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11.  JYA  
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 More options 5 Apr 2008, 07:01
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From: JYA <nos...@nospam.blah>
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:01:50 +1100
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Subject: Re: [UPDATED} EDGE: new kind of plotter
Hi

On 2008-04-05 16:41:39 +1100, "John H Meyers" <jhmey...@nomail.invalid> said:
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Where to play?

Oops , sorry, in my eagerness to post I forgot the URL
http://www.hydrix.com/edge2/graph.php

It's still under testing, so I haven't put it at the main URL yet ...

Jean-Yves

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12.  Gjermund Skailand  
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From: "Gjermund Skailand" <skaiguard-t...@yahoo.no>
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:26:54 +0200
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Subject: Re: [UPDATED} EDGE: new kind of plotter

"JYA" <nos...@nospam.blah> wrote in message

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> Hi

This plot looks nice, has a fractal like feel, especially if you zoom in on
the "stars" :)

http://www.hydrix.com/edge2/graph.php?reln=sin%28x%5E2%2Ay%29+%3Dln%2...

best regards
Gjermund


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13.  Dueño de Monte  
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 More options 8 Apr 2008, 16:20
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From: Dueño de Monte <duenodemo...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [UPDATED} EDGE: new kind of plotter
Its very hard to do good simple things, because must of the good ones
are not simple, but with this one you made it !  Congratulations !

Looks clear and simple but does whatever I needed, easy, fast, and
very accurated.

Daniel


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14.  Saturn rising  
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 More options 4 Nov 2007, 07:55
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From: Saturn rising <n...@nyet.nyet>
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:55:05 -0600
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter

Wes wrote:

 > When I got my 49g+, I was thrilled that it could do truth plots,
 > but when I saw the pixel-by-pixel method it used,
 > I realized that it was practically unusable.

Nothing to compare with EDGE, but...

Faster inequality plot (with SHADE), and
faster "truth" plot (INPLOT, by HP's own Jim Donnelly):
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48/browse_thread/thread/590...

 > Edge will add so much.

Leading, trailing, cutting, bleeding, or competitive?

Did you know that just as "all roads lead to Rome,"
all Edge's lead to my own home?

http://www.edge.org/
FLY ME TO THE MOONS OF SATURN
Video, with Carolyn Porco, imaging team leader, Cassini mission.

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uggc://fgngvp.ivqrbrtt.pbz/grq/zbivrf/PNEBYLACBEPB-2007_uvtu.syi

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15.  Greg M.  
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From: "Greg M." <grego...@insightbb.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:17:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter

JYA wrote:
> On 2007-11-03 07:44:48 +1100, sc_use...@hotmail.com said:

>> Wow. Sounds incredible. Where can I get it for the 50g? (or is it
>> still in beta testing?)

> The code for the HP50 isn't publicly available yet.

> Jean-Yves

Wow. I'm completely impressed. Will the demo page be staying up for the
foreseeable future? I'd like to pass the link along to some friends, but
it'd be frustrating for them if it disappeared. Cool stuff!

The fact that you designed this to run on the 50g is really exciting. This
is truly the first calculator app I'd pay for if it works as well as you
say it does. (and, judging by the demo page, it looks like it does)

So, count me as one of the first in line to download/buy whenever it comes
out!

Greg M.


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16.  JYA  
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 More options 3 Nov 2007, 15:47
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From: JYA <nos...@nospam.blah>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 02:47:30 +1100
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter
Hi

On 2007-11-04 02:17:43 +1100, "Greg M." <grego...@insightbb.com> said:

> Wow. I'm completely impressed. Will the demo page be staying up for the
> foreseeable future? I'd like to pass the link along to some friends, but
> it'd be frustrating for them if it disappeared. Cool stuff!

yes, we have no plan to remove the online version in the short term future...
we will probabl add features such as tracing (which the library can do already)

> The fact that you designed this to run on the 50g is really exciting. This
> is truly the first calculator app I'd pay for if it works as well as you
> say it does. (and, judging by the demo page, it looks like it does)

it wasn't designed to run on the hp50 per say, but on any embedded
platform with restricted CPU power and memory.
Traditional algorithm made in unpractical until now.

We hope to bring such plotting capabilities to any calculators as such
it will require a lots of talks with the concerned parties.
The ability to identify undefined area and discontinuities is I believe
a major feature and would make a huge difference to students. it would
likely require a curriculum change however as edge can do in seconds
what used to take a lot of time. teachers may not like it as
identifying where the function is undefined is often the major theme of
an exercise.

Jean-Yves

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17.  Veli-Pekka Nousiainen  
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 More options 31 Aug 2008, 19:11
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From: "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:11:52 +0300
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter
Almost a year...
Any progress, yet?
Just don't say you're on the EDGE now...

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18.  Khanh-Dang  
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From: Khanh-Dang <khanh-d...@w.fr.invalid>
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:28:12 +0100
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter
Hi,

Le 02 novembre 2007, JYA a écrit :

> I demonstrated our math library at the last HPCC.
> It allows to plot any kind of graphs (including inequalities)

> http://www.hydrix.com/knowledge/index.php?id=89

Wow! This is the killer app for hp50g! Well, the name, EDGE, was meant
to be the name of a killer app, wasn't it? :-)

For a few days, I have been writing a SysRPL program to do range
analysis. I need it to evaluate the precision of experimental data.  For
example, as explained in EDGE's whitepaper, say you measure 1±0.1 meters
and 2±0.1 meters, i.e. you know the two lengths are in the ranges [0.9
1.1] and [1.9 2.1] (in meters).  Then, the sum of them is 3±0.2 meters.
Simple when it's just an addition, but much more difficult if there is a
lot of algebraic manipulation e.g. with trigonometric functions. I never
thought to use range analysis to speed up graphing.

Once again, EDGE seems to give very impressive results. I wish I had a
hp50g to give it a try. Congratulations!


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19.  Wes  
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 More options 3 Nov 2007, 17:59
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From: Wes <wjltemp...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:59:37 -0700
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter
On Nov 3, 11:28 am, Khanh-Dang <khanh-d...@w.fr.invalid> wrote:

> say you measure 1±0.1 meters
> and 2±0.1 meters, i.e. you know the two lengths are in the ranges [0.9
> 1.1] and [1.9 2.1] (in meters).  Then, the sum of them is 3±0.2 meters.

I'm not sure if this applies to your experimental data, but usually
when doing calculations with data, the uncertainties don't just add.
For instance, in your example (1 +- 0.1) + (2 +- 0.1) = (3 +- 0.14).
In general, (A+-a)+(B+-b) = (A+B +- sqrt(a^2+b^2)).

See:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagation_of_uncertainty#Example_formulas
for more examples.

On my 50g, I have routines for doing common operations (+-*/^) with
uncertainties, so that doing calculations with uncertainties is
essentially no more difficult than doing regular calculations (thanks
to RPN)

   {1.  0.1} {2. 0.1} ?ADD

instead of

   1. 2. +

If the uncertainty in your data has a uniform distribution instead of
the more typical normal distribution, then your result of (3 +- 0.2)
is correct.

-wes


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20.  Harold A Climer  
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Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:14 -0500
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Subject: Re: EDGE: new kind of plotter

 If the absolute errors are much smaller than the measurements, in
addition or subtraction they add.
It is only when the absolute errors are of comparable  magnitude to
the measurements, that the square of the errors need to be used.
In multiplication and division, it is  the relative errors are added.
Harold A. Climer
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University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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