take. The French economists, on the other hand, thought of tax reforms in terms of getting rid of most of the extant taxes (in fact, all but one tax in the case of the Physiocrats and Turgot). Turgot's hard-core libertarian attitudes can be discerned from this "It seems that Public Finance, like a greedy monster, has been lying Contrast that to Smith's insipid canons of justice in taxation, "The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support I think that a "greedy monster" is a more accurate description of It may also be germane to the tax question that Adam Smith's In December of 1785, Smith wrote this in a letter to another customs "it may, perhaps, give the Gentleman pleasure to be informed that the Smith's early works may have had a lot going for them, but from the >>Most economists today are still largely unaware of the ideas of the That wouldn't account for the persistence of the non-Smithian elements in >>early Austrians and of the pre-Smithian body of economic theory. The >>Smith-as-founder myth became entrenched because the post-Revolution >>French economists, starting with J.B. Say, found it politically >>expedient to distance themselves from their 18th Century predecessors >>(who were pro-royalist reformers, with Turgot even being Minister of >>Finance briefly) and portray themselves as Smithians instead. >Or, alternatively, because they found Smith (and Ricardo) to have a more continental economics. -- Vincent Cook <xyzepicu...@xyzcreative.net> Remove the xyz's Epicurus & Epicurean Philosophy Page - http://www.creative.net/~epicurus/ PGP Key - http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu/pks-commands.html Key fingerprint = 6C AC 39 33 4C F1 72 13 38 89 45 B2 34 D0 69 27 . You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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