Newsgroups: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: "Vincent Cook" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Date: 1998/05/14
Subject: Re: To David Friedman: Antitrust
David Friedman wrote: Of course, you didn't establish that Rothbard was being selective, >>Second of all, does one misrepresentation (assuming that is what it is) >>justify another? If by your own admission you are making Cantillon sound >>worse than he really is, then it appears that you are engaging in an >>extended rhetorical diversion which doesn't address the main question of >>whether or not the French invented economics, brought it to prominence, and >>used it to support laissez-faire policy prescriptions before Smith. >1. It wasn't a misrepresentation precisely because I warned the reader so I think the lesson was lost on those of us who don't buy into your "hatchet job" thesis as a matter of faith. >2. Cantillon does not use economics to support consistently laissez-faire Did I say that Cantillon did? Again, I remind you that the specific point >policy prescriptions before Smith. I made about Cantillon was that he founded economics as a separate discipline, not that he was the original champion of laissez-faire. In my reply of May 7th, I specifically said that *some* of the French, and not all of the French, had integrated their views into a defense of laissez-faire. Obviously, I was qualifying my statement, not portraying the whole In any event, the relevant issue is not whether all of these pre-Smithians Strictly speaking, these propositions don't require that all >3. Of course Smith had predecessors--that isn't news. Smith himself Well, it is news to people who were simply watching your discussion >discusses the physiocrats at some length, and politely. Near the beginning >of the lecture notes I provided my students for the course in History of >Thought I have been teaching this quarter, I wrote (about Smith): >1. The man who first assembled economics, although there were precursors. with Jimbo and don't know anything about the history of economic thought. I haven't denied that Smith "assembled" economics in one work before anyone else, but the sheer length of the _Wealth of Nations_ doesn't have a great deal of bearing on the issues I have been trying to raise with respect to Cantillon. One can write a shorter work that identifies a new field of study, defines its methodology, and states some of the basic theories; and rightly be called the founder of the field. >>Let me put this question to you then: given your reading of Cantillon I didn't claim that such historical interpretations were original >>as he really is, do you think he was just another mercantilist hack, >>or do you think he made serious contributions to founding economics >>as a distinct intellectual discipline? >I don't think the mercantilists were hacks. I think Cantillon either made with Rothbard, nor does Rothbard make such a claim. >>Seriously David, you have no business strongly denouncing Rothbard's work I think there is a double standard at work here. You have been castigating >>as a "hatchet job" until you can conclusively show that Rothbard >>intentionally got it wrong. >>I take it that so far you have not read Rothbard's book yourself and >1. I have only skimmed Cantillon, but I know Smith quite well. Assuming me for making confident statements based upon a secondary source, yet you strongly attacked Rothbard based not on your own reading of him, but rather on my presentation of his views. Has it occurred to you that even if my summary of Rothbard's thesis is accurate, it is too brief to contain all the evidence, arguments, and qualifications to the arguments he brings forward? How could you be so confident that you weren't going to be persuaded by something Rothbard wrote without having read it? Even worse, you are so eager to seize upon what you found in Cantillon to >2. You were the one who claimed, I presume on the basis of Rothbard, that No I didn't. In my post of May 7th, this is what I said about Cantillon: >Cantillon was a free trader--which is inconsistent with the clear words of >the Essai, as I have pointed out. "Economics was quite prominent in France and even in Scotland long In my post of May 8th, I listed six of Cantillon's theoretical >> but I am not You have been repeatedly questioning my willingness to consider new >>sure if I really want to continue this sort of discussion with you. What >>you are suggesting by posing such questions is the insinuation that I >>am impervious to whatever evidence you present and that my reliance >>on Rothbard as a secondary source somehow calls my motives into >>question. Frankly, I find that pretty insulting. >Your motives aren't at issue. What I am implying is that you ought not to evidence and to critically examine what Rothbard says, and making such queries the rhetorical highlight of your replies. You act as if I'm a closed-minded authoritarian simply because I take Rothbard seriously, which is a pretty insulting way to express your disagreements as far as I'm concerned. It should be noted also that my purpose in introducing Rothbard's >I had an exchange with Jimbo over Rand earlier in this thread. I posted If I state an opinion about something on Usenet and you think I am >something along the lines of "X says Rand says Y. Y is wrong. Will someone >confirm that Rand really said Y. If she did, isn't that a reason to >question her judgement?" Jimbo called me to task for irresponsibly >suggesting Rand believed something without checking her own words. >I think Jimbo was wrong, and said so. But he would have been right if I mistaken, you have every opportunity to question what my sources are, which is indeed what happened. My responsibility then is to identify what my sources are, which is what I did in response. I don't see a problem with that. The notion that arguments must have full citations is more In an informal group discussion, this procedure isn't necessary. There are far more grounds for expecting a regular on h.p.o. to have Also, while secondary sources do create the potential for Indeed, one could hedge one's writing with all sorts of skeptical >I'm not attacking your motives--I am attacking the truth of what you were No, you have largely ignored the main thrust of what I have been >asserting (second hand from Rothbard) and your judgement in asserting it >as fact without making any effort to check it first. saying and instead have been attacking a straw man (the Cantillon free-trader) while poisoning the well against Rothbard. I think it has become perfectly clear who really has an axe to grind here. >A query for you--don't bother to answer it if you don't want to. If, after There are two things I can tell you about the revision of my >reading Smith and Cantillon (and, hopefully, Turgot), you conclude that >the Rothbard book was a hatchet job, will you >A. Revise your opinions of this exchange and ... opinions. First, they will indeed be revised in light of whatever evidence I come across. Second, the evidence of the thread itself has already prompted me to revise my opinions about you, and now I am quite certain that I do not want to continue this sort of discussion with you. Life is too short and too wonderful to be wasted on malicious people who are just looking for a chance to gratuitously abuse the honor of others. -- Vincent Cook <xyzepicu...@xyzcreative.net> Remove the xyz's Epicurus & Epicurean Philosophy Page - http://www.creative.net/~epicurus/ PGP Key - http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu/pks-commands.html Key fingerprint = 6C AC 39 33 4C F1 72 13 38 89 45 B2 34 D0 69 27 . You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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