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From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathi...@hda.hydro.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:27:36 +0100
Local: Fri 25 Nov 2005 12:27
Subject: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
I decided to look into this interesting unit, both due the the low
price, and the fact that nearly all my other refclocks are Motorola Oncores. The gps18lvc is an OEM model of the Garmin 12-channel/WAAS receiver, At the other end of the (default) 3 m cable there's just a set of I got the gps in a couple of days from a local distributor here in Oslo, (Google... Yes, it seems like the gps itself is available for about $80!) I then cut the USB cable and identified the +5V power wires (also The only remaining task was to solder the signaling wires onto the rs232 pin signal colour and join the remaining red/black wires to the corresponding pair from After wrapping some electician's tape for insulation around the power Total time was less than 2 hours, including the trip to pick up the >>ntpq -c rv -p ntp1 assID=0 status=0464 leap_none, sync_uhf_clock, 6 events, event_peer/strat_chg, version="ntpd 4.2...@1.1431-o Fri Nov 11 11:38:18 UTC 2005 (2)"?, processor="i386", system="FreeBSD/6.0-RELEASE", leap=00, stratum=1, precision=-19, rootdelay=0.000, rootdispersion=0.298, peer=9366, refid=GPS, reftime=c7302007.2b87bce7 Thu, Nov 24 2005 12:18:31.170, poll=4, clock=0xc730200a.a6e567d2, state=4, offset=0.010, frequency=29.775, jitter=0.002, noise=0.002, stability=0.000, tai=0 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ================================================================ +ntp9.hda.hydro. .GPS. 1 u 2 16 377 0.625 0.023 0.006 -nontp1.hydroisp 136.15 2 u 34 64 377 1.523 0.560 0.287 +nontp2.hydroisp .GPS. 1 u 33 64 377 1.608 0.401 0.092 -nontp4.hydroisp 136.15 2 u 25 64 377 4.424 -0.212 0.975 -nontp5.hydroisp 163.34 2 u 20 64 377 4.446 0.292 1.751 -nontp8.hydroisp .GPS. 1 u 4 64 377 8.628 0.511 8.086 *GPS_NMEA(0) .GPS. 0 l 3 16 377 0.000 0.010 0.002 I'm currently gathering clockstats info on the unit, my current I used Garmin's SNSRCFG_280.exe program to setup the gps to work in NMEA Using a spare USB plug as the power supply is a particularly nice Terje You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "David J Taylor" <david-tay...@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk.invalid>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:57:59 GMT
Local: Fri 25 Nov 2005 14:57
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
Terje Mathisen wrote: This looks excellent, Terje. Now, if only there was a Windows driver! > I decided to look into this interesting unit, both due the the low > price, and the fact that nearly all my other refclocks are Motorola > Oncores. > The gps18lvc is an OEM model of the Garmin 12-channel/WAAS receiver, David You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Roman Mäder <newsXXF.10.rmae...@spamgourmet.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:17:07 +0100
Local: Fri 25 Nov 2005 15:17
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
it never occurred to me to use USB power, good idea. I used an old mobile
phone charger that happened to output the correct voltage. My unit is over 10m away from the computer room, so I made the connection with CAT5 network cable that terminates in a RJ-45 wall socket, from where a patch cable leads to an RJ45-DB25 adaptor. These adaptors come with 8 pins connected to the RJ-45 socket that can be inserted into any position in the DB25 plug, so it is easy to make nonstandard connections. I drilled a hole for the power leads and soldered them to the phone charger. Works fine for me. With temperatures stable, jitter can be as low as 0.001ms. Roman Maeder You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Eugen COCA" <ec...@eed.usv.ro>
Date: 28 Nov 2005 04:52:24 -0800
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 12:52
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
Any indication about connecting the PPS signal and setting up the ntpd
service to work with ? Thank you ! P.S. I think the 1 us jitter is true only if using the PPS signal. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Roman Mäder <newsXXF.10.rmae...@spamgourmet.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:17:19 +0100
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 13:17
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
Eugen COCA wrote: I did configure the PPS device in addition to the NMEA refclock, > Any indication about connecting the PPS signal and setting up the ntpd > service to work with ? > Thank you ! > P.S. I think the 1 us jitter is true only if using the PPS signal. but it does not give me any additional accuracy. this "ntpq -p" output is typical: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter configured as: server 127.127.20.0 mode 2 prefer I am not sure about the PPS kernel stuff. ntptime gives me ntp_gettime() returns code 0 (OK) is this really the "true" PPS, or is there more to it? Roman Maeder You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Eugen COCA" <ec...@eed.usv.ro>
Date: 28 Nov 2005 05:27:43 -0800
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 13:27
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
I was interested about how did you connect the PPS signal to the RS232
interface, say the wardware configuration. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Roman Mäder <newsXXF.10.rmae...@spamgourmet.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:22:44 +0100
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 14:22
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
Eugen COCA wrote: I simply connected the PPS wire (yellow) to the DCD (carrier detect) of the > I was interested about how did you connect the PPS signal to the RS232 > interface, say the wardware configuration. same serial port that receives the data from the Garmin. You have to create a link /dev/pps0 -> /dev/term/b, because the PPS refclock (#22) looks there for the PPS signal. the connections go like this: Garmin RJ45 DB25f-Adaptor Sun DB 25 Vin Red 7,5 ws/br,ws/bl gn,br (+5V) PPS yellow 2 or or 8 DCD (PPS) (color codes: the power lines are not connected to the DB25, but to an external power For setting up the Garmin, the DB25 is conntected via an adaptor to the DB9 Roman Maeder You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: John Pettitt <j...@cloudview.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:58:57 -0800
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 17:58
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
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Hash: RIPEMD160 The NMEA driver (20) has PPS code built in so you don't need the stand alone PPS driver (22) - that's why you don't see any difference. If you remove the link to pps0 from /dev and restart ntpd you'll see the non PPS results (not even close to the PPS numbers). John (also using a GPS18LVC) iD8DBQFDi0VhaVyA7PElsKkRA39BAKDWaUm7EMjK8qbuqWZnmVbJ+EI6SgCeOYaS You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathi...@hda.hydro.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:08:48 +0100
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 18:08
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
John Pettitt wrote: I don't think you need even the /dev/pps0 link/device: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > Roman Mäder wrote: > The NMEA driver (20) has PPS code built in so you don't need the stand The NMEA driver assumes that a PPS signal will be on the DCD pin (if ntp1# ls -la /dev/pps* ntp9 is located on the same LAN segment, while the other servers are Terje -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathi...@hda.hydro.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:12:23 +0100
Local: Mon 28 Nov 2005 14:12
Subject: Re: Garmin gps18: The best DIY gps refclock?
Eugen COCA wrote: As I wrote, the PPS signal is carried on the yellow wire, connected to > Any indication about connecting the PPS signal and setting up the ntpd > service to work with ? pin 1 of the 9-pin RS232 connector, which is the DCD signal. > Thank you ! > P.S. I think the 1 us jitter is true only if using the PPS signal. Terje You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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