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Glenn Richards  
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 More options 9 Oct, 08:41
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc
From: Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:41:48 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 08:41
Subject: Preservation and CF cards
Haven't used my RPC for a while, however I'm about to set it up again as
a music workstation (4 slice, DMI-50XG-S card).

What's worrying me is this. The hard drives in it (2x Fujitsu 1.2GB, 1x
Seagate 2GB SCSI) are ancient and are probably on borrowed time. And
small hard drives (hence a reasonable LFAU) are impossible to come by new.

So my thoughts were something like this:

http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10308

Couple of 1 or 2GB CF cards to replace the ageing IDE drives and all's
well. A straight copy of all data from the IDE disk to the CF card
(after formatting to Filecore format of course), OPT4,2 on the primary
card and one diskless machine.

Can't see any reason why this wouldn't work. Similarly it may be worth
putting one of these with a pair of 512MB cards into my old A5000.

Then if that works how about this:

http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11677

Install into A3020, I have a large quantity of 64MB CF cards.

Can anyone forsee any problems with this?

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Glenn Richards  
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 More options 9 Oct, 08:43
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From: Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:43:37 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 08:43
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

Glenn Richards wrote:
> Haven't used my RPC for a while, however I'm about to set it up again as
> a music workstation (4 slice, DMI-50XG-S card).

Just to add - using RO3.7 still, although I do have a Simtec NET-100
module which I believe has the RO4 Filecore modules flashed into it
(don't ask!)

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John Williams (News)  
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 More options 9 Oct, 08:53
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From: "John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:53:57 +0200
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 08:53
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards
In article <PrOdnS16SMa8K3DV4p2d...@eclipse.net.uk>, Glenn Richards

<gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk> wrote:
> > Haven't used my RPC for a while, however I'm about to set it up again
> > as a music workstation (4 slice, DMI-50XG-S card).

Nothing to add - but could you write it up afterwards for others to follow
and repost.

John

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David Holden  
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 More options 9 Oct, 08:57
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From: "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:57:17 GMT
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 08:57
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

On  9-Oct-2008, Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk> wrote:

> So my thoughts were something like this:

> http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10308

> Couple of 1 or 2GB CF cards to replace the ageing IDE drives and all's
> well. A straight copy of all data from the IDE disk to the CF card
> (after formatting to Filecore format of course), OPT4,2 on the primary
> card and one diskless machine.

> Can't see any reason why this wouldn't work. Similarly it may be worth
> putting one of these with a pair of 512MB cards into my old A5000.

Or you could just take a look at <http://www.apdl/ifaces.htm#sstate>.

We can supply the double CF cards at little or no extra cost if required,
though I can't think why you'd want the aggravation of multiple drives. Why
not just use a single 4GB card? In fact, we could probably supply an adaptor
with a 4GB CF card, ready formatted, for just a few pounds more than the
people you quote want for the adaptor alone!

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Rob Kendrick  
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 More options 9 Oct, 09:33
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From: Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:33:37 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 09:33
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:41:48 +0100

Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk> wrote:
> Can anyone forsee any problems with this?

Do not skimp on your CF card.  FileCore will rapidly burn a hole in a
cheap one.

(Alternatively, buy a larger hard drive, and format it to a smaller
capacity.)

B.


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David Holden  
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 More options 9 Oct, 09:35
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From: "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:35:33 GMT
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 09:35
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

On  9-Oct-2008, Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com> wrote:

> (Alternatively, buy a larger hard drive, and format it to a smaller
> capacity.)

Err, why?

RO3.7 supports up to 128GB just like later versions of RISC OS.

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Rob Kendrick  
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 More options 9 Oct, 09:44
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From: Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:44:12 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 09:44
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:35:33 GMT

"David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:

> On  9-Oct-2008, Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com> wrote:

> > (Alternatively, buy a larger hard drive, and format it to a smaller
> > capacity.)

> Err, why?

> RO3.7 supports up to 128GB just like later versions of RISC OS.

Because of what Glenn said;

>> And small hard drives (hence a reasonable LFAU) are impossible to
>> come by new.

B.

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David Holden  
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 More options 9 Oct, 09:57
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From: "David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:57:21 GMT
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 09:57
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

On  9-Oct-2008, Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com> wrote:

Admittedly a large LFAU wastes space with RO 3.7 but there's NO way it can
waste anything like as much space as formatting a 40GB drive to (say) 4GB.
The only reason for formatting to a smaller size is if losing a few GB drops
the size just bellow a LFAU 'boundry'.

If he's managed with a few GB then a 40GB drive will be fine, even if his
old data is all small files and takes up 3 times the space. He'll still have
about 30GB spare.

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Rob Kendrick  
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 More options 9 Oct, 10:03
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From: Rob Kendrick <n...@rjek.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:03:26 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 10:03
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:57:21 GMT

"David Holden" <Spam...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> And small hard drives (hence a reasonable LFAU) are impossible to
> > >> come by new.  

> Admittedly a large LFAU wastes space with RO 3.7 but there's NO way
> it can waste anything like as much space as formatting a 40GB drive
> to (say) 4GB. The only reason for formatting to a smaller size is if
> losing a few GB drops the size just bellow a LFAU 'boundry'.

I don't doubt it, but he may have other reasons for stipulating that.
(Performance for the type of files he has, might be one.)

B.


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Glenn Richards  
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 More options 9 Oct, 11:35
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From: Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:35:50 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 11:35
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

David Holden wrote:
> RO3.7 supports up to 128GB just like later versions of RISC OS.

RO3.1 doesn't though... and I want to get my old A5000 up and running
again with solid state disks. 2x512MB cards in a dual adaptor.

As for the RPC I don't need to worry about CD-ROMs etc, the CD drive is
hanging off SCSI (as is the CD writer).

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Glenn Richards  
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 More options 9 Oct, 11:41
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From: Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:41:01 +0100
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 11:41
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

Rob Kendrick wrote:
> I don't doubt it, but he may have other reasons for stipulating that.
> (Performance for the type of files he has, might be one.)

The main reason is that I want to attempt to preserve the machine as-is,
ie it currently has two IDE drives which I want to work in exactly the
same way only solid state. The SCSI drive wasn't really used so I can
probably lose this.

As mentioned if memory serves the NET-100 card has the RO4 Filecore
modules flashed into it allowing large drives to be used in F+ format,
in fact if I remember correctly the second IDE disk (drive 5) and SCSI
partitions are formatted to F+, drive 4 to F so it would be readable
without the NET-100 in place (in case the experiment failed). Would have
to power it up and have a look though!

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Theo Markettos  
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 More options 9 Oct, 12:57
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From: Theo Markettos <theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Date: 09 Oct 2008 12:57:20 +0100 (BST)
Local: Thurs 9 Oct 2008 12:57
Subject: Re: Preservation and CF cards

Glenn Richards <gl...@squirrelsolutions.co.uk> wrote:
> As mentioned if memory serves the NET-100 card has the RO4 Filecore
> modules flashed into it allowing large drives to be used in F+ format,
> in fact if I remember correctly the second IDE disk (drive 5) and SCSI
> partitions are