In message <1173435460.543315.102...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> "Aaron" <atimbr...@aol.com> wrote: [snip]
> I obviously can't comment on stuff being developed by others > but I can comment on VRPC for Mac.
> It has been delayed for a number of reasons. The main one being > time. Both Graeme and I have been busy on other projects. Further > delays have been caused because I haven't been very well.
> The current test version is far more advanced than anything that's > been seen in public. However I am not going to announce a > release date until we are happy with it and it's gone through the > QA test cycle. Currently there are still some things that need > to be fixed/implimented.
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> We want to release the product. We've spent a lot of time and > money on it ans when it's completed to our satisfaction it > will be released.
This is great news, but given the delays, perhaps you could do what A9 did and sell a pre release version at a discount, which can be upgraded by paying the difference after proper release.
In message <b8b9c9c04e.Jer...@pressxpress.co.uk> Jeremy Brayshaw <jer...@brayshaw.org.uk> wrote:
> Well, if RO is lacking in important areas, and no developer can > justify correcting that, it would be silly to continue to do without > those facilities when they do exist on other systems. Nose, spite and > face come to mind! If people switch to Mac, then they're lost to RO. > But if VA on Mac appears sooner rather than later, those 'deserters' > may just stick with RO, at least in part. If it appears 'later', I > suspect those same people will have found other ways to achieve what > they want on MacOS and won't go back to RO.
Spot on.
Currently I see the ideal (as in with what *is* available) as a Mac and RISC OS system networked side by side.
I have an old G3 (with panther) and an Iyonix.
A friend has a new G5 and a Risc PC. He has moved over to using thunderbird as his email client. I'm pretty sure VA for Mac would have prevented this.
And in the situation of someone who can't have two computers or needs just a laptop the two obvious options currently are Windows with VA or a Mac. Given that most RISC OS users dislike the chore of Windows (all those who don't, got their coats years ago), it would make the Mac the obvious choice.
> The current system looks superb, (And that *is* important, if I'm doing a > task that doesn't benefit from RISC OS' user interface, then I'd prefer > the aesthetics of a Mac while I work) and is very stable, certainly a good > foundation for a virtual machine.
There needs to be a balance between looking good and being 'in your face'. A good GUI (for working with) will not bring attention to itself. To do that it must both look good and be unobtrusive. If you're working you need to concentrate on the work, not the GUI. A poor GUI will attract your attention because it's bad - but no better is the one that attracts your attention with beautifully crafted art. A good GUI will not jump up in front of you and shout "hey look at me!" but rather will be unobtrusive and allow you to get on with your work.
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>> I was publicly pilloried for daring to suggest, two years ago, that >> Cineroma would never appear. It hasn't. Will the same be true of VA >> for MacOS? VA on Mac may be regularly publicly demonstrated, but so >> was Oregano3 and that never became available.
> With all due respect to those who do use a Mac here, you are in the > minority - perhaps too small a number to justify the continued development > cost of VA for the Mac.
> I suppose statistically, given the ratio of Mac users to PC users > generally, the sale of a Mac VA would be several orders of magnitude less > than that of the Windows version.
But Mac users traditionally are more than willing to try other operating systems, so are probably more likely to give it a go. -- Best Regards Eddie
> On Mar 9, 8:49?am, Jeremy Brayshaw <jer...@brayshaw.org.uk> wrote:
>> But so much RO software has been promised and never actually >> materialises - Oregano3, Cino, Cineroma, etc. It's understandable, but >> very frustrating. I'm wondering if VA for Mac is also in this category >> - we've had tantalising tasters of each of these, inc. VA, but the >> 'track record' suggests we'll never see any of them completed.
> I obviously can't comment on stuff being developed by others > but I can comment on VRPC for Mac.
> It has been delayed for a number of reasons. The main one being > time. Both Graeme and I have been busy on other projects. Further > delays have been caused because I haven't been very well.
> The current test version is far more advanced than anything that's > been seen in public. However I am not going to announce a > release date until we are happy with it and it's gone through the > QA test cycle. Currently there are still some things that need > to be fixed/implimented.
> In message <b8b9c9c04e.Jer...@pressxpress.co.uk> > Jeremy Brayshaw <jer...@brayshaw.org.uk> wrote: >> Well, if RO is lacking in important areas, and no developer can >> justify correcting that, it would be silly to continue to do without >> those facilities when they do exist on other systems. Nose, spite and >> face come to mind! If people switch to Mac, then they're lost to RO. >> But if VA on Mac appears sooner rather than later, those 'deserters' >> may just stick with RO, at least in part. If it appears 'later', I >> suspect those same people will have found other ways to achieve what >> they want on MacOS and won't go back to RO.
> Spot on.
> Currently I see the ideal (as in with what *is* available) as a Mac > and RISC OS system networked side by side.
> I have an old G3 (with panther) and an Iyonix.
> A friend has a new G5 and a Risc PC. He has moved over to using > thunderbird as his email client.
I'm surprised he didn't go for Gemini, which is very similar to Messenger and has the same original author, Mark Sawle.
> In message <4ec0903b47garyn...@locock.co.uk> > Gary Locock <garyn...@locock.co.uk> wrote:
>> But it /is/ hindsight, because prior to the most recent versions the Mac had >> a funny filesystem, and interworking with other computer systems (not only >> RISC OS) was a bit iffy by reputation, and it put people off.
> Prior to the current system the Mac wasn't actually very good. It had > most of the weaknesses that RISC OS has, but wasn't very fast and had > a poor user interface.
> The good things it shared with RISC OS have were UI consistency, a > simple structure (simpler than current RISC OS) and good filetyping. > (All but the first now seriously diminished with OS X).
> The current system looks superb, (And that *is* important, if I'm > doing a task that doesn't benefit from RISC OS' user interface, then > I'd prefer the aesthetics of a Mac while I work) and is very stable, > certainly a good foundation for a virtual machine.
I agree. Things like iPhoto and iDVD are very intuitive IMHO.
In message <db27e4c04e.ed...@eddie.brookhaven.plus.com> Eddie <ef...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>> A friend has a new G5 and a Risc PC. He has moved over to using >> thunderbird as his email client.
> I'm surprised he didn't go for Gemini, which is very similar to > Messenger and has the same original author, Mark Sawle.
Simple answer - Thunderbird is free.
I bought Gemini for my parents for their mac for christmas. It's quite good, but not a patch on Messenger pro, obviously a lot of why it is good is down to the RISC OS UI.
Gemini is better than thunderbird because of its netiquette checks, but otherwise for simple use I couldn't say it's a must.
