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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: "Ams" <a...@globalcafe.ie>
Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:00:28 -0700
Local: Mon 19 Mar 2007 14:00
Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the fish.
On Mar 19, 9:25 am, "beamends" <s...@beamends-lrspares.co.uk> wrote:
> RISC OS - so long and thanks for all the fish. <snip> > ---------------------------------------------- I am sorry to see you go Richard. > Well, part of the reason is the clue above. Two forks That actually, with respect, is not really the problem (look at how > of the OS for a minority platform? many variants of Linux there are and they seem to work, also the bulk of RISC OS users are *still* using 3.7 or earlier, then you have 4.xx and 5.xx, within Select you'll have people who are up to date and some who have lapsed out at earlier stages). This is something that would have existed even if Castle had *never* released RO5. >It's difficult to I have a simple rule that I apply to *every* machine I've ever bought, > believe that such silliness could even start, never > mind carry on. The simmering "dispute" (for want of a > better word) between the two camps has been going on > for several years and was just a bit of a side-show > until I bought an A9Home for the business. Ok, so I > was aware the OS was "a bit beta" - never buy the earliest ones - wait a year. I did that with Iyonix and on PCs. Me a guinea pig - no thank you. >but I wasn't expecting Beta means that - it's capable of release to a limited set of users > it to be unable to rememebr half of it's configuration > settings, or be lacking pre-installed printer drivers, > or crashing losing data to often for comfort. Though > those points are irritating in the extreme, well, never > mind, they can be over-come - the real killers are these > two issues. > In the eight months or so that I've had the A9, and > despite all the known bugs and problems there have been > precisely NO updates at all. before main release. RO4.XX as on A9 was a work in progress - it's a bit unfair (no matter how miffed you feel) to assume any particular level of completion. Beta meant it wasn't complete some things will and somethings wont work. As to the delay in updates that is a matter for ROL and Ad6 - its not in their interests to delay on this (so I'd expect things to progress overtime - albeit perhaps not rapidly enough to keep you onboard). >That may not matter to your Thing is I would *not* buy a machine that I knew was incomplete, so > average hobbyist but it is a disaster for someone wanting > to use the machine "for real". why did you ? There were alternatives either (i). Upgrading an existing RPC to use > The other issue, not un-realted, came about when I bought But thing is the problem *might* be related, The compiler has to > the C/C++ complier, for use on the A9 and the Risc PC to > 32-bit the apps I have written that use !Prophet to help > run the business, to release them, and to develop them > further. I happily installed it and..... it didn't work. *work* on the OS you use. The OS is the foundation upon which all things run. If the OS isn't working (in your opinion) then there is little reason to assume *any* particular application (or compiler) would run properly on it either. <snip> > The galling thing about this was really the fact that when Thing is if you mentioned you couldn't get Microsoft Visual C# to run > I mentioned that I intended to run the compiler on the A9, > the chap at Iyonix though it was amusing - clearly not > a problem. I wish I could treat my customers like that! on an Apple Macintosh would you expect MS to fix it? The guy hasn't developed the variant of RISC OS on the A9 he *can't* > This was, of course, on top of the petty bickering and With respect you knew A9 was beta and you still bought it. That's not > short sightedness of thosewho have appointed themselves > as the Keepers Of The Knowledge. Ad6's fault, or ROL's fault. You had alternatives you ignored them. That's your choice - but ultimately it has consequences such as the ones you listed. Yes maybe some of the issues could have been highlighted - perhaps some were but you perhaps ascribed them to people with axes to grind - but ultimately you made YOUR choice and now face the result. If you really wanted to fix the issue i'd have (i) Not complained <snip> > demonstrably. Is the ROS user base increasing or decreasing? For the love of Pete, some of those formats are *closed* you can > OK, so FireFox is wonderful (though NetSurf is far sllicker), > but whether the Keepers like it or not, the vast majority of > users consider Flash, video, etc to be part of the browser - > donning teflon shoulder pads and saying "not my problem" is > simply burying you head in the sand. either not get them or if you attempt to use them you can get sued. If you're prepared to pay for the development and license fees yes it's doable - but if we can't we can't. You won't find HD on Linux either (and if it appears it'll take some time, just like what happened with DVD). >Trumpeting FireFox, And firefox is what - a BROWSER - it displays WEBPAGES (like this > omittingto mentiom the lack of video etc will have a negative one). It's the plug in's that do the work. They're either proprietary or rely on GPL code which can't simply be incorporated into the core RISC OS. > Can it actually do Again how will *your* departure help, really. What's more if going why > anything that NetSurf or Fresco can't? In effect no, apart > from getting the layout nicer sometimes. Is that going to impress > someone used to another platform? Like hell. They'll try to go > to YouTube or whateve and just return to wherever they came > from. So that's the "home" market scuppered. make such a racket. Go quietly the rest of us are trying to keep the thing going. The sad reality is ultimately if you want content you'll have one choice - Microsoft. And that's because the Media/Content providers know MS will try to keep their content *safe*. Linux they're wary off and Apple don't really have a larege enough market presence. <snip> > The real danger to ROS from not having these things is not You bought a machine whose OS was not complete and expect compilers > their abscence per se though. As mentioned above, the compiler > and A9 debacles pushed me into actually installing Linux. and everything to work fine on it. Is that realistic? As to Linux, it's a fine OS and I wish you well with it. > So will I miss ROS? > What I won't miss is being told my future by the Keepers, who Not always > do a very good impression of completely failing to uderstand > the difference between those who use a computer to do various > tasks because the *have* to, and those who do so because they > either want to or just see it as a hobby. Fiddling while > Rome burns and all that.... > The reposses will an amalgum of: > "Developers know best....." > "You don't understand....." Yes, you don't. > which all just ignore three simple facts - you've lost We lost you because either (i) you had unrealistic expectations or > *another* user and failed to ask yourselves why, you've also > lost your most visible user to the outside world, and I > *do* understand (you might not like it, but it's true), that's > why I've been forced to move. (ii) were misinformed (or a combination of the two). It's still no less a pity <snip> > Richard Regards and best of luck. Annraoi You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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