I was told that the key to trail running is: keeping about the same
amount of exertion/effort throughout (whether uphill, downhill or
flat). Is this true and is the best way to judge this the breath/
breathing rate?
Also, what do people think of a rucsac type hydration system (eg.
Camelbak) versus a hip mounted bottle holder (eg. Lafuma). In other
words, weight ditributed across shoulders, back and hips (but sweaty)
versus a lot of jangely weight on the hips? What's best? Opinions,
please?
Afternoon, I've done a few ultra trail races (ranging from 30 2 100 milers) the best option I've found is too run the flats & down hills and WALK the hills (while walking the hills eat and drink!)
Re hydration systems - i've got a belt that has 2 hip mounted bottle holders and a bun bag in between - this works for me - remember what works for 1 person doesn't work for another - go with what you feel is best for you!
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 04:31:29 -0700> Subject: key to successful trail running & hydration system> From: vincebee...@twofour.co.uk> To: endurancelife@googlegroups.com> > > I was told that the key to trail running is: keeping about the same> amount of exertion/effort throughout (whether uphill, downhill or> flat). Is this true and is the best way to judge this the breath/> breathing rate?> > Also, what do people think of a rucsac type hydration system (eg.> Camelbak) versus a hip mounted bottle holder (eg. Lafuma). In other> words, weight ditributed across shoulders, back and hips (but sweaty)> versus a lot of jangely weight on the hips? What's best? Opinions,> please?> > Cheers. Vince> > >
I agree with what you've been told. Try to avoid over exerting
yourself when going uphill. Even though it might feel like you should
be running or going faster, it is important to keep a steady and
comfortable pace. The same principal applies to going downhill to
some extent, especially as downhill running puts a lot of strain on
your joints. What feels most comfortable and steady seems to work for
me!
I prefer to run with my Lafuma backpack hydration system, especially
over longer distances. I find the bumbag bottle holder ok for shorter
runs, but when I'm running for longer periods, it's more comfortable
to have something snub against my back, instead of jaggling round.
Yeh it makes your back sweaty but when you're running, you sweat like
a beast anyway, don't you?!
Hope you find out what works for you, and keep on posting questions if
you have any.
> I was told that the key to trail running is: keeping about the same
> amount of exertion/effort throughout (whether uphill, downhill or
> flat). Is this true and is the best way to judge this the breath/
> breathing rate?
> Also, what do people think of a rucsac type hydration system (eg.
> Camelbak) versus a hip mounted bottle holder (eg. Lafuma). In other
> words, weight ditributed across shoulders, back and hips (but sweaty)
> versus a lot of jangely weight on the hips? What's best? Opinions,
> please?
I found the hip pack thing terribly irritating as it moved around
because of that I would imagine it chafes more over longer distances
(i don't know though because I only ran once with a hip/bum bag pack
and hated it with such a passion I got rid).
On the back pack thing though, I think there are better and worse back
packs. I have a Camelbak and a Salomon and much prefer the Salomon
because the women's Camelbak is quite wide and covers too much of my
back where as my women's Salomon is nice and slim and fits snuggly
into the centre of my back. It also has very intelligent straps. That
said, there is a much, much bigger range of bloke's Camelbaks which
means you have options on the skinnier ones that women don't have and
I think you will find actually runner specific ones. I can't really
get away with a blokes Camelbak because I do actually have a chest
(straps in the wrong places) but some women are okay with them.
Like most running/technical kit there is an element of you get what
you pay for and a little extra cost probably means a better and more
comfortable product.
That's my thoughts anyway for what it's worth.
On 19 Jun, 22:07, Will Turner <w...@endurancelife.com> wrote:
> I agree with what you've been told. Try to avoid over exerting
> yourself when going uphill. Even though it might feel like you should
> be running or going faster, it is important to keep a steady and
> comfortable pace. The same principal applies to going downhill to
> some extent, especially as downhill running puts a lot of strain on
> your joints. What feels most comfortable and steady seems to work for
> me!
> I prefer to run with my Lafuma backpack hydration system, especially
> over longer distances. I find the bumbag bottle holder ok for shorter
> runs, but when I'm running for longer periods, it's more comfortable
> to have something snub against my back, instead of jaggling round.
> Yeh it makes your back sweaty but when you're running, you sweat like
> a beast anyway, don't you?!
> Hope you find out what works for you, and keep on posting questions if
> you have any.
> Cheers, Will
> On 2 Jun, 12:31, vincebee...@twofour.co.uk wrote:
> > I was told that the key to trail running is: keeping about the same
> > amount of exertion/effort throughout (whether uphill, downhill or
> > flat). Is this true and is the best way to judge this the breath/
> > breathing rate?
> > Also, what do people think of a rucsac type hydration system (eg.
> > Camelbak) versus a hip mounted bottle holder (eg. Lafuma). In other
> > words, weight ditributed across shoulders, back and hips (but sweaty)
> > versus a lot of jangely weight on the hips? What's best? Opinions,
> > please?
I use an Inov-8 pack that uses a horizontal bladder that sits around the lower back and around the hips slightly. I prefer that to the Camelbak system where the water is vertical and fairly central on the back. The bladder is a little difficult to clean and dry properly due to divisions in the bladder (presumably to ensure that it bends nicely around the hips), although that said, these Source bladders seem to tolerate "not cleaning" for a bit longer than the Camelbaks. My female team mate uses the same pack (it's the RacePro 12, from memory) but finds that the straps rub quite a bit on her neck.
Em wrote: > I found the hip pack thing terribly irritating as it moved around > because of that I would imagine it chafes more over longer distances > (i don't know though because I only ran once with a hip/bum bag pack > and hated it with such a passion I got rid).
> On the back pack thing though, I think there are better and worse back > packs. I have a Camelbak and a Salomon and much prefer the Salomon > because the women's Camelbak is quite wide and covers too much of my > back where as my women's Salomon is nice and slim and fits snuggly > into the centre of my back. It also has very intelligent straps. That > said, there is a much, much bigger range of bloke's Camelbaks which > means you have options on the skinnier ones that women don't have and > I think you will find actually runner specific ones. I can't really > get away with a blokes Camelbak because I do actually have a chest > (straps in the wrong places) but some women are okay with them.
> Like most running/technical kit there is an element of you get what > you pay for and a little extra cost probably means a better and more > comfortable product.
> That's my thoughts anyway for what it's worth.
> On 19 Jun, 22:07, Will Turner <w...@endurancelife.com> wrote:
>> Hi Vince
>> I agree with what you've been told. Try to avoid over exerting >> yourself when going uphill. Even though it might feel like you should >> be running or going faster, it is important to keep a steady and >> comfortable pace. The same principal applies to going downhill to >> some extent, especially as downhill running puts a lot of strain on >> your joints. What feels most comfortable and steady seems to work for >> me!
>> I prefer to run with my Lafuma backpack hydration system, especially >> over longer distances. I find the bumbag bottle holder ok for shorter >> runs, but when I'm running for longer periods, it's more comfortable >> to have something snub against my back, instead of jaggling round. >> Yeh it makes your back sweaty but when you're running, you sweat like >> a beast anyway, don't you?!
>> Hope you find out what works for you, and keep on posting questions if >> you have any.
>> Cheers, Will
>> On 2 Jun, 12:31, vincebee...@twofour.co.uk wrote:
>>> I was told that the key to trail running is: keeping about the same >>> amount of exertion/effort throughout (whether uphill, downhill or >>> flat). Is this true and is the best way to judge this the breath/ >>> breathing rate?
>>> Also, what do people think of a rucsac type hydration system (eg. >>> Camelbak) versus a hip mounted bottle holder (eg. Lafuma). In other >>> words, weight ditributed across shoulders, back and hips (but sweaty) >>> versus a lot of jangely weight on the hips? What's best? Opinions, >>> please?
I have found the OMM backpacks with camel pack bladder work very well for endurance events when you need a small backpack too. I've had no issues with rubbing either. We just completed the Inca Trail Marathon and it was perfect over 8hr race with no rubbing, sufficient room for gear, water and gels with side pockets that work well for easy access. Its also very light. I am interested in any ideas on just a bladder without backpack that work for women however? Thanks Tish
On 20/06/2008, Em <emma.whittle...@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
> I found the hip pack thing terribly irritating as it moved around > because of that I would imagine it chafes more over longer distances > (i don't know though because I only ran once with a hip/bum bag pack > and hated it with such a passion I got rid).
> On the back pack thing though, I think there are better and worse back > packs. I have a Camelbak and a Salomon and much prefer the Salomon > because the women's Camelbak is quite wide and covers too much of my > back where as my women's Salomon is nice and slim and fits snuggly > into the centre of my back. It also has very intelligent straps. That > said, there is a much, much bigger range of bloke's Camelbaks which > means you have options on the skinnier ones that women don't have and > I think you will find actually runner specific ones. I can't really > get away with a blokes Camelbak because I do actually have a chest > (straps in the wrong places) but some women are okay with them.
> Like most running/technical kit there is an element of you get what > you pay for and a little extra cost probably means a better and more > comfortable product.
> That's my thoughts anyway for what it's worth.
> On 19 Jun, 22:07, Will Turner <w...@endurancelife.com> wrote: > > Hi Vince
> > I agree with what you've been told. Try to avoid over exerting > > yourself when going uphill. Even though it might feel like you should > > be running or going faster, it is important to keep a steady and > > comfortable pace. The same principal applies to going downhill to > > some extent, especially as downhill running puts a lot of strain on > > your joints. What feels most comfortable and steady seems to work for > > me!
> > I prefer to run with my Lafuma backpack hydration system, especially > > over longer distances. I find the bumbag bottle holder ok for shorter > > runs, but when I'm running for longer periods, it's more comfortable > > to have something snub against my back, instead of jaggling round. > > Yeh it makes your back sweaty but when you're running, you sweat like > > a beast anyway, don't you?!
> > Hope you find out what works for you, and keep on posting questions if > > you have any.
> > Cheers, Will
> > On 2 Jun, 12:31, vincebee...@twofour.co.uk wrote:
> > > I was told that the key to trail running is: keeping about the same > > > amount of exertion/effort throughout (whether uphill, downhill or > > > flat). Is this true and is the best way to judge this the breath/ > > > breathing rate?
> > > Also, what do people think of a rucsac type hydration system (eg. > > > Camelbak) versus a hip mounted bottle holder (eg. Lafuma). In other > > > words, weight ditributed across shoulders, back and hips (but sweaty) > > > versus a lot of jangely weight on the hips? What's best? Opinions, > > > please?
