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Re: Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web

Troy Kirkland <k...@google.com>

"Linonut" <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message

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>* Miguel de Icaza peremptorily fired off this memo:

>>> 1) ... What proportion of Mono uses Microsoft's patented technology,
>>> including that which is is part of the ECMA specifications?

>> Read our policy on patents (Microsoft or otherwise):

>> http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing

>> Which is not different than any other open source project.

> It sure as hell is different:

Okay, it's actually better than most OSS projects.

>   Both the Mono runtime and the Mono C# Compiler are also available
>   under a proprietary license for those who can not use the LGPL and
>   the GPL in their code.

So it's licensed as open source (GPL/LGPL) and can also be licensed under a
proprietary license for *those who can not use the LGPL/GPL in their code.*

What exactly is so confusing? Perhaps you don't have enough real world
experience to know that many organizations to not allow the use of LGPL/GPL
code. This allows those companies access to the technology.

>   For licensing details, contact mono-licens...@novell.com
>   (mailto:mono-licens...@novell.com)

>>> 3) ... To what degree do you Trust Microsoft, either in terms of their
>>> promises; their motivations; or their commitment to a competing platform
>>> like Linux?

>> This is a question that is suitable for Teen magazine or Cosmo.

>>> 4) ... Do you foresee a point in the future where access to much of the
>>> Web might be impossible, or at least extraordinarily difficult, without
>>> the use of Silverlight, much like Microsoft tried to do with ActiveX and
>>> other proprietary; encumbered; and non-standard technology during the
>>> Netscape years?

>> Another question suitable for Teen magazine.

>> I have blogged extensively about this question, you might want to read
>> my blog on those subjects.  There are two dimensions to this problem,
>> and I have addressed both: a) Microsoft providing a tool that
>> people actually want to use, with a feature range of things that
>> are genuinely useful while nobody else is;

> Isn't that statement rather, uh, arrogant?

How so?

>> (b) whether its good for Linux to be a second class citizen on the web
>> when you are unable to watch content.

> You need to rephrase it.  The question is whether it is good to convert
> citizens into second-class citizens on the web by virtue of restricting
> their access to content to a format promulgated by a large, powerful,
> and dominant corporation, requiring the relatively expensive purchase of
> a proprietary (and unlicensed for production by any other vendor)
> operating system.

It was phrased just fine the first time... before you decided to twist it
around to something that was never said or implied.

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