Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English follow?
On 29 Aug, 17:18, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be said of many news programmes.
On 30 Aug, 16:52, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > follow?
> On 29 Aug, 17:18, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
> > Is it to be "Same again please" or should Gaelic news set its own > > agenda? One-minute hits or 30-minute magazines?- Hide quoted text -
All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news services.
On 31 Aug, 10:02, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > said of many news programmes.
> On 30 Aug, 16:52, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > follow?
And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > services.
> On 31 Aug, 10:02, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
> > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > said of many news programmes.
> > On 30 Aug, 16:52, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > follow?
How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
On 1 Sep, 10:19, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > Hi fear-n,
> > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > services.
> > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > > said of many news programmes.
> > > On 30 Aug, 16:52, Alison <alison.l...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > > follow?
> > > > > Is it to be "Same again please" or should Gaelic news set its own > > > > > agenda? One-minute hits or 30-minute magazines?- Hide quoted text -
Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's not happening? And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, no gimmicks and no personality push.
On 4 Sep, 09:45, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> On 1 Sep, 10:19, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
> > Hi Margaret,
> > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi fear-n,
> > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > services.
> > > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > > > said of many news programmes.
> > > > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > > > follow?
> > > > > > Is it to be "Same again please" or should Gaelic news set its own > > > > > > agenda? One-minute hits or 30-minute magazines?- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of the Eorpa team?
On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > not happening? > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> On 4 Sep, 09:45, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
> > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > Hi fear-n,
> > > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > > services.
> > > > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > > > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > > > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > > > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > > > > said of many news programmes.
> > > > > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > > > > follow?
> > > > > > > Is it to be "Same again please" or should Gaelic news set its own > > > > > > > agenda? One-minute hits or 30-minute magazines?- Hide quoted text -
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Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
fear-naidheachd wrote: > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > the Eorpa team?
> On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > > not happening? > > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> > > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > > > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Hi fear-n,
> > > > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > > > services.
> > > > > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > > > > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > > > > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > > > > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > > > > > said of many news programmes.
> > > > > > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > > > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > > > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > > > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > > > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > > > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > > > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > > > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > > > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > > > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > > > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > > > > > follow?
> > > > > > > > Is it to be "Same again please" or should Gaelic news set its own > > > > > > > > agenda? One-minute hits or 30-minute magazines?- Hide quoted text -
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I think the idea of using bloggers, or people in an area is a good one for special reports. It would certainly be a new approach, as far as I know. The only thing that might suffer is the professionalism of the reporting... the actual delivery, but that in certain circumstances might not be so bad.
I think you are right also to raise the point that there might be a danger that correspondents may peddle cliches and givens without knowing enough about the local situation. Of course Eorpa get round this problem by being a mainly contributor-driven programme.
The local news is important without a doubt, but I can think of nothing better in terms of invigorating Gaelic news than hearing a Gaelic reporter speaking from the Hague, or the Antartic.
Such outlays would inevitably mean that reporters might have to double up and do some material for English channels? What are people's thoughts on that?
On 6 Sep, 15:38, "gòrdan_cànan" <gor...@canan.co.uk> wrote:
> Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. > If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at > some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr > nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) > fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
> The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their > voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current > affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ > American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... > than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to > denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we > get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and > ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
> With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine > sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. > Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most > appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer > wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending > too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very > talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
> I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making > these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but > with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you > could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
> By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around > Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
> Just ideas.
> Dùrachdan,
> Gòrdan
> fear-naidheachd wrote: > > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > > the Eorpa team?
> > On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > > > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > > > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > > > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > > > not happening? > > > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > > > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > > > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > > > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > > > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> > > > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > > > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > > > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi fear-n,
> > > > > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > > > > services.
> > > > > > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > > > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > > > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > > > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > > > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > > > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > > > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > > > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > > > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > > > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > > > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > > > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > > > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > > > > > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > > > > > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > > > > > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > > > > > > said of many news programmes.
> > > > > > > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > > > > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > > > > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > > > > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > > > > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > > > > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > > > > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > > > > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > > > > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > > > > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > > > > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > > > > > > follow?
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Some years ago Radio nan Gaidheal had a programme called "Thall Thairis" , taking comment from Gaelic-speakers around the world on events in their back yard. One memory that sticks is a regular contributor in South Africa who was clearly a big fan of the apartheid regime. My point is, it soon becomes clear most of these people are not professionals and not journalists, and not trained to recognise their own partiality. It would be a mistake to subsitute this kind of comment for reportage. But as a different kind of programme, honestly being what it is - a personal view from where it's at - it could be very engaging and interesting. And it really does help remind people that Gaels are not confined to a small corner of Scotland, and have a view on the world.
On 7 Sep, 09:45, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I think the idea of using bloggers, or people in an area is a good one > for special reports. It would certainly be a new approach, as far as I > know. The only thing that might suffer is the professionalism of the > reporting... the actual delivery, but that in certain circumstances > might not be so bad.
> I think you are right also to raise the point that there might be a > danger that correspondents may peddle cliches and givens without > knowing enough about the local situation. Of course Eorpa get round > this problem by being a mainly contributor-driven programme.
> The local news is important without a doubt, but I can think of > nothing better in terms of invigorating Gaelic news than hearing a > Gaelic reporter speaking from the Hague, or the Antartic.
> Such outlays would inevitably mean that reporters might have to double > up and do some material for English channels? What are people's > thoughts on that?
> On 6 Sep, 15:38, "gòrdan_cànan" <gor...@canan.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi a h-uile duine,
> > Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. > > If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at > > some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr > > nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) > > fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
> > The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their > > voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current > > affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ > > American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... > > than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to > > denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we > > get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and > > ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
> > With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine > > sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. > > Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most > > appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer > > wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending > > too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very > > talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
> > I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making > > these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but > > with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you > > could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
> > By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around > > Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
> > Just ideas.
> > Dùrachdan,
> > Gòrdan
> > fear-naidheachd wrote: > > > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > > > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > > > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > > > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > > > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > > > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > > > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > > > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > > > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > > > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > > > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > > > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > > > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > > > the Eorpa team?
> > > On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > > > > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > > > > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > > > > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > > > > not happening? > > > > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > > > > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > > > > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > > > > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > > > > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> > > > > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > > > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > > > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > > > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > > > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > > > > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > > > > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi fear-n,
> > > > > > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > > > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > > > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > > > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > > > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > > > > > services.
> > > > > > > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > > > > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > > > > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > > > > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > > > > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > > > > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > > > > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > > > > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > > > > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > > > > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > > > > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > > > > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > > > > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can think of stories we > > > > > > > > have seen which has been shown from one side in a conflict for > > > > > > > > example, does the Gaelic news want to pride itself for having an > > > > > > > > unusually objective stance when reporting? Something which cannot be > > > > > > > > said of many news programmes.
> > > > > > > > > Good question. There's a strong flavour of Londoncentrism in the BBC's > > > > > > > > > UK news offering (the World Service makes a refreshing change) and the > > > > > > > > > "Scottish Six" debate still hasn't got to the bottom of what we want > > > > > > > > > from a Scottish news service. Perhaps Gaelic news could lead the > > > > > > > > > way ... how about an environmental focus, for example? Or news from > > > > > > > > > our nearest neighbours -- Norway, Iceland, Ireland -- does the world > > > > > > > > > have to be seen through a prism that puts things in order of > > > > > > > > > importance thus -- London, Home (whose home?) Counties, Western > > > > > > > > > Europe, America, Rest of World, with Scotland somewhere near the > > > > > > > > > bottom of the list? If Gaelic news can break free from this mindset, > > > > > > > > > who knows ... where Gaelic leads might not Scottish news in English > > > > > > > > > follow?
Bannaghtyn veih Ellan Vannin She mish Adrian Cain - Gaelgeyr ta cummal as gobrraghey ayns Ellan Vannin.
Greetings from the Isle of Man. My name is Adrian Cain a Manx speaker who works and lives on the Island.
How about some regular Manx broadcasts from the Island? Traditionally we have been poorly served by the BBC here whilst we don't seem to have the resources for our own dedicated station (in English or Manx). The language is much stronger here than previously. Manx is an option in all the Island's schools; 55 children attend our Bunscoill Ghaelgagh (the first group will now be continuing their education - partly through Manx - at secondary school) and the language is very visible. I am sure people (Gaels and non-Manx speakers) on the Island would be keen for some kind of Manx Gaelic connection. Perhaps occassional newstories in Manx from Mannin or possibly a regular Manx language class for Gaidhlig speakers. It certainly would be a boost to Manx speakers here whilst it might help to demostrate/re-kindle the connections between Gaels in Scotland and here. Just a thought! Gura mie eu Adrian
On 7 Sep, 15:23, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Some years ago Radio nan Gaidheal had a programme called "Thall > Thairis" , taking comment from Gaelic-speakers around the world on > events in their back yard. One memory that sticks is a regular > contributor in South Africa who was clearly a big fan of the apartheid > regime. My point is, it soon becomes clear most of these people are > not professionals and not journalists, and not trained to recognise > their own partiality. It would be a mistake to subsitute this kind of > comment for reportage. But as a different kind of programme, honestly > being what it is - a personal view from where it's at - it could be > very engaging and interesting. And it really does help remind people > that Gaels are not confined to a small corner of Scotland, and have a > view on the world.
> On 7 Sep, 09:45, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
> > Hi a Ghordoin,
> > I think the idea of using bloggers, or people in an area is a good one > > for special reports. It would certainly be a new approach, as far as I > > know. The only thing that might suffer is the professionalism of the > > reporting... the actual delivery, but that in certain circumstances > > might not be so bad.
> > I think you are right also to raise the point that there might be a > > danger that correspondents may peddle cliches and givens without > > knowing enough about the local situation. Of course Eorpa get round > > this problem by being a mainly contributor-driven programme.
> > The local news is important without a doubt, but I can think of > > nothing better in terms of invigorating Gaelic news than hearing a > > Gaelic reporter speaking from the Hague, or the Antartic.
> > Such outlays would inevitably mean that reporters might have to double > > up and do some material for English channels? What are people's > > thoughts on that?
> > On 6 Sep, 15:38, "gòrdan_cànan" <gor...@canan.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi a h-uile duine,
> > > Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. > > > If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at > > > some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr > > > nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) > > > fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
> > > The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their > > > voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current > > > affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ > > > American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... > > > than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to > > > denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we > > > get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and > > > ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
> > > With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine > > > sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. > > > Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most > > > appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer > > > wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending > > > too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very > > > talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
> > > I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making > > > these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but > > > with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you > > > could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
> > > By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around > > > Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
> > > Just ideas.
> > > Dùrachdan,
> > > Gòrdan
> > > fear-naidheachd wrote: > > > > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > > > > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > > > > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > > > > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > > > > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > > > > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > > > > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > > > > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > > > > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > > > > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > > > > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > > > > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > > > > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > > > > the Eorpa team?
> > > > On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > > > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > > > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > > > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > > > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > > > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > > > > > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > > > > > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > > > > > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > > > > > not happening? > > > > > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > > > > > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > > > > > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > > > > > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > > > > > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> > > > > > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > > > > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > > > > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > > > > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > > > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > > > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > > > > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > > > > > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > > > > > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > > > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi fear-n,
> > > > > > > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > > > > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > > > > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > > > > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > > > > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > > > > > > services.
> > > > > > > > > As people know news gathering and reporting has a fairly standard > > > > > > > > > structure, the assumption being is that people are used to it and > > > > > > > > > that's the way they like their news. I agree that there is a degree of > > > > > > > > > centrism in all news, focusing on a particular area or audience. What > > > > > > > > > Gaelic news providers might want to ask is what do Gaelic viewers want > > > > > > > > > from their news? Something different may be the answer, or many people > > > > > > > > > may like the BBC format for instance and so want the opportunity to > > > > > > > > > watch that in Gaelic? I agree that introducing areas or subjects > > > > > > > > > seldom broached on other channels could be the way ahead. There's also > > > > > > > > > the question of an editorial policy, some news programmes are in > > > > > > > > > effect practicing campaigning journalism, where as others tend to try > > > > > > > > > and report the facts more often than not. Some news programmes > > > > > > > > > highlight little-known wars or issues. We all can
'S math cluinntinn bhuaibh, Adrian, agus nach math sin gu bheil Gaidhlig Eilean Mhanainn cho fallain.
On the question of Manx programmes or news stories, I think that's a question for Domhnall Caimbeul to answer. I pernsonally don't see any problem with it, in fact I think it would be a great idea to have some input from the Isle of Man and Ireland for that matter. Not sure how it would work, Gaelic subtitles for Irish Gaelic and Manx, why not. Hopefully someone from GMS will come back with a comment on this one. I'm all for it... although I guess it will take a while for the Gaelic programming itself to bed in before looking to incoroprate other strands.
> Bannaghtyn veih Ellan Vannin > She mish Adrian Cain - Gaelgeyr ta cummal as gobrraghey ayns Ellan > Vannin.
> Greetings from the Isle of Man. My name is Adrian Cain a Manx speaker > who works and lives on the Island.
> How about some regular Manx broadcasts from the Island? Traditionally > we have been poorly served by the BBC here whilst we don't seem to > have the resources for our own dedicated station (in English or > Manx). > The language is much stronger here than previously. Manx is an option > in all the Island's schools; 55 children attend our Bunscoill > Ghaelgagh (the first group will now be continuing their education - > partly through Manx - at secondary school) and the language is very > visible. > I am sure people (Gaels and non-Manx speakers) on the Island would be > keen for some kind of Manx Gaelic connection. Perhaps occassional > newstories in Manx from Mannin or possibly a regular Manx language > class for Gaidhlig speakers. > It certainly would be a boost to Manx speakers here whilst it might > help to demostrate/re-kindle the connections between Gaels in Scotland > and here. > Just a thought! > Gura mie eu > Adrian
> On 7 Sep, 15:23, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Some years ago Radio nan Gaidheal had a programme called "Thall > > Thairis" , taking comment from Gaelic-speakers around the world on > > events in their back yard. One memory that sticks is a regular > > contributor in South Africa who was clearly a big fan of the apartheid > > regime. My point is, it soon becomes clear most of these people are > > not professionals and not journalists, and not trained to recognise > > their own partiality. It would be a mistake to subsitute this kind of > > comment for reportage. But as a different kind of programme, honestly > > being what it is - a personal view from where it's at - it could be > > very engaging and interesting. And it really does help remind people > > that Gaels are not confined to a small corner of Scotland, and have a > > view on the world.
> > > I think the idea of using bloggers, or people in an area is a good one > > > for special reports. It would certainly be a new approach, as far as I > > > know. The only thing that might suffer is the professionalism of the > > > reporting... the actual delivery, but that in certain circumstances > > > might not be so bad.
> > > I think you are right also to raise the point that there might be a > > > danger that correspondents may peddle cliches and givens without > > > knowing enough about the local situation. Of course Eorpa get round > > > this problem by being a mainly contributor-driven programme.
> > > The local news is important without a doubt, but I can think of > > > nothing better in terms of invigorating Gaelic news than hearing a > > > Gaelic reporter speaking from the Hague, or the Antartic.
> > > Such outlays would inevitably mean that reporters might have to double > > > up and do some material for English channels? What are people's > > > thoughts on that?
> > > On 6 Sep, 15:38, "gòrdan_cànan" <gor...@canan.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Hi a h-uile duine,
> > > > Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. > > > > If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at > > > > some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr > > > > nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) > > > > fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
> > > > The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their > > > > voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current > > > > affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ > > > > American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... > > > > than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to > > > > denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we > > > > get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and > > > > ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
> > > > With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine > > > > sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. > > > > Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most > > > > appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer > > > > wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending > > > > too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very > > > > talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
> > > > I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making > > > > these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but > > > > with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you > > > > could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
> > > > By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around > > > > Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
> > > > Just ideas.
> > > > Dùrachdan,
> > > > Gòrdan
> > > > fear-naidheachd wrote: > > > > > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > > > > > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > > > > > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > > > > > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > > > > > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > > > > > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > > > > > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > > > > > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > > > > > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > > > > > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > > > > > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > > > > > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > > > > > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > > > > > the Eorpa team?
> > > > > On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > > > > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > > > > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > > > > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > > > > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > > > > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > > > > > > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > > > > > > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > > > > > > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > > > > > > not happening? > > > > > > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > > > > > > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > > > > > > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > > > > > > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > > > > > > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> > > > > > > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > > > > > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > > > > > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > > > > > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > > > > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > > > > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > > > > > > into the BBC news network will help in this respect, but for the > > > > > > > > Gaelic news to then come up with fresh, innovative reporting on top of > > > > > > > > the headlines, will be a challenge. New technology may help.
> > > > > > > > On 31 Aug, 13:49, Margaret Cameron <marga...@gms.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi fear-n,
> > > > > > > > > All fair points, all I can say is for me personally Al-jazeera was a > > > > > > > > > good example of how to give that other side of the story and attract a > > > > > > > > > jaded "24 hour newsed-out" (if there's such a phrase) audience. The > > > > > > > > > challenge for Gaelic news is not to be a shadow of its English > > > > > > > > > language counterparts in Scotland/within the BBC suite of news > > > > > > > > > services.
Mish Paul Rogers, ta mee gobbyr ec y Vunscoill Ghaelgagh ayns Mannin. By vie lhiam fakin claareyn Gaelgagh er y chellveeih, foddee cartoonyn son paitchyn as cooishyn naight. Cre mysh jannoo ny fo-heidyllyn ayns Baarle son veagh shen cooney lesh Baarleyryn ayns Mannin ta gynsaghey Gaelg.
I'm Paul Rogers and I work at the Manx Gaelic Primary School in Mannin. I'd like to see some Manx language programmes on the tv, maybe cartoons for children and news items. What about doing the subtitles in English because that would help English speakers who are trying to learn Manx.
Gura mie eu. Paul
On 11 Sep, 11:07, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 'S math cluinntinn bhuaibh, Adrian, agus nach math sin gu bheil > Gaidhlig Eilean Mhanainn cho fallain.
> On the question of Manx programmes or news stories, I think that's a > question for Domhnall Caimbeul to answer. I pernsonally don't see any > problem with it, in fact I think it would be a great idea to have some > input from the Isle of Man and Ireland for that matter. Not sure how > it would work, Gaelic subtitles for Irish Gaelic and Manx, why not. > Hopefully someone from GMS will come back with a comment on this one. > I'm all for it... although I guess it will take a while for the Gaelic > programming itself to bed in before looking to incoroprate other > strands.
> > Bannaghtyn veih Ellan Vannin > > She mish Adrian Cain - Gaelgeyr ta cummal as gobrraghey ayns Ellan > > Vannin.
> > Greetings from the Isle of Man. My name is Adrian Cain a Manx speaker > > who works and lives on the Island.
> > How about some regular Manx broadcasts from the Island? Traditionally > > we have been poorly served by the BBC here whilst we don't seem to > > have the resources for our own dedicated station (in English or > > Manx). > > The language is much stronger here than previously. Manx is an option > > in all the Island's schools; 55 children attend our Bunscoill > > Ghaelgagh (the first group will now be continuing their education - > > partly through Manx - at secondary school) and the language is very > > visible. > > I am sure people (Gaels and non-Manx speakers) on the Island would be > > keen for some kind of Manx Gaelic connection. Perhaps occassional > > newstories in Manx from Mannin or possibly a regular Manx language > > class for Gaidhlig speakers. > > It certainly would be a boost to Manx speakers here whilst it might > > help to demostrate/re-kindle the connections between Gaels in Scotland > > and here. > > Just a thought! > > Gura mie eu > > Adrian
> > On 7 Sep, 15:23, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Some years ago Radio nan Gaidheal had a programme called "Thall > > > Thairis" , taking comment from Gaelic-speakers around the world on > > > events in their back yard. One memory that sticks is a regular > > > contributor in South Africa who was clearly a big fan of the apartheid > > > regime. My point is, it soon becomes clear most of these people are > > > not professionals and not journalists, and not trained to recognise > > > their own partiality. It would be a mistake to subsitute this kind of > > > comment for reportage. But as a different kind of programme, honestly > > > being what it is - a personal view from where it's at - it could be > > > very engaging and interesting. And it really does help remind people > > > that Gaels are not confined to a small corner of Scotland, and have a > > > view on the world.
> > > > I think the idea of using bloggers, or people in an area is a good one > > > > for special reports. It would certainly be a new approach, as far as I > > > > know. The only thing that might suffer is the professionalism of the > > > > reporting... the actual delivery, but that in certain circumstances > > > > might not be so bad.
> > > > I think you are right also to raise the point that there might be a > > > > danger that correspondents may peddle cliches and givens without > > > > knowing enough about the local situation. Of course Eorpa get round > > > > this problem by being a mainly contributor-driven programme.
> > > > The local news is important without a doubt, but I can think of > > > > nothing better in terms of invigorating Gaelic news than hearing a > > > > Gaelic reporter speaking from the Hague, or the Antartic.
> > > > Such outlays would inevitably mean that reporters might have to double > > > > up and do some material for English channels? What are people's > > > > thoughts on that?
> > > > > Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. > > > > > If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at > > > > > some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr > > > > > nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) > > > > > fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
> > > > > The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their > > > > > voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current > > > > > affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ > > > > > American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... > > > > > than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to > > > > > denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we > > > > > get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and > > > > > ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
> > > > > With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine > > > > > sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. > > > > > Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most > > > > > appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer > > > > > wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending > > > > > too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very > > > > > talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
> > > > > I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making > > > > > these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but > > > > > with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you > > > > > could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
> > > > > By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around > > > > > Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
> > > > > Just ideas.
> > > > > Dùrachdan,
> > > > > Gòrdan
> > > > > fear-naidheachd wrote: > > > > > > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > > > > > > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > > > > > > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > > > > > > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > > > > > > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > > > > > > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > > > > > > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > > > > > > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > > > > > > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > > > > > > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > > > > > > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > > > > > > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > > > > > > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > > > > > > the Eorpa team?
> > > > > > On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > > > > > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > > > > > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > > > > > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > > > > > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > > > > > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers news) on > > > > > > > Reporting Scotland. We don't have a reserved territory for daily > > > > > > > health news/parliament news/celebrityvisitingscotland news/education > > > > > > > news. Why is sport so special it has to be reported on even when it's > > > > > > > not happening? > > > > > > > And please can our new channel avoid this 'have your say' mania? I'm > > > > > > > sick to the back teeth of 'ranter in Ranish' being urged to text in. > > > > > > > And viewers' cute kitty pics on the Six o' clock News. Aaaargh! I'd > > > > > > > just like a professional to deliver the news to me well, impartially, > > > > > > > no gimmicks and no personality push.
> > > > > > > > How much sport or entertainment do we want with our news? Do we want > > > > > > > > features on concerts or films in addition to the news? If you had a > > > > > > > > story would you email it to GaelicNews.com? Or your film clips/pics?
> > > > > > > > > And that challenge will, like most things in life, be dependent partly > > > > > > > > > on money. Budgets allow ideas to be realised, and I would imagine a > > > > > > > > > live news service will cost a fair amount. No doubt being able to plug > > > > > > > > > into the BBC news
Charjeen Vannin fastyr mie! How good to hear from you Adrian. I just looked at your new website http://www.learnmanx.com/index.html - what a great job you have made of it. Congratulations.
Adrian, Paul and Fear-naidheachd, GMS sees our relationships with our all Celtic cousins as hugely enriching and vital for the future. Manx and Gaeilge (Irish) are particularly close to Gaelic and we look forward to working on joint projects where we can share benefits across those languages. We are very open to the possibility of some Manx content on the new Gaelic channel. Personally I think it could enrich our offering. To be very practical on this, there are two caveats: (1) we could not fund Manx content or the versioning to Manx of an existing programme (because our remit is Gaelic only) and (2) editorial vision and audience demand will play a part in determining what content is carried. Therefore I see the possibility for co- financing projects, where combining budgets and resources could lead to content being created in both languages that otherwise would not be possible in either language. Does this make sense? D
On 11 Sep, 12:55, p.rog...@bunscoill.sch.im wrote:
> Mish Paul Rogers, ta mee gobbyr ec y Vunscoill Ghaelgagh ayns Mannin. > By vie lhiam fakin claareyn Gaelgagh er y chellveeih, foddee cartoonyn > son paitchyn as cooishyn naight. Cre mysh jannoo ny fo-heidyllyn ayns > Baarle son veagh shen cooney lesh Baarleyryn ayns Mannin ta gynsaghey > Gaelg.
> I'm Paul Rogers and I work at the Manx Gaelic Primary School in > Mannin. I'd like to see some Manx language programmes on the tv, > maybe cartoons for children and news items. What about doing the > subtitles in English because that would help English speakers who are > trying to learn Manx.
> Gura mie eu. > Paul
> On 11 Sep, 11:07, fear-naidheachd <fearnaidhea...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
> > 'S math cluinntinn bhuaibh, Adrian, agus nach math sin gu bheil > > Gaidhlig Eilean Mhanainn cho fallain.
> > On the question of Manx programmes or news stories, I think that's a > > question for Domhnall Caimbeul to answer. I pernsonally don't see any > > problem with it, in fact I think it would be a great idea to have some > > input from the Isle of Man and Ireland for that matter. Not sure how > > it would work, Gaelic subtitles for Irish Gaelic and Manx, why not. > > Hopefully someone from GMS will come back with a comment on this one. > > I'm all for it... although I guess it will take a while for the Gaelic > > programming itself to bed in before looking to incoroprate other > > strands.
> > Gach durachd
> > f-n
> > On 10 Sep, 12:48, greinney...@mhf.org.im wrote:
> > > Bannaghtyn veih Ellan Vannin > > > She mish Adrian Cain - Gaelgeyr ta cummal as gobrraghey ayns Ellan > > > Vannin.
> > > Greetings from the Isle of Man. My name is Adrian Cain a Manx speaker > > > who works and lives on the Island.
> > > How about some regular Manx broadcasts from the Island? Traditionally > > > we have been poorly served by the BBC here whilst we don't seem to > > > have the resources for our own dedicated station (in English or > > > Manx). > > > The language is much stronger here than previously. Manx is an option > > > in all the Island's schools; 55 children attend our Bunscoill > > > Ghaelgagh (the first group will now be continuing their education - > > > partly through Manx - at secondary school) and the language is very > > > visible. > > > I am sure people (Gaels and non-Manx speakers) on the Island would be > > > keen for some kind of Manx Gaelic connection. Perhaps occassional > > > newstories in Manx from Mannin or possibly a regular Manx language > > > class for Gaidhlig speakers. > > > It certainly would be a boost to Manx speakers here whilst it might > > > help to demostrate/re-kindle the connections between Gaels in Scotland > > > and here. > > > Just a thought! > > > Gura mie eu > > > Adrian
> > > On 7 Sep, 15:23, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > Some years ago Radio nan Gaidheal had a programme called "Thall > > > > Thairis" , taking comment from Gaelic-speakers around the world on > > > > events in their back yard. One memory that sticks is a regular > > > > contributor in South Africa who was clearly a big fan of the apartheid > > > > regime. My point is, it soon becomes clear most of these people are > > > > not professionals and not journalists, and not trained to recognise > > > > their own partiality. It would be a mistake to subsitute this kind of > > > > comment for reportage. But as a different kind of programme, honestly > > > > being what it is - a personal view from where it's at - it could be > > > > very engaging and interesting. And it really does help remind people > > > > that Gaels are not confined to a small corner of Scotland, and have a > > > > view on the world.
> > > > > I think the idea of using bloggers, or people in an area is a good one > > > > > for special reports. It would certainly be a new approach, as far as I > > > > > know. The only thing that might suffer is the professionalism of the > > > > > reporting... the actual delivery, but that in certain circumstances > > > > > might not be so bad.
> > > > > I think you are right also to raise the point that there might be a > > > > > danger that correspondents may peddle cliches and givens without > > > > > knowing enough about the local situation. Of course Eorpa get round > > > > > this problem by being a mainly contributor-driven programme.
> > > > > The local news is important without a doubt, but I can think of > > > > > nothing better in terms of invigorating Gaelic news than hearing a > > > > > Gaelic reporter speaking from the Hague, or the Antartic.
> > > > > Such outlays would inevitably mean that reporters might have to double > > > > > up and do some material for English channels? What are people's > > > > > thoughts on that?
> > > > > > Seo a' chiad fhreagairt agam ... an dòchas gum bi e a' dèanamh ciall. > > > > > > If we're talking about foreign correspondents, how about looking at > > > > > > some of the people behind the blogs, like those you can find on 'Tìr > > > > > > nam Blog'? I appreciate that not all would be interested or (possibly) > > > > > > fluent enough, but they could be a starting point.
> > > > > > The chances are that if they are switched on enough to make their > > > > > > voices heard on a Gaelic blog, they'll be engaged with the current > > > > > > affairs of their locale - maybe have a greater understanding of German/ > > > > > > American/Canadian politics or environmental issues or culture or .... > > > > > > than a journalist coming cold to a story or country. And that's not to > > > > > > denigrate anyone's research skills, but just think of how agitated we > > > > > > get when someone 'researches' a story on the Highlands and Islands and > > > > > > ends up perpetrating the usual myths and stereotypes.
> > > > > > With the bottom line of the budget being so critical, I'd imagine > > > > > > sending camera crew/presenter abroad is a very significant outlay. > > > > > > Combine these type of people with 'Eòrpa' (probably the most > > > > > > appreciated Gaelic programme among non-Gaels) and that might offer > > > > > > wider coverage than could traditionally be afforded, without spending > > > > > > too much on one strand/approach/series and leaving a lot of very > > > > > > talented and capable Gaelic TV/radio professionals at a loose end?
> > > > > > I'm not necessarily advocating a 'loose change' approach to making > > > > > > these sort of programmes (as I've never been involved in them) but > > > > > > with a bit of remote coaching/direction and local camera crews you > > > > > > could have a series of 'Our Correspondent in ...' features.
> > > > > > By the same token, we've got enough people blogging from around > > > > > > Scotland in Gaelic. Dispatch a cameraman/sound recordist ....
> > > > > > Just ideas.
> > > > > > Dùrachdan,
> > > > > > Gòrdan
> > > > > > fear-naidheachd wrote: > > > > > > > Straight news then, no quirky stories? No indepth reports? I agree > > > > > > > that we don't want sport or football filling up the news bulletins, > > > > > > > but occasionally sporting events, just like other events, do merit > > > > > > > news coverage. What about an event such as the Mod, of great interest > > > > > > > to a lot of people, but you can hardly describe it as hard news? Do > > > > > > > people like the studio experts expounding on the news, or just > > > > > > > reporting, plain and simple? By stopping the 'ranters in Ranish' are > > > > > > > you preventing people airing their views, consequential or otherwise? > > > > > > > One thing I think would really dynamise Gaelic news is at least some > > > > > > > foreign correspondents, I know it's a pipe dream. Maybe not though, if > > > > > > > the foreign correspondent travelled to certain areas to research a > > > > > > > story, they wouldn't necessarliy have to be in the think of every > > > > > > > breaking story, but could deliver special reports. Why not use some of > > > > > > > the Eorpa team?
> > > > > > > On 4 Sep, 16:04, Conacag <cona...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh please, please let's not turn into radio-compulsory-football aka > > > > > > > > Radio Scotland news bulletins. Where hour after hour, every day of > > > > > > > > the week, something inane, inconsequential, and totally un-newsworthy > > > > > > > > has to be tacked on to every bulletin. And called sport - which of > > > > > > > > course is football, in the same way that England is Britain. > > > > > > > > Same for the fill-the-spot approach (colour by numbers
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