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Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
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From: "Troy Kirkland" <k...@google.com>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:03 -0500
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"Linonut" <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
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>* Miguel de Icaza peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>>>
>>> 1) ... What proportion of Mono uses Microsoft's patented technology,
>>> including that which is is part of the ECMA specifications?
>>
>> Read our policy on patents (Microsoft or otherwise):
>>
>> http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing
>>
>> Which is not different than any other open source project.
>
> It sure as hell is different:
Okay, it's actually better than most OSS projects.
> Both the Mono runtime and the Mono C# Compiler are also available
> under a proprietary license for those who can not use the LGPL and
> the GPL in their code.
So it's licensed as open source (GPL/LGPL) and can also be licensed under a
proprietary license for *those who can not use the LGPL/GPL in their code.*
What exactly is so confusing? Perhaps you don't have enough real world
experience to know that many organizations to not allow the use of LGPL/GPL
code. This allows those companies access to the technology.
> For licensing details, contact mono-licens...@novell.com
> (mailto:mono-licens...@novell.com)
>
>>> 3) ... To what degree do you Trust Microsoft, either in terms of their
>>> promises; their motivations; or their commitment to a competing platform
>>> like Linux?
>>
>> This is a question that is suitable for Teen magazine or Cosmo.
>>
>>> 4) ... Do you foresee a point in the future where access to much of the
>>> Web might be impossible, or at least extraordinarily difficult, without
>>> the use of Silverlight, much like Microsoft tried to do with ActiveX and
>>> other proprietary; encumbered; and non-standard technology during the
>>> Netscape years?
>>
>> Another question suitable for Teen magazine.
>>
>> I have blogged extensively about this question, you might want to read
>> my blog on those subjects. There are two dimensions to this problem,
>> and I have addressed both: a) Microsoft providing a tool that
>> people actually want to use, with a feature range of things that
>> are genuinely useful while nobody else is;
>
> Isn't that statement rather, uh, arrogant?
How so?
>> (b) whether its good for Linux to be a second class citizen on the web
>> when you are unable to watch content.
>
> You need to rephrase it. The question is whether it is good to convert
> citizens into second-class citizens on the web by virtue of restricting
> their access to content to a format promulgated by a large, powerful,
> and dominant corporation, requiring the relatively expensive purchase of
> a proprietary (and unlicensed for production by any other vendor)
> operating system.
It was phrased just fine the first time... before you decided to twist it
around to something that was never said or implied.
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