There is nothing better than lying in bed of a Sunday morning, and catching up with the weekly goings on in Hollyoaks. I think something like this would be ideal for Gaelic, it will appeal to a younger audinece and make them realise that Gaelic is not just about mournful songs and ghost stories and emigration etc.
But it has to be bold and push the boundaries. Machair tried it with a convicted drug dealer, which raised a few negative comments. If it is to appeal to a modern audience and be of relevance, then it should reflect modern life and tackle issues that exist; issues that are not easily brushed under the carpet.
On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I love Hollyoaks too, the storylines are really good, you never get bored. I think it would be great to have a soap aimed at teenagers in Gaelic. But Hollyoaks has a massive budget, something on this scale isn't realistic. I think a web based soap would be really good, with storylines in bitesized pieces - maybe even interactive where the audience can influence the storylines? There's real people power! Everyone's always on bebo anyway, so it would be easy to access. With stories we all want to talk about. But what does anyone else think?
Terry
On 29 Aug, 15:54, Iagan <jmacn...@webershandwick.com> wrote:
> There is nothing better than lying in bed of a Sunday morning, and > catching up with the weekly goings on in Hollyoaks. I think something > like this would be ideal for Gaelic, it will appeal to a younger > audinece and make them realise that Gaelic is not just about mournful > songs and ghost stories and emigration etc.
> But it has to be bold and push the boundaries. Machair tried it with a > convicted drug dealer, which raised a few negative comments. If it is > to appeal to a modern audience and be of relevance, then it should > reflect modern life and tackle issues that exist; issues that are not > easily brushed under the carpet.
> On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
you can`t produce `cool`. It either is or is not. Any attempt to make a programme `cool` results in ridicule.If you try to make Gaelic `funky ` or `hip` or `cool` you`ve had it.
Nobody is going to be ` gripped by Gaelic` . People are going to be gripped by the content, the ideas, the stylism, the dynamics. This nonsense of a programme being `cool` or `gripping` just because its in Gaelic has to stop.
all this talk about, `stuff` for the youth , `stuff` for the teens.?? Whats that all about? Do the rest of us not exist? The target audience is already a tiny proportion of the Scottish viewership...why narrow it down even further? cheers noonoo
On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I agree with there being nothing better than lying in bed on a Sunday morning and catching up on the week of Hollyoaks and i think having a Gaelic version of this would be brilliant. As a youth myself I think it would really appeal to people my age. If we want to keep our language and culture alive targeting young people is the way to do it, after all the future is in our hands. I'm not so sure about the web based soap, yet anyway, isn't a Gaelic channel what we are aiming for and not something which is web based?
> you can`t produce `cool`. It either is or is not. Any attempt to make > a programme `cool` results in ridicule.If you try to make Gaelic > `funky ` or `hip` or `cool` you`ve had it.
> Nobody is going to be ` gripped by Gaelic` . People are going to be > gripped by the content, the ideas, the stylism, the dynamics. This > nonsense of a programme being `cool` or `gripping` just because its in > Gaelic has to stop.
> all this talk about, `stuff` for the youth , `stuff` for the teens.?? > Whats that all about? Do the rest of us not exist? The target audience > is already a tiny proportion of the Scottish viewership...why narrow > it down even further? > cheers > noonoo
> On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
Uilleam/Noo noo, if you're just trying to be provocative that's good but seriously why shouldn't/couldn't a Gaelic soap or drama be attractive to young adults. Of course you can't just announce that something is cool, by definition you've already blown it, but you'd be surprised how often content makers make that very judgement error (in my humble opinion). The aspiration is surely to create relevant, must- see content in Gaelic that the viewers can then decide if its cool or not? Apropos other section of the audience, I'm not sure what you have in mind there but the spread of what GDS can offer is constrained by the funding it has not by its ambition. Stats on who watches what and age ranges available if you want but in the main its post 45 years unless for kids so you can see we have a problem getting to a large part of our audience (much like most broadcasters with much greater resources).
> you can`t produce `cool`. It either is or is not. Any attempt to make > a programme `cool` results in ridicule.If you try to make Gaelic > `funky ` or `hip` or `cool` you`ve had it.
> Nobody is going to be ` gripped by Gaelic` . People are going to be > gripped by the content, the ideas, the stylism, the dynamics. This > nonsense of a programme being `cool` or `gripping` just because its in > Gaelic has to stop.
> all this talk about, `stuff` for the youth , `stuff` for the teens.?? > Whats that all about? Do the rest of us not exist? The target audience > is already a tiny proportion of the Scottish viewership...why narrow > it down even further? > cheers > noonoo
> On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
Who would have thought Coronation Street was "cool", but apparently lots of hip, happening young creatures (and I don't count myself in this number as you might surmise) never miss an episode. Corrie isn't designed to have teen appeal but it draws a huge audience anyway -- of all ages. There's no reason why a Gaelic soap shouldn't be so successful. Is there ...?
On 30 Aug, 16:53, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Uilleam/Noo noo, if you're just trying to be provocative that's good > but seriously why shouldn't/couldn't a Gaelic soap or drama be > attractive to young adults. Of course you can't just announce that > something is cool, by definition you've already blown it, but you'd be > surprised how often content makers make that very judgement error (in > my humble opinion). The aspiration is surely to create relevant, must- > see content in Gaelic that the viewers can then decide if its cool or > not? Apropos other section of the audience, I'm not sure what you > have in mind there but the spread of what GDS can offer is constrained > by the funding it has not by its ambition. Stats on who watches what > and age ranges available if you want but in the main its post 45 years > unless for kids so you can see we have a problem getting to a large > part of our audience (much like most broadcasters with much greater > resources).
> > you can`t produce `cool`. It either is or is not. Any attempt to make > > a programme `cool` results in ridicule.If you try to make Gaelic > > `funky ` or `hip` or `cool` you`ve had it.
> > Nobody is going to be ` gripped by Gaelic` . People are going to be > > gripped by the content, the ideas, the stylism, the dynamics. This > > nonsense of a programme being `cool` or `gripping` just because its in > > Gaelic has to stop.
> > all this talk about, `stuff` for the youth , `stuff` for the teens.?? > > Whats that all about? Do the rest of us not exist? The target audience > > is already a tiny proportion of the Scottish viewership...why narrow > > it down even further? > > cheers > > noonoo
> > On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
> I agree with there being nothing better than lying in bed on a Sunday > morning and catching up on the week of Hollyoaks and i think having a > Gaelic version of this would be brilliant. As a youth myself I think > it would really appeal to people my age. If we want to keep our > language and culture alive targeting young people is the way to do it, > after all the future is in our hands. I'm not so sure about the web > based soap, yet anyway, isn't a Gaelic channel what we are aiming for > and not something which is web based?
> > you can`t produce `cool`. It either is or is not. Any attempt to make > > a programme `cool` results in ridicule.If you try to make Gaelic > > `funky ` or `hip` or `cool` you`ve had it.
> > Nobody is going to be ` gripped by Gaelic` . People are going to be > > gripped by the content, the ideas, the stylism, the dynamics. This > > nonsense of a programme being `cool` or `gripping` just because its in > > Gaelic has to stop.
> > all this talk about, `stuff` for the youth , `stuff` for the teens.?? > > Whats that all about? Do the rest of us not exist? The target audience > > is already a tiny proportion of the Scottish viewership...why narrow > > it down even further? > > cheers > > noonoo
> > On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
Margaret, you hit the nail on the head when you say "relevant and must see content" - that's what makes a program 'cool' and not labeling it cool from the outset. One of the main problems with attracting a younger audience at the moment is that none of the programs seem to be tackling issues that are relevant to them or fit into their lifestyle. New ideas need to emerge that will produce different programs for different age groups. My original question was what's cool and what's not but maybe the question really is - what's relevant for whom?
On Aug 29, 1:54 pm, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi again, Margaret, i was not trying to be provocative..Am too busy to indulge in provocation for the sake of it though I can`t help it if it comes across that way. I never said that a soap could not or should not be attractive to a younger audience? If there was 12 hours of new material a day, it might be feasable. What I was driving at is that soaps like corrie, eastenders et al do not have a target age or audience.They are watched by all classes and all ages simply because they are great programming. I think that the target audience for the new channel is already so small and the hours available so short that to focus in on one group would be a mistake.As far as aiming for a teen soap, that is. If the budgets there then why not...I don`t doubt the aspirations...but I`m pretty sure a full blown 26 ep a year soap isn`t on the cards. Happy to be corrected if it is.
And If content makers set out to seek something cool ,thats their bag. (c) Austin Powers.
so, Ishi...you rephrased to say `whats relevant, for whom`. IMO, thats a better question. There are almost as many `relevant` ideas as there are people to express them so I suppose you are going to have to distill down to a few broad groups as you can`t please everyone.I`m not preaching (though I`ll make a great minister someday) as I know you all know ! I think your going to have to have a couple or 3 `broad appeal` flagship programmes and some smaller `niche` ones tagged around the mainstays. I thing thats where the `youth/teen` angle lies.
Maybe you should start a `youth only` thread so oldies (ahem) like me don`t get on?
cheers and thanks for the thread, uilleam noonoo
On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Iagan mentioned Machair's drug dealer storyline. Machair was before my time (i.e. I didn't speak Gaelic in those days) so I didn't watch it and don't know the details, but I wonder why people objected to the storyline? Did the same people object to storylines involving drug use, crimes and violence in EastEnders or Brookside, or did they feel that it was inappropriate for island life to be depicted as anything other than idyllic?
> hi again, > Margaret, i was not trying to be provocative..Am too busy to indulge > in provocation for the sake of it though I can`t help it if it comes > across that way. I never said that a soap could not or should not be > attractive to a younger audience? If there was 12 hours of new > material a day, it might be feasable. What I was driving at is that > soaps like corrie, eastenders et al do not have a target age or > audience.They are watched by all classes and all ages simply because > they are great programming. I think that the target audience for the > new channel is already so small and the hours available so short that > to focus in on one group would be a mistake.As far as aiming for a > teen soap, that is. If the budgets there then why not...I don`t doubt > the aspirations...but I`m pretty sure a full blown 26 ep a year soap > isn`t on the cards. Happy to be corrected if it is.
> And If content makers set out to seek something cool ,thats their bag. > (c) Austin Powers.
> so, Ishi...you rephrased to say `whats relevant, for whom`. IMO, thats > a better question. There are almost as many `relevant` ideas as there > are people to express them so I suppose you are going to have to > distill down to a few broad groups as you can`t please everyone.I`m > not preaching (though I`ll make a great minister someday) as I know > you all know ! I think your going to have to have a couple or 3 `broad > appeal` flagship programmes and some smaller `niche` ones tagged > around the mainstays. I thing thats where the `youth/teen` angle lies.
> Maybe you should start a `youth only` thread so oldies (ahem) like me > don`t get on?
> cheers and thanks for the thread, > uilleam noonoo
> On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
>From memory, it's pretty much as you suggested. Questions were asked
why Gaelic culture should be presented in such a way? When in fact the series was trying to present modern culture and not suggest everybody who speaks Gaelic is into criminal activities. But I should put this in perspective, it didn't create the biggest stir in the world, there were the typical mutterings going on about it among a few who felt it was inappropriate.
Gaelic speakers of all ages must remember that for the langauge to survive in a modern multi-cultural Scotland, it has to be relevant and appeal across a wide spectrum of viewers. That will undoubtedly mean that any programming will have to tackle issues that affect modern Scotland - uncomfortable as some of those issues are.
On 31 Aug, 09:39, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Iagan mentioned Machair's drug dealer storyline. Machair was before my > time (i.e. I didn't speak Gaelic in those days) so I didn't watch it > and don't know the details, but I wonder why people objected to the > storyline? Did the same people object to storylines involving drug > use, crimes and violence in EastEnders or Brookside, or did they feel > that it was inappropriate for island life to be depicted as anything > other than idyllic?
> > hi again, > > Margaret, i was not trying to be provocative..Am too busy to indulge > > in provocation for the sake of it though I can`t help it if it comes > > across that way. I never said that a soap could not or should not be > > attractive to a younger audience? If there was 12 hours of new > > material a day, it might be feasable. What I was driving at is that > > soaps like corrie, eastenders et al do not have a target age or > > audience.They are watched by all classes and all ages simply because > > they are great programming. I think that the target audience for the > > new channel is already so small and the hours available so short that > > to focus in on one group would be a mistake.As far as aiming for a > > teen soap, that is. If the budgets there then why not...I don`t doubt > > the aspirations...but I`m pretty sure a full blown 26 ep a year soap > > isn`t on the cards. Happy to be corrected if it is.
> > And If content makers set out to seek something cool ,thats their bag. > > (c) Austin Powers.
> > so, Ishi...you rephrased to say `whats relevant, for whom`. IMO, thats > > a better question. There are almost as many `relevant` ideas as there > > are people to express them so I suppose you are going to have to > > distill down to a few broad groups as you can`t please everyone.I`m > > not preaching (though I`ll make a great minister someday) as I know > > you all know ! I think your going to have to have a couple or 3 `broad > > appeal` flagship programmes and some smaller `niche` ones tagged > > around the mainstays. I thing thats where the `youth/teen` angle lies.
> > Maybe you should start a `youth only` thread so oldies (ahem) like me > > don`t get on?
> > cheers and thanks for the thread, > > uilleam noonoo
> > On 29 Aug, 13:54, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > What's cool and what's not?- Hide quoted text -
I watch programmes like Hollyoaks and Skins and I enjoy both of them. I think a Gaelic version of one of these programmes would be a great idea. Maybe not a direct copy but something along the same lines would be good. We do need something to keep young people intereted in Gaelic and I think a Gaelic drama or soap would be the perfect thing to do this. In my opinion there is a huge gap in the market for teenagers, there are cartoons and kids programmes for pre-school age and there are more 'grown up' programmes about music, travelling etc but there isn't really enough to keep teenagers interested in the language.
OK! So I think we've narrowed the discussion down to what might be relevant programming for teens/young viewers. I think that this caters for two age ranges: 1. 14 - 18 yr olds and 2. 18 - 30 yr olds (approx). What sort of programming epitomises successful TV with regards to such audiences? I would probably be inclined to go for programs like those on 'Trouble' in the first case and the soaps in the latter - any other ideas? However I think 'Friends' is a great example of a series that catered for young and old alike - any other 'wonders' that have managed to cross the age boundaries?
On 31 Aug, 11:10, Diane <diane...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I watch programmes like Hollyoaks and Skins and I enjoy both of them. > I think a Gaelic version of one of these programmes would be a great > idea. Maybe not a direct copy but something along the same lines would > be good. We do need something to keep young people intereted in Gaelic > and I think a Gaelic drama or soap would be the perfect thing to do > this. In my opinion there is a huge gap in the market for teenagers, > there are cartoons and kids programmes for pre-school age and there > are more 'grown up' programmes about music, travelling etc but there > isn't really enough to keep teenagers interested in the language.
At the other end of the demographic spectrum, we ought to remember that there are a lot of older people who speak Gaelic and ought to have their tastes catered for. Murdo Angus mentions this in his Scotland on Sunday article (you can see a copy of this if you look at the "files" section at the bottom of the GMSblog home page). Whether anyone, regardless of their age, ought to be subjected to re-runs of old Mods and Calum Kennedy specials is a moot point, but I think he's right to highlight the interests of this agegroup.
One programme that has great appeal for retired people and for students (and for me, but I'm never at home to see it) is Countdown. Who might be the Des Lynam and Carol Vorderman of the Gaelic world, I wonder?
On 2 Sep, 23:31, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> OK! So I think we've narrowed the discussion down to what might be > relevant programming for teens/young viewers. I think that this > caters for two age ranges: 1. 14 - 18 yr olds and 2. 18 - 30 yr olds > (approx). What sort of programming epitomises successful TV with > regards to such audiences? I would probably be inclined to go for > programs like those on 'Trouble' in the first case and the soaps in > the latter - any other ideas? However I think 'Friends' is a great > example of a series that catered for young and old alike - any other > 'wonders' that have managed to cross the age boundaries?
> On 31 Aug, 11:10, Diane <diane...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I watch programmes like Hollyoaks and Skins and I enjoy both of them. > > I think a Gaelic version of one of these programmes would be a great > > idea. Maybe not a direct copy but something along the same lines would > > be good. We do need something to keep young people intereted in Gaelic > > and I think a Gaelic drama or soap would be the perfect thing to do > > this. In my opinion there is a huge gap in the market for teenagers, > > there are cartoons and kids programmes for pre-school age and there > > are more 'grown up' programmes about music, travelling etc but there > > isn't really enough to keep teenagers interested in the language.- Hide quoted text -
mmm Can't think of a Des or Carol but how about a Richard and Judy combination? Would a chat show work and appeal to a wide audience? Plenty scope with the likes: music inserts, special guests etc etc. Could also be a way of showcasing 5 minute dramas/sitcoms as was previously discussed on the forum.
On 3 Sep, 12:45, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> At the other end of the demographic spectrum, we ought to remember > that there are a lot of older people who speak Gaelic and ought to > have their tastes catered for. Murdo Angus mentions this in his > Scotland on Sunday article (you can see a copy of this if you look at > the "files" section at the bottom of the GMSblog home page). Whether > anyone, regardless of their age, ought to be subjected to re-runs of > old Mods and Calum Kennedy specials is a moot point, but I think he's > right to highlight the interests of this agegroup.
> One programme that has great appeal for retired people and for > students (and for me, but I'm never at home to see it) is Countdown. > Who might be the Des Lynam and Carol Vorderman of the Gaelic world, I > wonder?
> On 2 Sep, 23:31, Ishi <ban_gun_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > OK! So I think we've narrowed the discussion down to what might be > > relevant programming for teens/young viewers. I think that this > > caters for two age ranges: 1. 14 - 18 yr olds and 2. 18 - 30 yr olds > > (approx). What sort of programming epitomises successful TV with > > regards to such audiences? I would probably be inclined to go for > > programs like those on 'Trouble' in the first case and the soaps in > > the latter - any other ideas? However I think 'Friends' is a great > > example of a series that catered for young and old alike - any other > > 'wonders' that have managed to cross the age boundaries?
> > On 31 Aug, 11:10, Diane <diane...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I watch programmes like Hollyoaks and Skins and I enjoy both of them. > > > I think a Gaelic version of one of these programmes would be a great > > > idea. Maybe not a direct copy but something along the same lines would > > > be good. We do need something to keep young people intereted in Gaelic > > > and I think a Gaelic drama or soap would be the perfect thing to do > > > this. In my opinion there is a huge gap in the market for teenagers, > > > there are cartoons and kids programmes for pre-school age and there > > > are more 'grown up' programmes about music, travelling etc but there > > > isn't really enough to keep teenagers interested in the language.- Hide quoted text -
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