You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.
Maggie , being that Creators of tv series are paid for such, even though they do no writing, acting or anything else...what are the copyright issues here? Even ` based on idea by` requires bucks to be paid. e.g. if you commission a third party for an idea expressed on here...thats a recipe for litigation. I think theres issues here. I take it your chust asking Joe Viewer and not Joe `I do this for a living`.
cheeursh billy
On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.
Quite, we want to open the debate on whats important to viewers, viewing figures and data only takes us so far and we need to drill down to get more coherent views that might help us formulate spending decisions in the weeks and months to come. Dont post anything you might regret sharing
> Maggie , > being that Creators of tv series are paid for such, even though they > do no writing, acting or anything else...what are the copyright issues > here? > Even ` based on idea by` requires bucks to be paid. > e.g. if you commission a third party for an idea expressed on > here...thats a recipe for litigation. I think theres issues here. I > take it your chust asking Joe Viewer and not Joe `I do this for a > living`.
> cheeursh > billy
> On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
Maybe the answer lies somewhere between the high quality soap and the game show. After all, two and a half hours of soap is what you expect in a week, or a fortnight, or even a month if it's in weekly episodes, but you'd be hard pushed to string that out over a year. I'm not suggesting a low quality soap, but how about some bite-sized episodes of five or 10 minutes on air? Would people tune in just for five mins if that gives them barely the time to settle in their armchairs?
On 30 Aug, 15:46, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Quite, we want to open the debate on whats important to viewers, > viewing figures and data only takes us so far and we need to drill > down to get more coherent views that might help us formulate spending > decisions in the weeks and months to come. Dont post anything you > might regret sharing
> > Maggie , > > being that Creators of tv series are paid for such, even though they > > do no writing, acting or anything else...what are the copyright issues > > here? > > Even ` based on idea by` requires bucks to be paid. > > e.g. if you commission a third party for an idea expressed on > > here...thats a recipe for litigation. I think theres issues here. I > > take it your chust asking Joe Viewer and not Joe `I do this for a > > living`.
> > cheeursh > > billy
> > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
At the risk of being accused of being "incestous" - fair point Alison our experience with Machair many moons ago was that even 26 eps a year with no repeat and no omnibus couldn't sustain interest and gather momnetum as a soap should. Questions over writing skills and how we encourage those come to mind immediately, not saying the shorter format is any easier but it lets you trial out both talant and product in a different way.
On 30 Aug, 16:09, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Maybe the answer lies somewhere between the high quality soap and the > game show. After all, two and a half hours of soap is what you expect > in a week, or a fortnight, or even a month if it's in weekly episodes, > but you'd be hard pushed to string that out over a year. I'm not > suggesting a low quality soap, but how about some bite-sized episodes > of five or 10 minutes on air? Would people tune in just for five mins > if that gives them barely the time to settle in their armchairs?
> On 30 Aug, 15:46, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Quite, we want to open the debate on whats important to viewers, > > viewing figures and data only takes us so far and we need to drill > > down to get more coherent views that might help us formulate spending > > decisions in the weeks and months to come. Dont post anything you > > might regret sharing
> > > Maggie , > > > being that Creators of tv series are paid for such, even though they > > > do no writing, acting or anything else...what are the copyright issues > > > here? > > > Even ` based on idea by` requires bucks to be paid. > > > e.g. if you commission a third party for an idea expressed on > > > here...thats a recipe for litigation. I think theres issues here. I > > > take it your chust asking Joe Viewer and not Joe `I do this for a > > > living`.
> > > cheeursh > > > billy
> > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
Alison, you made some fair points. Theres no way you can have `flagship ` programming all the time.Its purely down to the enormous costs involved. I think you will need one or three big hitters and possibly a lot more around the `gameshow` budget. This is a far cheaper format but the beeb and ITV have no problems doing it...I think its a matter of not going over the top with it. I dont think theres any remote chance of doing a 90 min costume drama unless you were guaranteed for it to be sold to other networks.Not for a million anyway.
My own feeling is a bite sized soap wont work.Soaps are all about twists and turns and immersing in another world for a half hour or so. 10 minutes isn`t long enough to develope charachter, exposition etc.
Off the bat, I think channel 4 used to have a 5 to 10 minute nightly slot where Joe Public could enter ` the booth` and rant about whatever they wanted. I`m not advocating cheap tv, but it was generally entertaining. I think this is one avenue where you can go cheap but without it being obvious filler material.
Thanks for starting the post Maggie.
cheeursh, billy
On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.
Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good old reality tv and the likes!
On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.
Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a really bad idea?
On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > old reality tv and the likes!
> On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
Alison choir, Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter abomination. Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. John
On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > really bad idea?
> On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
Bring back Machair I say! :) I know it might not have been the best programme ever made but my memories of it from when I was younger are all good! I used to love it and a trip down memory lane would be great!!
On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> Alison choir, > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > abomination. > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > John
> On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > really bad idea?
> > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
Given unlimited budget, i would love to see Aonghas Phadraig's masterpiece, An Oidhche Mus Do Sheòl Sinn on screen, but, i suspect that given the limited resources available at the present, we may have to wait a while!
On 31 Aug, 11:14, Diane <diane...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Bring back Machair I say! :) I know it might not have been the best > programme ever made but my memories of it from when I was younger are > all good! I used to love it and a trip down memory lane would be > great!!
> On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > Alison choir, > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > abomination. > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > John
> > On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > really bad idea?
> > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh aite ann airson an dha chuid?
On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> Alison choir, > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > abomination. > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > John
> On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > really bad idea?
> > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
in short id have to say what we want is something new. something fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a little too much.
Taing R On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > Alison choir, > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > abomination. > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > John
> > On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > really bad idea?
> > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
And so say all of us with high production values and gripping content please. Is it contemporary stories you're looking for? The reality on the talent front is that sheer natural talent that will rise to the top anyway anyhow is as rare as hens teeth and in any langauge and in any talent system there's an awful lot of weeding out that goes on. There is a core bank of talented artists in Gaelic most of whom to my knowledge would probably say they're "resting" too often. But new faces and talents are requied, its a well that needs refreshing every now and then. S4C with their £millions x 9 times and Welsh speakers x 5/6 times that of Gaelic warned agains this in the first instance. Chan eile mi deanamh dimeas air gin den luchd cleasaich againn, tha min dochas, ach tha ath-urachadh a dhith airson measgachadh math, fallain a bhi againn.
> in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > little too much.
> Taing > R > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > Alison choir, > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > abomination. > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > John
> > > On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > little too much.
> Taing > R > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > Alison choir, > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > abomination. > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > John
> > > On 31 Aug, 09:43, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
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Re training it takes many guises as I'm sure you know Ishi. But when you're delaing with new talent training is often in built even if its just more rehearsal and prep time. In the wider sense GMS has a remit for training and has over the years injected funding where it felt maximum impact would be felt, ie if TV drama was outwith the financila range then lets support theatre etc etc. Also there are good mainstream courses for actors through RSAMD and beyond - its the talent spotting that's the difficult part, its shouldnt be down to happen chance but sometimes it is. My advice to any aspiring artists is get in touch.
On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > folks,
> > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > little too much.
> > Taing > > R > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi John,
> > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > Alison choir, > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > abomination. > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > John
> > > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
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with Gaelic TV being a rather niche market, there is the whole idea of having to sell your soul to Gaelic if you are to be involved. If not, then the phone stops ringing. Correct me if im wrong but this puts a lot of people off and results in those initially interested turning away. Yes Margaret, something contemporary that young people can relate to. Why is it that the majority of the programmes we see are one-off drama's(usually historical) or educational history and music programmes?
And yes Ishi, there needs to be more opportunities but eve nthe current training schemes made available to the Gaelic world have next to no recognition and certainly at this point in time they need it the most. Certainly not when I was applying anyway. The Cursa TBh at SMO for example, I found from a Google Search! When I was looking at other courses/film schools across the globe. Sure id heard of Sabhal Mor Ostaig. But nothing of the course. It's a rather unique course that very few know about. a Gaelic TV trainee course funded by Gaelic Media. Most people I went to school with through the medium of Gaelic only know of the course because I was on it. A good number of them later applied for the course also. Starting to ramble here a little, but I tihnk i've made my point? You will find there are a good number of people out there that are certainly interested in being involved. They just don't know anything of it's existence unless it's put in front of them.
Is there even an advertising compaign to speak of for training in Gaelic Media? Not just for Cursa TBh but other programme's that im sure I haven't even heard of?
Ruairidh
On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > folks,
> > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > little too much.
> > Taing > > R > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi John,
> > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > Alison choir, > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > abomination. > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > John
> > > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
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Having been part of the campaign for the Welsh 4th Channel and seen its first decade or so....can I suggest that the new channel consider buying in Welsh language drama. Do not....please...drown the channel with the stuff, but there are some fine short series of recent years based in a rural milieu. Dubbing would seem to be the way to go....and as the programs would not be English language there can be no temptation to try and guess what's being said!!
> with Gaelic TV being a rather niche market, there is the whole idea of > having to sell your soul to Gaelic if you are to be involved. If not, > then the phone stops ringing. Correct me if im wrong but this puts a > lot of people off and results in those initially interested turning > away. Yes Margaret, something contemporary that young people can > relate to. Why is it that the majority of the programmes we see are > one-off drama's(usually historical) or educational history and music > programmes?
> And yes Ishi, there needs to be more opportunities but eve nthe > current training schemes made available to the Gaelic world have next > to no recognition and certainly at this point in time they need it the > most. Certainly not when I was applying anyway. The Cursa TBh at SMO > for example, I found from a Google Search! When I was looking at other > courses/film schools across the globe. Sure id heard of Sabhal Mor > Ostaig. But nothing of the course. It's a rather unique course that > very few know about. a Gaelic TV trainee course funded by Gaelic > Media. Most people I went to school with through the medium of Gaelic > only know of the course because I was on it. A good number of them > later applied for the course also. Starting to ramble here a little, > but I tihnk i've made my point? You will find there are a good number > of people out there that are certainly interested in being involved. > They just don't know anything of it's existence unless it's put in > front of them.
> Is there even an advertising compaign to speak of for training in > Gaelic Media? Not just for Cursa TBh but other programme's that im > sure I haven't even heard of?
> Ruairidh
> On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> > On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > folks,
> > > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > > little too much.
> > > Taing > > > R > > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > > Alison choir, > > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > > abomination. > > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > > John
> > > > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
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> Having been part of the campaign for the Welsh 4th Channel and seen > its first decade or so....can I suggest that the new channel consider > buying in Welsh language drama. Do not....please...drown the channel > with the stuff, but there are some fine short series of recent years > based in a rural milieu. Dubbing would seem to be the way to > go....and as the programs would not be English language there can be > no temptation to try and guess what's being said!!
> Hwyl i'r Aeleg
> On 3 Sep, 20:23, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > with Gaelic TV being a rather niche market, there is the whole idea of > > having to sell your soul to Gaelic if you are to be involved. If not, > > then the phone stops ringing. Correct me if im wrong but this puts a > > lot of people off and results in those initially interested turning > > away. Yes Margaret, something contemporary that young people can > > relate to. Why is it that the majority of the programmes we see are > > one-off drama's(usually historical) or educational history and music > > programmes?
> > And yes Ishi, there needs to be more opportunities but eve nthe > > current training schemes made available to the Gaelic world have next > > to no recognition and certainly at this point in time they need it the > > most. Certainly not when I was applying anyway. The Cursa TBh at SMO > > for example, I found from a Google Search! When I was looking at other > > courses/film schools across the globe. Sure id heard of Sabhal Mor > > Ostaig. But nothing of the course. It's a rather unique course that > > very few know about. a Gaelic TV trainee course funded by Gaelic > > Media. Most people I went to school with through the medium of Gaelic > > only know of the course because I was on it. A good number of them > > later applied for the course also. Starting to ramble here a little, > > but I tihnk i've made my point? You will find there are a good number > > of people out there that are certainly interested in being involved. > > They just don't know anything of it's existence unless it's put in > > front of them.
> > Is there even an advertising compaign to speak of for training in > > Gaelic Media? Not just for Cursa TBh but other programme's that im > > sure I haven't even heard of?
> > Ruairidh
> > On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > > > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > > > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > > > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > > > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > > > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > > > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > > > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> > > On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > folks,
> > > > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > > > little too much.
> > > > Taing > > > > R > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Alison choir, > > > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > > > abomination. > > > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
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Thats the first initiative test then - finding the course. The SMO course has been updated over the years and perhaps needs to look at its focus and/or marketing again but the core idea of providing training in the language was deemed important at the time of setting up and to date, and perhaps I'm out of the loop, but I dont hear too many of the graduates complaining as there's a good strike rate of getting work in what is a v competitive industry as its seen to offer a competitive edge. Some people do commit "heart and soul" as you suggest, but like most creative endeavours that is what attracts most people to it as a career choice. From my pov the main prerequisites are good language skills + talent + passion, 2/3 probably isnt good enough.
On the dramas point taken - the mix of one-offs is probably 70/30 historical/contemporary and yes we ulitmately have a choice as to what to fund but its also about the type of scripts on offfer - because there's so little drama its expected to suit all sectors of the audience which of course it cannot do. The new service will give a bit more scope re scheduling options and durations which are terribly fixed in the analogue world.
The new blood coming in from SMO and elsewhere needs to make its voice heard if a) its this dissatisfied with things Gaelic and b) start to influence things from within - you dont want to hear my reasons/ excuses re writing shortages and scheduling probs, so engage with us.
> with Gaelic TV being a rather niche market, there is the whole idea of > having to sell your soul to Gaelic if you are to be involved. If not, > then the phone stops ringing. Correct me if im wrong but this puts a > lot of people off and results in those initially interested turning > away. Yes Margaret, something contemporary that young people can > relate to. Why is it that the majority of the programmes we see are > one-off drama's(usually historical) or educational history and music > programmes?
> And yes Ishi, there needs to be more opportunities but eve nthe > current training schemes made available to the Gaelic world have next > to no recognition and certainly at this point in time they need it the > most. Certainly not when I was applying anyway. The Cursa TBh at SMO > for example, I found from a Google Search! When I was looking at other > courses/film schools across the globe. Sure id heard of Sabhal Mor > Ostaig. But nothing of the course. It's a rather unique course that > very few know about. a Gaelic TV trainee course funded by Gaelic > Media. Most people I went to school with through the medium of Gaelic > only know of the course because I was on it. A good number of them > later applied for the course also. Starting to ramble here a little, > but I tihnk i've made my point? You will find there are a good number > of people out there that are certainly interested in being involved. > They just don't know anything of it's existence unless it's put in > front of them.
> Is there even an advertising compaign to speak of for training in > Gaelic Media? Not just for Cursa TBh but other programme's that im > sure I haven't even heard of?
> Ruairidh
> On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> > On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > folks,
> > > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > > little too much.
> > > Taing > > > R > > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > > Alison choir, > > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > > abomination. > > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > > John
> > > > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
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Dubbing and sub-titling .... how about this ... have some shows dubbed into Gaelic with (optional) English subtitles, and then have a sort of 'Gaelic Channel +1' showing the same programme with the English soundtrack and Gaelic subtitles? I'm guessing the magic of digital and the red button would offer these alternatives?
You could argue that you're getting two shows from one without necessarily spending a collosal amount of money. You'd be employing Gaelic subtitlers, translators and voiceover artists/actors. When I was abroad in a Spanish-speaking country, they had an entire channel dedicated to American cop shows like CSI, Law and Order, and it seemed that half the time the shows played the original soundtrack but with Spanish subtitles, and the other time it was just Spanish dubbing. It certainly helped my understanding of Spanish to have the Spanish titles with the soundtrack. Would it be that different to have CSI or ..... The Bill ..... or The OC (I know these are hideously expensive examples) dubbed/titled in Gaelic? After all, no-one in Scotland, Gaelic-speaker/English-speaker/Polish-speaker from Ness to Berwick upon Tweed lives in a sunkissed Californian city or an ultra- rich east coast American town.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the cultural references aren't necessarily more outlandish because you'd have something like CSI dubbed into Gaelic, than simply showing it in English anyway.
Also, for any Gaelic drama/soap being developed why not think laterally and try to film a sort of "DVD extras" series of shows? Profiles of the actors, profiles on how the industry works - how does a script get taken from idea to the filmed product; what is a director's job; etc, etc ...... if you have everyone on location, might as well get the maximum possible. With the right planning maybe something like that would work? You could have a series of shorts/ fillers, that might a) entertain and b) encourage others to get involved?
A previous poster said something about the quality of the SMO students' films - some are terrific. Why not air the best ones, or look at making a broadcast standard piece as a norm during their studies?
bumpytyd...@yahoo.com.au wrote: > Having been part of the campaign for the Welsh 4th Channel and seen > its first decade or so....can I suggest that the new channel consider > buying in Welsh language drama. Do not....please...drown the channel > with the stuff, but there are some fine short series of recent years > based in a rural milieu. Dubbing would seem to be the way to > go....and as the programs would not be English language there can be > no temptation to try and guess what's being said!!
> Hwyl i'r Aeleg
> On 3 Sep, 20:23, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote: > > with Gaelic TV being a rather niche market, there is the whole idea of > > having to sell your soul to Gaelic if you are to be involved. If not, > > then the phone stops ringing. Correct me if im wrong but this puts a > > lot of people off and results in those initially interested turning > > away. Yes Margaret, something contemporary that young people can > > relate to. Why is it that the majority of the programmes we see are > > one-off drama's(usually historical) or educational history and music > > programmes?
> > And yes Ishi, there needs to be more opportunities but eve nthe > > current training schemes made available to the Gaelic world have next > > to no recognition and certainly at this point in time they need it the > > most. Certainly not when I was applying anyway. The Cursa TBh at SMO > > for example, I found from a Google Search! When I was looking at other > > courses/film schools across the globe. Sure id heard of Sabhal Mor > > Ostaig. But nothing of the course. It's a rather unique course that > > very few know about. a Gaelic TV trainee course funded by Gaelic > > Media. Most people I went to school with through the medium of Gaelic > > only know of the course because I was on it. A good number of them > > later applied for the course also. Starting to ramble here a little, > > but I tihnk i've made my point? You will find there are a good number > > of people out there that are certainly interested in being involved. > > They just don't know anything of it's existence unless it's put in > > front of them.
> > Is there even an advertising compaign to speak of for training in > > Gaelic Media? Not just for Cursa TBh but other programme's that im > > sure I haven't even heard of?
> > Ruairidh
> > On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > > > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > > > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > > > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > > > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > > > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > > > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > > > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> > > On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > folks,
> > > > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > > > little too much.
> > > > Taing > > > > R > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Alison choir, > > > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > > > abomination. > > > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > Machair's had a few mentions, here and on the "hooked on Hollyoaks" > > > > > > > thread. It makes me wonder about repeats and perhaps even a revival. > > > > > > > Would people want to see Machair again? It could become for the new > > > > > > > Gaelic channel what Friends is for E4 -- a staple programme repeated > > > > > > > over and over until its fans are script perfect ... or is that just a > > > > > > > really bad idea?
> > > > > > > On 30 Aug, 20:45, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Believe it or not but have had this discussion with many people in the > > > > > > > > past (maybe us students lead a boring life these days) and we always > > > > > > > > all come to the one conclusion: If the budget were there, another > > > > > > > > 'Gruth 's Uachdar' should be made. An absolute gem in Gàidhlig TV > > > > > > > > history, everyone I know, young and old, loved it. Any suggestions as > > > > > > > > to what could be done along the sam lines?? There's a lot of great > > > > > > > > 'Gaidhealach' literature out there - could we do another adaptation?
> > > > > > > > However, if i were wanting to make my money go a bit further I might > > > > > > > > opt for something on a smaller scale, keeping the change for some good > > > > > > > > old reality tv and the likes!
> > > > > > > > On 30 Aug, 13:26, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You have a £1 million budget for the year for drama and comedy. For > > > > > > > > > that you can commission a 90-minute costume drama, 2 ½ hours of high- > > > > > > > > > quality soap, or 50 hours of comedy game show. > > > > > > > > > It's over to you. Go on, satisfy your audience.- Hide quoted text -
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I recently heard (if I'm correct) the late great Iain Crichton Smith on Radio nan Gaidheal reading a short story he'd written (I think) about a game of football between German and British soldiers in war time. The story was marvellous in its simplicity and power. It made me think there must be several of Crichton Smith's story's that could be looked at for a series of 'short drama' - you could have 15/20 minute slots, a series of Crichton Smith storys brought to life for television. Depending on their settings and the narratives, the budget might not be prohibitive.
If you wanted something more modern - although you could argue that while Crichton Smith is no longer with us, his message still has a relevance to us - you could look at Alasdair Cambell's short stories of Lewis life. Or what about Alasdair MacLeod, the great Canadian writer? His short stories although in English might translated fantastically to the screen? A Canadian-Scottish collaboration.
In terms of 90 minute dramas, Calum Ian's suggestion of An Oidhche Mus Do Sheòl Sinn is a good one, although I agree the cost might be prohibitive?
Another idea for something ambitious, thinking out aloud, would be FO Sgail a Swastika by Donald John MacDonald - its is a historical and very personal, moving account of a Gael, and the experience of War - I think its already been broadcast on radio (unless I'm confusing it with the recording of the book) - that would be an ambitious project to get on to screen. I hear there's a new song been written to mark the involvement of Gaels in the Iraq war - war is , sadly, still very relevant to us. A war based drama would be ambitious. Black Watch, the fantastic NTS production, was recently shown on TV. Why not something like that in Gaelic?
A cheaper alternative for a 90 minute drama might be Tormod Campbell's Shrapnel which is set all in Edinburgh - I found it quite a challenge to read but if it was set for film/TV it would be absolutely amazing - the characters are all crazy and the scenes in pubs just hilarious.
There are talented people involved in television like Iain Finlay MacLeod who have also written decent novels in Gaelic.
There is also a teenage book called Raonaid which we had in school - it was quite racy for its day (!), but is probably outdated now. But it could be brought up to date and adapted - a modern day teen angst drama centred on a teenage Gaelic speaking girl - you could bring all kinds of contemporary issues in. You could bring humour in, as well as being hard-hitting.
Just a few ideas for you!
Murchadh
On 7 Sep, 10:50, "gòrdan_cànan" <gor...@canan.co.uk> wrote:
> Dubbing and sub-titling .... how about this ... have some shows dubbed > into Gaelic with (optional) English subtitles, and then have a sort of > 'Gaelic Channel +1' showing the same programme with the English > soundtrack and Gaelic subtitles? I'm guessing the magic of digital and > the red button would offer these alternatives?
> You could argue that you're getting two shows from one without > necessarily spending a collosal amount of money. You'd be employing > Gaelic subtitlers, translators and voiceover artists/actors. When I > was abroad in a Spanish-speaking country, they had an entire channel > dedicated to American cop shows like CSI, Law and Order, and it seemed > that half the time the shows played the original soundtrack but with > Spanish subtitles, and the other time it was just Spanish dubbing. It > certainly helped my understanding of Spanish to have the Spanish > titles with the soundtrack. Would it be that different to have CSI > or ..... The Bill ..... or The OC (I know these are hideously > expensive examples) dubbed/titled in Gaelic? After all, no-one in > Scotland, Gaelic-speaker/English-speaker/Polish-speaker from Ness to > Berwick upon Tweed lives in a sunkissed Californian city or an ultra- > rich east coast American town.
> I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the cultural references > aren't necessarily more outlandish because you'd have something like > CSI dubbed into Gaelic, than simply showing it in English anyway.
> Also, for any Gaelic drama/soap being developed why not think > laterally and try to film a sort of "DVD extras" series of shows? > Profiles of the actors, profiles on how the industry works - how does > a script get taken from idea to the filmed product; what is a > director's job; etc, etc ...... if you have everyone on location, > might as well get the maximum possible. With the right planning maybe > something like that would work? You could have a series of shorts/ > fillers, that might a) entertain and b) encourage others to get > involved?
> A previous poster said something about the quality of the SMO > students' films - some are terrific. Why not air the best ones, or > look at making a broadcast standard piece as a norm during their > studies?
> Dùrachdan,
> gòrdan
> bumpytyd...@yahoo.com.au wrote: > > Having been part of the campaign for the Welsh 4th Channel and seen > > its first decade or so....can I suggest that the new channel consider > > buying in Welsh language drama. Do not....please...drown the channel > > with the stuff, but there are some fine short series of recent years > > based in a rural milieu. Dubbing would seem to be the way to > > go....and as the programs would not be English language there can be > > no temptation to try and guess what's being said!!
> > Hwyl i'r Aeleg
> > On 3 Sep, 20:23, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote: > > > with Gaelic TV being a rather niche market, there is the whole idea of > > > having to sell your soul to Gaelic if you are to be involved. If not, > > > then the phone stops ringing. Correct me if im wrong but this puts a > > > lot of people off and results in those initially interested turning > > > away. Yes Margaret, something contemporary that young people can > > > relate to. Why is it that the majority of the programmes we see are > > > one-off drama's(usually historical) or educational history and music > > > programmes?
> > > And yes Ishi, there needs to be more opportunities but eve nthe > > > current training schemes made available to the Gaelic world have next > > > to no recognition and certainly at this point in time they need it the > > > most. Certainly not when I was applying anyway. The Cursa TBh at SMO > > > for example, I found from a Google Search! When I was looking at other > > > courses/film schools across the globe. Sure id heard of Sabhal Mor > > > Ostaig. But nothing of the course. It's a rather unique course that > > > very few know about. a Gaelic TV trainee course funded by Gaelic > > > Media. Most people I went to school with through the medium of Gaelic > > > only know of the course because I was on it. A good number of them > > > later applied for the course also. Starting to ramble here a little, > > > but I tihnk i've made my point? You will find there are a good number > > > of people out there that are certainly interested in being involved. > > > They just don't know anything of it's existence unless it's put in > > > front of them.
> > > Is there even an advertising compaign to speak of for training in > > > Gaelic Media? Not just for Cursa TBh but other programme's that im > > > sure I haven't even heard of?
> > > Ruairidh
> > > On 2 Sep, 23:21, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Maybe that's just why I invited you Rory!! You make a great point > > > > about the actors though and I'm pretty sure there are plenty who DO > > > > want to be part of this 'new age' of Gàidhlig TV, and writers, > > > > producers etc amongst them too, but I think that more training > > > > opportunities need to be made available for them. This is essential > > > > for countless reasons but namely to give them the courage and > > > > encouragement to continue and also to allow the industry to get the > > > > best out of them. Can we use some of this £1m budget on training??
> > > > On 31 Aug, 19:17, rory.macmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > folks,
> > > > > in short id have to say what we want is something new. something > > > > > fresh. new young talent - it's not just the resources we are short on. > > > > > Aspirant Actors - desiring or striving for recognition. Im not saying > > > > > there isn't any of that out there. We need to find it. Encourage it. > > > > > We want people to keep watching these programs because they actually > > > > > enjoy it. Not the tragically common mentality of HAVING to watch it > > > > > because 'they're trying something new again in Gaelic' or because 'tha > > > > > Grannaidh ag radh gun bu choir dhuinn a bhith toirt suil air an rud ur > > > > > seo'. Gruth of Uachdar is ALWAYS brought up as an example but there is > > > > > no better series to compare it to and it's NOT impossible for > > > > > something of this quality to be created using a lighter budget. I > > > > > could say so much more, yes. But ill be good given this is my first > > > > > post. Bad baaaad idea Ishi inviting me on here. I do like my debates a > > > > > little too much.
> > > > > Taing > > > > > R > > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:37, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > Gu ire tha thu ceart, ach tha bhi resources gu leor aig an sianail seo > > > > > > airson a leithid Machair a' sheachnadh, tha mi tuigsinn a frustration > > > > > > aig daoine a ' sireadh drama ur agus tarraingeach ach s'docha bhiodh > > > > > > aite ann airson an dha chuid?
> > > > > > On 31 Aug, 10:06, John Storey <j...@gaelicbooks.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > Alison choir, > > > > > > > Sianal ùr = cothrom miorbhaileach. Machair, air a laimh eile = utter > > > > > > > abomination. > > > > > > > Tha fhios'm gu bheil thu airson deasbad fhaighinn, ach please - don't > > > > > > > even joke about Machair coming back to our screens. > > > > > > > John
Anyway, I'd spend my million on a Gaelic version of Mihiluze which - for all those who aren't getting Basque TV - is a game show aimed at young people (16-25ish) which really taxes people's understanding and knowledge of Gaelic.
For points and ultimately some Euros, they have to: * decipher highly cryptic SMS messages in Basque in a very short space of time * fill the gaps in traditional bertsos (kind of a cross between poetry and song) * pair up commonly used words with unusual dialect forms * mime keywords they are given for their team to guess and other linguistic challenges like that. It's all very fast, challenging and heaps of fun. I could tape an episode if needs be and I'm sure ETB would be delighted to cooperate.
Oh, plus they have a 1 minute spot every time where they feature this weeks "terrible translation on a sign" - Remax's "Duthaich Taigheadas" springs to mind...
Ok gotta go teach my poor students what blocked lenition is
Sounds like fun! And I'm sure the thought of winning cold hard cash will act as a great incentive to contributors. On the Game Show theme I find that continuing competition shows are highly addictive also as the viewers start to get to know and become interested in the contestants, I'm not talking Big Brother per se but things like next top model, Hell's kitchen etc etc. So what could we have, Gaelic's next...
On 10 Sep, 16:49, Akerbeltz <f...@akerbeltz.org> wrote:
> I take it there's a reason this is all in Beurla?
> Anyway, I'd spend my million on a Gaelic version of Mihiluze which - > for all those who aren't getting Basque TV - is a game show aimed at > young people (16-25ish) which really taxes people's understanding and > knowledge of Gaelic.
> For points and ultimately some Euros, they have to: > * decipher highly cryptic SMS messages in Basque in a very short space > of time > * fill the gaps in traditional bertsos (kind of a cross between poetry > and song) > * pair up commonly used words with unusual dialect forms > * mime keywords they are given for their team to guess > and other linguistic challenges like that. It's all very fast, > challenging and heaps of fun. I could tape an episode if needs be and > I'm sure ETB would be delighted to cooperate.
> Oh, plus they have a 1 minute spot every time where they feature this > weeks "terrible translation on a sign" - Remax's "Duthaich Taigheadas" > springs to mind...
> Ok gotta go teach my poor students what blocked lenition is
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