> In message <01d3e2b550.M...@blueyonder.co.uk> > Mark Wiggin <mark.wig...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > In message <03c397b450.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com> > > T M Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> Thanks Jim, > >> Sounds rather tedious since it is a longish document, but do-able > >> Still checking whether or not I have the original font disk.
> > Sorry to be a tedious old pedant, but why do so many people use > > 'do-able' these days, when 'possible' is perfectly satisfactory, > > and much more elegant?
> In my case just an expression I had picked up somewhere. > I will find an alternative in future.
There are more important things in life. Like restoring or replacing a lost font.
Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
In message <50b6a2a454ris...@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <76f9a0b650.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>, > T M Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> In message <01d3e2b550.M...@blueyonder.co.uk> >> Mark Wiggin <mark.wig...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In message <03c397b450.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com> >> > T M Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >> Thanks Jim, >> >> Sounds rather tedious since it is a longish document, but do-able >> >> Still checking whether or not I have the original font disk.
Right I have found time to look at search and replace. I managed to find a black of CenturyOld text and replaced it with the word Trinity. What did I do wrong?
Malcolm
> Michael Harding > Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
-- T M Smith Using an Iyonix and RISC OS 5.13 in the North Riding of Yorkshire
In article <3598a5b650.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>, T M Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
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> Right I have found time to look at search and replace. > I managed to find a black of CenturyOld text and replaced it with the > word Trinity. > What did I do wrong?
What happened when you tried?
Which method did you use?
If you Save as Text with With Styles ticked into !Edit then it is important to replace the name of the font exactly. For example, to replace the CenturyOld font you need to delete out all the name, which would be CenturyOld.xxxx, and replace it with Trinity.Medium.
In article <na.eca26650b6.a806e0tenn...@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Tennant Stuart <tenn...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote:
> > 'Doable' also has the ring of a recent neologism but > > Websters Dictionary attributes it to Thomas Carlyle > > which puts its coinage somewhere in the 19th century. > > What makes it worse in my eyes is that it looks to have > > transatlantic origins though, if Carlyle *had* been > > responsible, it couldn't have. > Some words deemed as 'transatlantic' are in fact the > traditional forms, safeguarded whilst it was we British > who made changes.
Yes, I know, but having that knowledge doesn't make it more acceptable (to me). I acknowledge that personal likes and dislikes are not necessarily a rational basis for deciding what might be right or wrong (whatever meaning those words might have in this context). What I was expressing was an opinion based on my own aesthetic sense.
-- John news...@blueyonder.co.uk j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk
> In article <3598a5b650.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>, > T M Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> [Snip]
>> Right I have found time to look at search and replace. >> I managed to find a black of CenturyOld text and replaced it with the >> word Trinity. >> What did I do wrong?
> What happened when you tried?
> Which method did you use?
> If you Save as Text with With Styles ticked into !Edit then it is important > to replace the name of the font exactly. For example, to replace the > CenturyOld font you need to delete out all the name, which would be > CenturyOld.xxxx, and replace it with Trinity.Medium.
> Cheers
> Alan
Sorry for the slow reply. I loaded the impression document then tried the Impression 'search and replace' Of course when it loaded it said the CenturyOld fonts had been substituted. The document can only be saved as an Impression document though if I look at the individual chapters there are draw files and a text file which will load into edit but I could not make much sense of it. Malcolm
-- T M Smith Using an Iyonix and RISC OS 5.13 in the North Riding of Yorkshire
> In message <50b72ae3e9alan_cal...@o2.co.uk> > Alan Calder <alan_cal...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <3598a5b650.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>, >> T M Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> [Snip]
>>> Right I have found time to look at search and replace. >>> I managed to find a black of CenturyOld text and replaced it with the >>> word Trinity. >>> What did I do wrong?
>> What happened when you tried?
>> Which method did you use?
>> If you Save as Text with With Styles ticked into !Edit then it is important >> to replace the name of the font exactly. For example, to replace the >> CenturyOld font you need to delete out all the name, which would be >> CenturyOld.xxxx, and replace it with Trinity.Medium.
>> Cheers
>> Alan
> Sorry for the slow reply. > I loaded the impression document then tried the Impression 'search and > replace' > Of course when it loaded it said the CenturyOld fonts had been > substituted. > The document can only be saved as an Impression document though if I > look at the individual chapters there are draw files and a text file > which will load into edit but I could not make much sense of it. > Malcolm
To add to where I am . I had not loaded the extensions. Now I have save as text and changed occurences of CenturyOld to Trinity.medium. But the file is 'untitled' and so I am rather worried about saving the file. It would seem that a file equates to a chapter, but I am not certain.
Malcolm
-- T M Smith Using an Iyonix and RISC OS 5.13 in the North Riding of Yorkshire
> > Sorry for the slow reply. I loaded the impression document then tried > > the Impression 'search and replace' Of course when it loaded it said > > the CenturyOld fonts had been substituted. The document can only be > > saved as an Impression document though if I look at the individual > > chapters there are draw files and a text file which will load into > > edit but I could not make much sense of it. Malcolm
From what you say above it sounds as though your documeny is using the original Impression multi-file method of saving rather than the later single file version. Doesn't make any difference in practical terms for what you need to do,
> To add to where I am . I had not loaded the extensions. Now I have save > as text and changed occurences of CenturyOld to Trinity.medium. But the > file is 'untitled' and so I am rather worried about saving the file. It > would seem that a file equates to a chapter, but I am not certain.
Essentially that is correct, though it can be more complicated. An Impression document can have lots of 'stories' within a single chapter - for example, you could have text that was flowed from page to page in a series of frames on each page, the frames being independent of any other text frames on the page.
However if your document is straightforward, just one big text frame on each page then there shouldn't be a problem. Just do the search and replace in !Edit and then drop the results back into a new Impression document. You will have to rebuild the whole document this way.
Alternatively, as long as you aren't working from the original and have made a copy, you could select all the text in the original and delete it then save the !Edit version back into the now empty Impression page - this way you will have all the drawfiles and the like roughly where they should be.
I'd be happy to have a go - always like this sort of thing! - if you weren't to email me a copy.
> In article <98f5b9b750.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>, T M Smith > <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> ... tried the Impression 'search and replace' Of course when it loaded >>> it said the CenturyOld fonts had been substituted. ...
Alan Calder wrote on 10 Nov:
> I'd be happy to have a go - always like this sort of thing! - if you > weren't to email me a copy.
how far did you lads get with this? is the problem solved?
the first thing i would have looked at is whether the CenturyOld font is called by Named Styles in the Impression document. that's by far the most straightforward place to change to an available font.
In article <c0ac43ba50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
<jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: > [Posted and mailed] > > In article <98f5b9b750.Broadband@thomas/smith57.ntlworld.com>, T M > > Smith <thomas.smit...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >>> ... tried the Impression 'search and replace' Of course when it > >>> loaded it said the CenturyOld fonts had been substituted. ... > Alan Calder wrote on 10 Nov: > > I'd be happy to have a go - always like this sort of thing! - if you > > weren't to email me a copy. > how far did you lads get with this? is the problem solved? > the first thing i would have looked at is whether the CenturyOld font > is called by Named Styles in the Impression document. that's by far > the most straightforward place to change to an available font.
Michael sent me some sample pieces of text. As you suggest, my first target was to see if the missing fonts were refernced in the document styles. They were and I replaced them with generic fonts. There were also some instances of the missing fonts being used as effects in the text and these were cleared by clearing the effects and, if necessary, replacing them. A bit of a tedious business this last as finding them took a bit of time. Exorting the text, with styles, to Edit was useful sometimes to find where they were.
For some reason the resulting saved document seemed to maintain a 'ghost' memory of the missing fonts when saved and re-opened. Got round this by exporting the document as text with styles and re-importing it into an enpty document.
The ability of Impression to import and override style definitions from another document came in handy once one document was sorted. All that had to be done then was to clear any effects and do the export/import business.
I hope Michael has been able to do this on the rest of his documents.
It was fun to do after some 6 years since the last time!
In message <50ba944d8calan_cal...@o2.co.uk> Alan Calder <alan_cal...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Michael sent me some sample pieces of text. As you suggest, my first > target was to see if the missing fonts were refernced in the document > styles. They were and I replaced them with generic fonts. There were also > some instances of the missing fonts being used as effects in the text and > these were cleared by clearing the effects and, if necessary, replacing > them. A bit of a tedious business this last as finding them took a bit of > time. Exorting the text, with styles, to Edit was useful sometimes to find > where they were.
It is a bit too late now, but you could have done even that in a couple of minutes. There is a hidden option in Impression to show effects on the style menu as well. Even if a specific effect is used many times in a document, it is stored as a single effect definition, which can even be edited. So, you can edit all instances of the effect "CenturyOld" by editing the effect definition, which makes all instances of the fonts in the document change!
That is possible because in Impression, effects are in fact hidden styles. Applying the "CenturyOld" font as an effect actually applies the hidden style "CenturyOld" that is created automatically when you apply that effect for the first time.
> For some reason the resulting saved document seemed to maintain a 'ghost' > memory of the missing fonts when saved and re-opened.
Yes. That happens exactly because of the above. The hidden styles remain in the document even after you remove the effects, so the document forever remembers that a certain font had been used.
This has been subject to a lot of criticism, which is exactly why that hidden option was published at some stage. I think it went like this: Load !Publisher.Resources.UK and locate the line starting "Cnf1:". Add "E" after the colon. Next time you load the application, you can see all effects on the dropdown style menu in the tool bar. To edit the effect, apply it (so it appears ticked). Open the style editor, which shows it as the current style. Then, edit it.
Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software http://www.mw-software.com/ ArtWorks 2 -- Designing stunning graphics has never been easier spamt...@mw-software.com [replace "spamtrap" by "info" to reply]
> ... I think it went like this: Load !Publisher.Resources.UK > and locate the line starting "Cnf1:". Add "E" after the colon. > Next time you load the application, you can see all effects on > the dropdown style menu in the tool bar. To edit the effect, > apply it (so it appears ticked). Open the style editor, which > shows it as the current style. Then, edit it.
That is correct. I now always use Impression with the effects shown as Martin describes, not least because it helps avoid defining an effect more than once and using an effect when it would be better to define a style. I keep both entries in the file mentioned by Martin, and 'REM out' the unwanted one with a leading colon.
In article <e4a9d8ba50.mar...@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner <spamt...@mw-software.com> wrote:
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Lots of useful info about revealing Effects in Impression documents.
Thanks for that, Martin! I can vaguely recall this from the distant past. I'll set my copy up with the amendments immediately - as you say, would save a lot of work.
> ... There is a hidden option in Impression to show > effects on the style menu as well. Even if a specific effect is used > many times in a document, it is stored as a single effect definition, > which can even be edited. ... > Load !Publisher.Resources.UK and locate the line starting "Cnf1:". Add > "E" after the colon. ...
well, well, well. i've been using Impression day in day out since 1991 and i never knew that trick. thanks, Martin: another MW marvel&wonder hint&tip for Archive.
it would be so übermarvellous&wonderful if you were to take over Impression as you have CC's Artworks. even just adding a very few little extra features would win immediate sales, for sure. count me in if it had just these two things, to bypass current workarounds: (1) accept JPeg and PNG, (2) print in duplex order.
In article <9e7d2cbc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel <jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
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> well, well, well. i've been using Impression day in day out since > 1991 and i never knew that trick. thanks, Martin: another MW > marvel&wonder hint&tip for Archive. > it would be so übermarvellous&wonderful if you were to take over > Impression as you have CC's Artworks.
In message <9e7d2cbc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel <jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> [Posted and mailed] > Martin Wuerthner wrote on 16 Nov in c.s.a.misc: >> ... There is a hidden option in Impression to show >> effects on the style menu as well. Even if a specific effect is used >> many times in a document, it is stored as a single effect definition, >> which can even be edited. ... >> Load !Publisher.Resources.UK and locate the line starting "Cnf1:". Add >> "E" after the colon. ... > well, well, well. i've been using Impression day in day out since > 1991 and i never knew that trick. thanks, Martin: another MW > marvel&wonder hint&tip for Archive.
It was not exactly me who came up with that trick. It was discussed in the newsgroups many years ago, first in 1993. I would be very surprised if it was never published in Archive.
Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software http://www.mw-software.com/ ArtWorks 2 -- Designing stunning graphics has never been easier spamt...@mw-software.com [replace "spamtrap" by "info" to reply]
In article <9e7d2cbc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
<URL:mailto:jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: > [Posted and mailed]
> Martin Wuerthner wrote on 16 Nov in c.s.a.misc: > > ... There is a hidden option in Impression to show > > effects on the style menu as well. Even if a specific effect is used > > many times in a document, it is stored as a single effect definition, > > which can even be edited. ... > > Load !Publisher.Resources.UK and locate the line starting "Cnf1:". Add > > "E" after the colon. ...
Before loading Impression I changed
Cnf1: to Cnf1:E
Loaded a document with various 'effects' applied nothing seemed to appear so I quit Impression, removed the E and reloaded, still the same standard looking entries in Menu->Style
Using Publisher Plus 5.13, what am I doing wrong?
Chris Evans
-- CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists' Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679 ch...@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!
In article <4f2f34bc50.mar...@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamt...@mw-software.com> wrote: > It was not exactly me who came up with that trick. It was > discussed in the newsgroups many years ago, first in > 1993. I would be very surprised if it was never > published in Archive.
Earliest mention is in Volume 4, Issue 6, page 10. It's also appeared in Volumes, 5, 8, 11 and 19.
I'd forgotten all about it, having re-installed Impression several times on newer set-ups. It's now back in action. Thanks for reminding me, Martin.
John
-- John news...@blueyonder.co.uk j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk
> It was not exactly me who came up with that trick. It was discussed in > the newsgroups many years ago, first in 1993. I would be very > surprised if it was never published in Archive.
indeed Paul Beverley chode me yesterday upon seeing my surprise: Oh, come on, Jim! Don't you read Archive? It's been in Archive seven times! :-)
his attached list: 4:6 hints and tips (1991 March, earlier than MW mentions) 5:6 DTP column 8:3 hints and tips 9:1 hints and tips 11:5 hints and tips then an eight-yearg gap till 19:5 hints and tips 19:12 learners' column i guess another repeat in volume 22 won't hurt.
hmm, i note that Martin did not rise to the bait, duly seconded, about the úbermarvelwonder of taking on Impression.
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>>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=]
> Cnf1:E > Loaded a document with various 'effects' applied nothing seemed to appear so > I quit Impression, removed the E and reloaded, still the same standard > looking entries in Menu->Style > Using Publisher Plus 5.13, what am I doing wrong?
works for me, also using 5.13. entries such as "Effect25" and "Centre" now appear in the Styles menu, alongside the familiar styles such as Heading and Indent.
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>>> nabsolute no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=]
In message <f755b3bc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel <jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> hmm, i note that Martin did not rise to the bait, duly seconded, about > the úbermarvelwonder of taking on Impression.
I am not aware of Impression being on offer for being taken on...
Yet even if it was, there is no way I could take it on. I have too many projects on my hands already.
Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software http://www.mw-software.com/ ArtWorks 2 -- Designing stunning graphics has never been easier spamt...@mw-software.com [replace "spamtrap" by "info" to reply]
In article <mpro.ktdo5601jvyk0020u.n...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
<n...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote: > On 19 Nov, Jim Nagel wrote in message > <f755b3bc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk>: > > hmm, i note that Martin did not rise to the bait, duly seconded, about > > the úbermarvelwonder of taking on Impression. > You don't think that the current developer of the 32-bit version of > Impression might have some objections?
Given that XAT's website hasn't shown any sign of progress 8 May 2006 then the description 'developer' seems a bit strong!
Or do you have inside knowledge of wht is going on (or not)?
On 19 Nov, Alan Calder wrote in message <50bcde3086alan_cal...@o2.co.uk>:
> In article <mpro.ktdo5601jvyk0020u.n...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt > <n...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote: > > On 19 Nov, Jim Nagel wrote in message > > <f755b3bc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk>:
> > > hmm, i note that Martin did not rise to the bait, duly seconded, about > > > the úbermarvelwonder of taking on Impression.
> > You don't think that the current developer of the 32-bit version of > > Impression might have some objections?
> Given that XAT's website hasn't shown any sign of progress 8 May 2006 then > the description 'developer' seems a bit strong!
A smiley might have helped, I suppose.
> Or do you have inside knowledge of wht is going on (or not)?
None at all; I stopped using Impression when the Iyonix came out, and haven't looked back (O-Pro has always seemed vastly superior for what I do).
However, I would imagine that even were Martin to want to take it on (and he's been quite clear that he does not), he would need to get through the red tape of the fact that someone else owns it and may not wish to give it up. A lot of software dies like that.
In message <mpro.ktdo5601jvyk0020u.n...@stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt <n...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 19 Nov, Jim Nagel wrote in message > <f755b3bc50....@nails.ukonline.co.uk>:
>> hmm, i note that Martin did not rise to the bait, duly seconded, about the >> úbermarvelwonder of taking on Impression.
> You don't think that the current developer of the 32-bit version of > Impression might have some objections?
Cough! Your dictionary obviously has the word "developer" defined differently to to mine! Someone who has sat on the software for ? years and has put the Impression and RiscOS part of his site in archive mode can hardly be called a developer by any stretch of the imagination!
Martin.
-- Martin Wynn, Newport, Shropshire. A. HTML. Q. What are the two most annoying things about emails?
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