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Paul Wharton  
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 More options 8 Nov, 08:31
Newsgroups: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: Paul Wharton <paulwhar...@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:31:02 -0800
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 08:31
Subject: Pro-Life: a Chink in Our Armor
The House of Representatives has just passed a "health care reform"
bill.  As I read the news story that describes the drama that led to
the narrow vote, I was horrified that it was support of a bad position
that enabled the democrats to get enough votes.  The opposition to
government health care was compromised away in the name of upholding
the traditionally conservative philosophy of "pro-life".  Thus, not
only do we get threatened by a congressional branch endorsing
government health care, we also have to live our lives with the menace
of being fined for unwanted children.

Somewhere, a while back, I read that the average cost of raising a
child to age 18 is $400,000.  In Obama's economy, it is probably more
like half a million.  I worry about an unwanted pregnancy so much that
I don't even have sex.  Is the obstinately, religious judgement that
one must deprive oneself of joy and love so intrusive that a
Representative of The United States of America must inflict government
health care upon us with force?

I'd advise Senators to forge a better, protective philosophy than the
conservative crap that seeks to control the spiritual enjoyment of
citizens, if they don't want to lose their positions: both morally and
physically.

Paul Wharton
Objectivist American


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Charles Bell  
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 More options 8 Nov, 13:50
Newsgroups: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: Charles Bell <cbel...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:50:16 -0800
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 13:50
Subject: Re: Pro-Life: a Chink in Our Armor
On Nov 8, 3:31 am, Paul Wharton <paulwhar...@comcast.net> wrote:

> The House of Representatives has just passed a "health care reform"
> bill.  As I read the news story that describes the drama that led to
> the narrow vote, I was horrified that it was support of a bad position
> that enabled the democrats to get enough votes.  The opposition to
> government health care was compromised away in the name of upholding
> the traditionally conservative philosophy of "pro-life".

The abortion provision was a political maneuver, should the amendment
have failed, to peel away some pro-life Democrats from voting for the
Bill.  In the end, ONE REPUBLICAN,  Joseph Cao of Louisiana (*) ,
voted for the single greatest intrusion of government into the life of
an individual ever conceived.

(*) . . . sneeked in because the Democrat he replaced, William J.
Jefferson, was indicted for and later convicted of bribery and
corruption . . .


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Tomm Carr  
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 More options 9 Nov, 02:17
Newsgroups: humanities.philosophy.objectivism
From: Tomm Carr <TommC...@Gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:17:40 -0800
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 02:17
Subject: Re: Pro-Life: a Chink in Our Armor

Paul Wharton wrote:
> The opposition to
> government health care was compromised away in the name of upholding
> the traditionally conservative philosophy of "pro-life".  Thus, not
> only do we get threatened by a congressional branch endorsing
> government health care, we also have to live our lives with the menace
> of being fined for unwanted children.

I generally keep away from the abortion issue because there is so much
emotion and so little coldly rational discussion on either side.

For example, the idea that if someone is not allowed to get an abortion,
they are, in effect, being fined for unwanted children -- or, as Obama
put in, "punished." This is pure emotion. Such a statement cannot be
derived from rational thought.

I guess I would have to call myself pro-choice. But I look at the choice
a little further back than most people. You made your choice when you
had sex. Now you want to evade the consequences of your act.

When I do something stupid, or even something intelligent that goes
terribly wrong, the consequences I have to bear as a result are not a
fine or punishment. The erosion of this concept even among groups that
should know better is the most damning result of the abortion debate.

Abortion should not be made illegal -- it is, after all, just a medical
procedure and I for one do not want to open the door to banning
voluntary medical procedures. However, in the absence of a problem
pregnancy, it is strictly an elective procedure, like a nose job or
breast implants. If some medical insurance policies provide it, fine,
but it should not be paid with tax money. Of course, this fits into the
general idea that no medical procedures at all should be paid for with
tax money.

While abortion should not be illegal, there is nothing wrong with
discouraging it. Absolutely it should not be considered, as it seems to
be now, some sort of "rite of passage" into womanhood. It should not be
glorified or held out as some sort of warped ideal.

Nor should it be considered so vitally important that it can be
performed on teen-aged girls without the knowledge of the parents. As
the father of four daughters, it's difficult to not get emotional when I
consider there are people who think their idea that /having/ an abortion
is so critical that it should be performed without parents' knowledge
because of the /possibility/ that the parents may take a different
course. This is a travesty of monumental proportions.

Earlier this year, I heard a Democrat on the radio make a statement to
the effect that he felt sorry for children born into Republican
precincts because Republicans care nothing for children. The implication
was, of course, that Democrats care for children. But if Democrats
really care for children, then it is only the ones that make it /this
side/ of the birth canal. Then ones still on /that side/, even if only
by a few minutes, seem to be considered only as targets to be destroyed.

Human life is the central value of my values, my moral code. While I can
allow for differences of opinion on the subject of abortion, it is
inconceivable that anyone whose values are based on human life can draw
a line where human life has ultimate value on one side but absolutely no
value whatsoever, or even negative value, on the other side.

--
Tomm Catt
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is.


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