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Roy Schestowitz  
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 07:46
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From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:46:28 +0000
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 07:46
Subject: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
Microsoft and Adobe jockey on rich applications

,----[ Quote ]
| Scott Guthrie, a general manager in Microsoft's developer division, blogged
| ahead of Adobe's AIR and Flex news that Silverlight 2 would feature a
| cross-platform version of its .NET Framework and let developers program
| Silverlight content using any .NET language.  
`----

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/02/25/microsoft_adobe_ria_internet...

It's *not* cross-platform. They keep lying about it. They attack HTML, Flash,
LAMP, and Ajax. The US and EU regulators are already after them for
Silverlight abuses.

Related:

Microsoft's Silverlight Promises to Disrupt Linux Web Users

,----[ Quote ]
| Just as it seemed that Linux users (especially 64-bit users) would
| finally be able to enjoy streaming content with a minimum of
| hassle, Microsoft's new Silverlight software promises to throw a
| wrench in the works. Because of sites like Google Video and
| Youtube, Flash video has become a common means of streaming
| multimedia over the Internet.
`----

http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1418.html

Microsoft's 'Everywhere' excludes Linux

,----[ Quote ]
| This browser add-on enables rendering of WPF content, but
| "Everywhere" doesn't include Linux.
`----

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7794/53/

ECIS Accuses Microsoft of Plotting HTML Hijack

,----[ Quote ]
| An industry coalition that has represented competitors of Microsoft
| in European markets before the European Commission stepped up its
| public relations offensive this morning, this time accusing
| Microsoft of scheming to upset HTML's place in the fabric of
| the Internet with XAML, an XML-based layout lexicon for
| network applications.
`----

http://www.betanews.com/article/ECIS_Accuses_Microsoft_of_Plotting_HT...

Microsoft Shares the Love, but Not with Linux

,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft has put up an invitation to share the love, but not with Linux
| (just bear with me, it will make sense in the end). With Valentine's Day just
| a few weeks away, the teams over at Windows Live and Microsoft Silverlight
| have joined their forces to enable users to spread and share their love.    
`----

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Shares-the-Love-But-Not-with...

Ustream.tv negotiating $50 million sale to Microsoft

,----[ Quote ]
| Our tipster also mentions that Microsoft would use Ustream as a way to
| promote its Adobe Flash competitor, Silverlight.
`----

http://valleywag.com/354140/ustreamtv-negotiating-50-million-sale-to-...


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Discussion subject changed to "Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)" by Erik Funkenbusch
Erik Funkenbusch  
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 16:05
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From: Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:05:56 -0500
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 16:05
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:46:28 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> Microsoft and Adobe jockey on rich applications

> ,----[ Quote ]
>| Scott Guthrie, a general manager in Microsoft's developer division, blogged
>| ahead of Adobe's AIR and Flex news that Silverlight 2 would feature a
>| cross-platform version of its .NET Framework and let developers program
>| Silverlight content using any .NET language.  
> `----

> http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/02/25/microsoft_adobe_ria_internet...

> It's *not* cross-platform. They keep lying about it. They attack HTML, Flash,
> LAMP, and Ajax. The US and EU regulators are already after them for
> Silverlight abuses.

Roy, you are flat out lying on this.  Microsoft itself makes Silverlight
available on both the PC and Mac.  That makes it cross platform.  That
doesn't even include Moonlight.

Why do you lie like this?


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The Ghost In The Machine  
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 18:12
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From: The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:12:25 -0800
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 18:12
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
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on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:05:56 -0500
<616pr0bnwabh....@funkenbusch.com>:

Erik does have a point, though we do have a problem as
well.  Silverlight is available on at least two platforms,
the aforementioned MacOSX as well as Windows.  That it is not
available for Linux doesn't make it non-multiplatform,
though I for one am very annoyed at the lack of support
for what is an increasingly popular OS.  (Presumably, the
FreeBSD crowd will be annoyed as well, in their newsgroup.)

Besides, this is COLA anyway. ;-)

There is some good news:
http://www.mono-project.com/news/archive/2007/May-05.html
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9731410-7.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070507-mono-developers-to-brin...
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/05/04/linux-silverli...

And there's some bad news.  Gentoo does not recognize "moonlight"
as a package name.

Make of all this what one will.

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Roy Schestowitz  
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 19:04
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From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 19:04
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)
____/ The Ghost In The Machine on Tuesday 26 February 2008 18:12 : \____

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/02/25/microsoft_adobe_ria_internet...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070507-mono-developers-to-brin...

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/05/04/linux-silverli...

> And there's some bad news.  Gentoo does not recognize "moonlight"
> as a package name.

> Make of all this what one will.

My original post was fine. The Microsoft Agent just wants to warp things to
discredit. More explanation here, if the Agent is interested.
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/

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Discussion subject changed to "Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web" by Moshe Goldfarb
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 20:33
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From: Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.st...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:33:25 -0500
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 20:33
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web

Quantity.
Seeding Google.
Spamming his own websites, which he convienintly managed to do in his reply
to you.
etc...

The list is endless, but Linux advocacy isn't on the list.
That's for certain.

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Discussion subject changed to "Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)" by The Ghost In The Machine
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 21:10
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From: The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:10:08 -0800
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 21:10
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Roy Schestowitz
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 wrote
on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000
<7543748.PRXqIsF...@schestowitz.com>:

Hmm....well, it's still dual-platform, anyway.  Of course ideally it
would be open-sourced, compileable, and alterable as well, with some
variant of the GPL or LGPL. ;)

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Discussion subject changed to "Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web" by Erik Funkenbusch
Erik Funkenbusch  
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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 23:34
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From: Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:34:10 -0500
Local: Tues 26 Feb 2008 23:34
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> My original post was fine. The Microsoft Agent just wants to warp things to
> discredit. More explanation here, if the Agent is interested.
> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/

No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
re-defined the meaning.

Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
more than one platform".  You are the one trying to redefine it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=cross-platform

"cross-platform software, hardware
A term that describes a language, software application or hardware device
that works on more than one system platform (e.g. Unix, Microsoft Windows,
Macintosh). E.g. Netscape Navigator, Java."

http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Cross%20platform

"Cross-platform, or multi-platform, is a term which can refer to computer
programs, operating systems, computer languages, programming languages, or
other computer software and their implementations which can be made to work
on multiple computer platforms. For example, a cross-platform application
may run on Microsoft Windows on the x86 architecture, Linux on the x86
architecture and Mac OS X on either the PowerPC based Apple Macintosh or
the x86 based Apple Macintosh systems. A cross-platform application could
run on all common platforms, *OR SIMPLY MORE THAN ONE*"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-platform

" ´Cross-platform¡ and ´multi-platform¡ both refer to the idea that a given
piece of computer software is able to be run on more than one computer
platform."

So please, Roy, spare us the "redefinition" bullshit.  By all credible
sources (ie, not you) "cross platform" means "more than one", not "all" or
"if it doesn't run on Linux it's not cross platform".


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 More options 26 Feb 2008, 23:39
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:39:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web

And once again Roy Schestowitz attempts to debate and ends up gong down in
flames.

No wonder he prefers to crap flood.

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 More options 27 Feb 2008, 00:18
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:18:30 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb
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on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:39:12 -0500
<xnc4qjtp00am.cs5ynqyy2v7y$....@40tude.net>:

We have proven that Silverlight is multi-platform (for multi=2, anyway)
and that it is not open-source.  Half the battle, I guess.

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:37:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
* Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

>> My original post was fine. The Microsoft Agent just wants to warp things to
>> discredit. More explanation here, if the Agent is interested.
>> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/

> No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
> re-defined the meaning.

> Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
> more than one platform".

So Microsoft Office is cross-platform, then?

> You are the one trying to redefine it.

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generates addresses, 20-bits addresses, that only can address a megabyte of
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Erik Funkenbusch  
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:28:26 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web

Yes and no.  Office for Mac and Office for Windows are not really the same
programs running under a different OS.  Silverlight apps are.

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 More options 27 Feb 2008, 01:02
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:02:29 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Linonut
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on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:37:36 -0500
<7h2xj.80494$vt2.7...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>:

> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

>>> My original post was fine. The Microsoft Agent just wants to warp things to
>>> discredit. More explanation here, if the Agent is interested.
>>> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/

>> No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
>> re-defined the meaning.

>> Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
>> more than one platform".

> So Microsoft Office is cross-platform, then?

Microsoft Office is dual-platform; it runs on both Windows and MacOSX.
That's admittedly the best I can do, and of course it's closed-source.

>> You are the one trying to redefine it.

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 More options 27 Feb 2008, 01:58
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:58:29 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
In article <1fe4u8jh214jr....@funkenbusch.com>,
 Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:

> No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
> re-defined the meaning.

> Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
> more than one platform".  You are the one trying to redefine it.

Besides, it does run on Linux.  To get it down to just Windows and Mac,
Roy had to arbitrarily exclude Moonlight.

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 More options 27 Feb 2008, 01:34
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:34:11 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
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on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:28:26 -0500
<1aq9xvt8oz43k$....@funkenbusch.com>:

I for one would assume the higher-level code is nearly
identical; the differences would be in the Win32
implementation.  Of course without the source how would
we know? ;-)

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:48:44 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:58:29 -0800, Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <1fe4u8jh214jr....@funkenbusch.com>,
>  Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>> No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
>> re-defined the meaning.

>> Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
>> more than one platform".  You are the one trying to redefine it.

> Besides, it does run on Linux.  To get it down to just Windows and Mac,
> Roy had to arbitrarily exclude Moonlight.

Technically, Moonlight hasn't been released yet, so I'll grant that..

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:15:16 -0800
Local: Wed 27 Feb 2008 04:15
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
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on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:48:44 -0500
<16vlu64yf1z9r....@funkenbusch.com>:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:58:29 -0800, Tim Smith wrote:

>> In article <1fe4u8jh214jr....@funkenbusch.com>,
>>  Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>> No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
>>> re-defined the meaning.

>>> Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
>>> more than one platform".  You are the one trying to redefine it.

>> Besides, it does run on Linux.  To get it down to just Windows and Mac,
>> Roy had to arbitrarily exclude Moonlight.

> Technically, Moonlight hasn't been released yet, so I'll grant that..

We'll see come June or thereabouts.

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Discussion subject changed to "Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)" by Roy Schestowitz
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From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:40:47 +0000
Local: Wed 27 Feb 2008 03:40
Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web (was: [News] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web)
____/ The Ghost In The Machine on Tuesday 26 February 2008 21:10 : \____

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/02/25/microsoft_adobe_ria_internet...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070507-mono-developers-to-brin...

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/05/04/linux-silverli...

>>> And there's some bad news.  Gentoo does not recognize "moonlight"
>>> as a package name.

>>> Make of all this what one will.

>> My original post was fine. The Microsoft Agent just wants to warp things to
>> discredit. More explanation here, if the Agent is interested.
>> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/

> Hmm....well, it's still dual-platform, anyway.  Of course ideally it
> would be open-sourced, compileable, and alterable as well, with some
> variant of the GPL or LGPL. ;)

"Dual" and "multi" would be okay. A bit like Shared Source, which ignorant
journalism at times called "Open Source" (which it's not).

Microsoft is deceiving developers here to give them the illusion that
Silverlight sites will work for everyone. They won't. In fact, they exclude
Microsoft's #1 risk.

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Discussion subject changed to "Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web" by Roy Schestowitz
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 More options 27 Feb 2008, 03:38
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From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:17 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
____/ Linonut on Wednesday 27 February 2008 00:37 : \____

> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

>>> My original post was fine. The Microsoft Agent just wants to warp things to
>>> discredit. More explanation here, if the Agent is interested.
>>> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/

>> No, Roy.  You lied.  Silverlight is cross platform.  Microsoft has not
>> re-defined the meaning.

>> Cross platform does not mean "runs on all platforms", it means "runs on
>> more than one platform".

> So Microsoft Office is cross-platform, then?

It's not.

Microsoft tries to take a term that is typically used in one context (very
consistently in fact) and transform it to suit selfish agenda. Microsoft is
now doing this to FOSS/OSS as well. It's hijacking words, twists them and
shakes them to kill their meaning.

And again: Moonlight //IS NOT// Silverlight.

>> You are the one trying to redefine it.

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:57:58 -0600
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
On 2008-02-27, The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:

But, Moonlight will be - and MS is helping Novell with the
implementation.  Then it will run on any platform mono runs on -
including Linux...

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On 2008-02-27, The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:

I have heard, and I could be wrong, that the Windows and Mac source are
completely separate code bases...

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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
____/ Tom Shelton on Wednesday 27 February 2008 23:57 : \____

Moonlight is not Silverlight (and will never be). No need for spin here. Not to
mention the horrid Monopendency...

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:38:06 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
In article <1868322.pbRBV3e...@schestowitz.com>,
 Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:

> > But, Moonlight will be - and MS is helping Novell with the
> > implementation.  Then it will run on any platform mono runs on -
> > including Linux...

> Moonlight is not Silverlight (and will never be). No need for spin here. Not
> to
> mention the horrid Monopendency...

Moonlight is an open source implementation of the Silverlight runtime.  
Silverlight content will work on Windows, Mac, and Linux.

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:40:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
* Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:

> In article <1868322.pbRBV3e...@schestowitz.com>,
>  Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>> > But, Moonlight will be - and MS is helping Novell with the
>> > implementation.  Then it will run on any platform mono runs on -
>> > including Linux...

>> Moonlight is not Silverlight (and will never be). No need for spin here. Not
>> to mention the horrid Monopendency...

> Moonlight is an open source implementation of the Silverlight runtime.  

In the same way Mono is an open source implementation of (all of) .NET?

> Silverlight content will work on Windows, Mac, and Linux.

For some definition of "work", I'm sure.

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"Linonut" <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message

news:SYxxj.104295$N67.74757@bignews5.bellsouth.net...

For the commonly accepted definition of "work", I'm sure.

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:30:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Roy Schestowitz Lies Again] Microsoft's Scott Guthrie Lies About/Twists "Cross-platform" to Hijack Web
____/ Linonut on Thursday 28 February 2008 12:40 : \____

> * Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> In article <1868322.pbRBV3e...@schestowitz.com>,
>>  Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>> > But, Moonlight will be - and MS is helping Novell with the
>>> > implementation.  Then it will run on any platform mono runs on -
>>> > including Linux...

>>> Moonlight is not Silverlight (and will never be). No need for spin here.
>>> Not to mention the horrid Monopendency...

>> Moonlight is an open source implementation of the Silverlight runtime.

> In the same way Mono is an open source implementation of (all of) .NET?

It's not. Like I told Tom, "No need for spin here."

>> Silverlight content will work on Windows, Mac, and Linux.

> For some definition of "work", I'm sure.

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