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Chris de Cordova  
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 More options 15 Jan 2006, 18:37
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Chris de Cordova <decord...@ukgateway.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:37:06 +0100
Local: Sun 15 Jan 2006 18:37
Subject: How to curtail top posting !!
Here's another way of doing it!! (from uk.education.schools-it)

.....................................................................

In article <1137094757.839495.327...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
   Darren <dagz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe Butler wrote:
> > What a total waste of time that clip is.

 Hello. Hope you are well. I don't normally reply to people who top
 post but I'll assume you are new to computers and make an exception
 this once. If you would like a link to the newsgroup charter then
 let me know and I'll dig it out for you (or you could get a friend
 to show you how to do it)

> > It tells you nothing about moodle - why is moodle like some
> > secret club, where you cannot find out what it does without
> > knowing the secret handshake?.

 There is a search engine that a lot of us more experienced users use
 called google. There are others available but google is the
 most popular. If you wish to find something out about moodle in
 google then load your web browser (I'm guessing it's Internet
 Explorer) and go to http://www.google.co.uk and type moodle into
 the empty box in the centre of your screen. If you would more help
 on accessing webpages or searching for more information then give
 me a nod. I have some resources I have been using with my year 7s
 which you could work through.

[Snip rest of similar]
......................................................................

Made me laugh anyway, having just read the 'Want to read an old disc'
thread in here, which was more about how to stop top-posting than
about reading old discs!!!

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John M Ward  
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 More options 15 Jan 2006, 19:09
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: John M Ward <j...@acornusers.org>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:09:02 GMT
Local: Sun 15 Jan 2006 19:09
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
In article <4de9bc2221decord...@ukgateway.net>,
   Chris de Cordova <decord...@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> Here's another way of doing it!! (from uk.education.schools-it)

Yes...

Kept for future use, as and when it becomes necessary.

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John Cartmell  
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 More options 16 Jan 2006, 00:20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: John Cartmell <j...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:20:15 +0000 (GMT)
Local: Mon 16 Jan 2006 00:20
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
In article <4de9bea196j...@acornusers.org>,
   John M Ward <j...@acornusers.org> wrote:

> In article <4de9bc2221decord...@ukgateway.net>,
>    Chris de Cordova <decord...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > Here's another way of doing it!! (from uk.education.schools-it)
> Yes...
> Kept for future use, as and when it becomes necessary.

It was used against someone who did know better! ;-)

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John Williams (News)  
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 More options 16 Jan 2006, 13:40
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: "John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:40:52 GMT
Local: Mon 16 Jan 2006 13:40
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
In article <1137417753.799698.232...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
   Dave Braine <d...@pilot.pprune.com> wrote:

> Could someone explain top-posting to me please,

 Top-posting is when someone replies at the top of a message/posting,
reproducing the (often entire) message they are replying to (and sometimes
all the previous messages) underneath.

It is due to thoughtless acceptance of where some software places the
cursor/caret and ignorance. Ignorance of the following points:

> and what is wrong with it.

        1. It is wasteful of bandwidth, in that (often) far more of the
previous message(s) is reproduced than is necessary, wasting 'bandwidth'.
('bandwidth' often equates to 'money' for those on dial-up).

        2. It is less clear exactly which bit of the message is being
replied to - one has to search below to find the context of the message for
each point.

        3. It is nowhere near as clear as properly snipped interleaved
replying, which allows logical response to material point-by-point.

        4. It (here) contravenes the established practice and gets up
everyone's nose.

Having said that, it seems to be perfectly acceptable on some news groups
(I have heard), and there the advice of 'lurking' before posting to find
out the accepted method of posting is wise counsel.

That doesn't make it 'right', though.

John

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John Cartmell  
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 More options 16 Jan 2006, 14:58
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: John Cartmell <j...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:58:29 +0000 (GMT)
Local: Mon 16 Jan 2006 14:58
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
In article <1137417753.799698.232...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
   Dave Braine <d...@pilot.pprune.com> wrote:

> Chris de Cordova wrote:

> > Made me laugh anyway, having just read the 'Want to read an old disc'
> > thread in here, which was more about how to stop top-posting than
> > about reading old discs!!!

> Could someone explain top-posting to me please, and what is wrong with
> it.

The news.newusers.questions FAQ http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html
How to post to uk news groups   http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html
Proper quoting style explained  http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html

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Dave Braine  
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 More options 16 Jan 2006, 17:58
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: "Dave Braine" <d...@pilot.pprune.com>
Date: 16 Jan 2006 09:58:50 -0800
Local: Mon 16 Jan 2006 17:58
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!

John Williams (News) wrote:
> In article <1137417753.799698.232...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>    Dave Braine <d...@pilot.pprune.com> wrote:

> > Could someone explain top-posting to me please,

Thanks for that John. Immediately after I posted, I looked at the "Want
to read old discs" thread where it explained it. Which is why I deleted
my post from here.

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Chris de Cordova  
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 More options 16 Jan 2006, 22:09
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Chris de Cordova <decord...@ukgateway.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:09:33 +0100
Local: Mon 16 Jan 2006 22:09
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
In article <1137434330.280799.258...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
   Dave Braine <d...@pilot.pprune.com> wrote:

>  Which is why I deleted my post from here.

deleted?

How do you do that, then?

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Kevin Melling  
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 More options 16 Jan 2006, 22:46
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Kevin Melling <kmell...@aaug.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:46:19 GMT
Local: Mon 16 Jan 2006 22:46
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
this.

In message <1137417753.799698.232...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
          "Dave Braine" <d...@pilot.pprune.com> wrote:

> Chris de Cordova wrote:

>> Made me laugh anyway, having just read the 'Want to read an old disc'
>> thread in here, which was more about how to stop top-posting than
>> about reading old discs!!!

> Could someone explain top-posting to me please, and what is wrong with
> it.

> Thanks

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Jon Ripley  
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 More options 17 Jan 2006, 00:50
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Jon Ripley <n...@jonripley.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:50:32 GMT
Local: Tues 17 Jan 2006 00:50
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!

John Williams (News) wrote:
>         4. It (here) contravenes the established practice and gets up
> everyone's nose.

5. Message the of flow the follow *impossible* is it responses inline
and bottom, top of mixture a use thread a on respondents where.

6. Whilst posting without quoting any context (aka misuse of Google
Groups) is common it must be remembered that top posting encourages
quoting of the complete context of *EVERY* message in reverse order -
without the respondent displaying any brain power. It is far too common
to see two words of new content top posted over several kilobytes of
unedited previous context.

6a. How many people scroll up and down in a message and *DO NOT* notice
your response because the first line is:

Me too!XXX wrote in message...

7. If you want people to respond to your post it is unreasonable to
expect them to spend an inordinate amount of time rearranging your
response in query your answer to order.

8. Top posting, common on M$ Usenet groups, is not the expected practice
due to the way that people want to respond to messages but rather due to
a specific fault in popular M$ Usenet packages which by default place
the input focus above the message being responded to.

9. Bored now...

> Having said that, it seems to be perfectly acceptable on some news groups
> (I have heard), and there the advice of 'lurking' before posting to find
> out the accepted method of posting is wise counsel.

Accepted or not there is a discontinuity that is introduced through top
posting that personally I find unacceptable.

Anyways,
Jon Ripley
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Chris Hughes  
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 More options 17 Jan 2006, 08:37
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:37:30 GMT
Local: Tues 17 Jan 2006 08:37
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!
In message <sbXyf.15933$lL4.3...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
          Jon Ripley <n...@jonripley.com> wrote:

You were doing quite well until you got to this point. It applies to
*all* usenet packages on all platforms including RISC OS ! Its not a
fault, it the way they all work since we have not yet got AI usenet
packages!!

> 9. Bored now...

>> Having said that, it seems to be perfectly acceptable on some news groups
>> (I have heard), and there the advice of 'lurking' before posting to find
>> out the accepted method of posting is wise counsel.

> Accepted or not there is a discontinuity that is introduced through top
> posting that personally I find unacceptable.

You might but others don't - personal opinion. If other usenet groups
top post, then you follow that groups convention in that group and
inline groups you follow that convention. Its called using common
sense. You may not personally like it, but if that is the way the that
group is working so be it.

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Peter Prewett  
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 More options 17 Jan 2006, 22:02
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Peter Prewett <nos...@chariot.net.au>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:02:28 +1100
Local: Tues 17 Jan 2006 22:02
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!

It helps a lot by net nannies sending out ARROGANT emails to those who
top post accidently and or had not bothered to actually read the
email.

That just gets peoples backs up.

Peter

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 More options 17 Jan 2006, 22:40
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From: Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:40:48 +0000
Local: Tues 17 Jan 2006 22:40
Subject: Re: How to curtail top posting !!