Dabbled with Xubuntu 9.10 in a VM from a downloaded ISO - not good. I had the reported problem of endless cycles round the login screen.
Occasionally I could login after a console login on the same box, but I couldn't repeat the pattern reliably.
However, an "in distro" upgrade from my current 9.04 physical installation was a different story.
Armed with a recent backup of all the important stuff, it took a couple of (largely unattended) hours and It took 1.4Gb or so of downloads before I rebooted to the new prompt.
A slightly newer, flatter look, a faster boot time (subjectively, I don't measure these things or need to reboot much) no problems networking, changing resolution, with sound etc.
However:
1) Starting VMWare Workstation did the standard automatic module recompile. This is expected and only takes a minute or so as a one-off.
2) There were problems with VMWare running full screen with the mouse pointer being constantly grabbed / released and leading to a sort of inaccessible border to the bottom and right of the screen. A bit of googling and setting an environment variable solved that.
3) Some tearing when playing BBC iPlayer video HD full screen in Chromium. Can't remember if it did this before as I rarely play HD full screen. Happened to test this as I wanted to catch up on "The Thick of It". Windowed works flawlessly.
4) gPodder seemed to lose track of my podcast downloads, marking some as deleted, even though I could play the. Haven't used gPodder long enough to determine if this is a gPodder or a Karmic problem. Small beer in any case.
All-in-all, far less pain than I thought, but I expect I've benefited form holding my horses for a *little* while and picking up a few fixes automatically.
> 2) There were problems with VMWare running full screen with the mouse > pointer being constantly grabbed / released and leading to a sort of > inaccessible border to the bottom and right of the screen. A bit of > googling and setting an environment variable solved that.
Interesting. I had a similar problem with Win 2000 and an older version of VMware Player.
I started from scratch and built an XP VM with VirtualBox. Also switched from bridged networking to NAT so that I am not forced to install corporate protective malware that ultimately borks one's Windows.
This seems to make it impossible to join a domain ("Windows cannot find a domain controller for the XXXX domain"), so I have to authenticate resources individually.
> All-in-all, far less pain than I thought, but I expect I've benefited > form holding my horses for a *little* while and picking up a few fixes > automatically.
Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get out of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset.
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> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get > out > of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset.
this mindset only exists in your mind, not anywhere in the real world.
if this mindset you claim exists then how do you account for the fact that over 90% of all windows users are still running XP?
WinXP is over 8 years old now so this "Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset " is just some strawman that exists only in your mind.
>> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get >> out >> of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset.
> this mindset only exists in your mind, not anywhere in the real world.
> if this mindset you claim exists then how do you account for the fact that > over 90% of all windows users are still running XP?
> WinXP is over 8 years old now so this > "Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset " is > just some strawman that exists only in your mind.
Bullshit, the strawman is in your mind. Because of M$'s marketing, how many people bought into the Vista calamity hoping it was *better* than XP, found it was crap, & went *back* to XP? M$ were going to stop supporting XP, but were overwhelmed by the clamor to keep it because Vista *was* complete & utter crap.
Now toddle off & troll somewhere else, windroid.
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>> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get >> out >> of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset.
> this mindset only exists in your mind, not anywhere in the real world.
> if this mindset you claim exists then how do you account for the fact that > over 90% of all windows users are still running XP?
> WinXP is over 8 years old now so this > "Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset " is > just some strawman that exists only in your mind.
Chris is under orders from his master Roy to pretend all is hunky dory. One of his real clangers earlier in the week was saying his Debian 64 bit install "works" when a problem with Ubuntu Krashing Katastrophe was pointed out. Probably the same damn nvidia issues.
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:42:52 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > seani pulled this Usenet boner:
>> 2) There were problems with VMWare running full screen with the mouse >> pointer being constantly grabbed / released and leading to a sort of >> inaccessible border to the bottom and right of the screen. A bit of >> googling and setting an environment variable solved that.
> Interesting. I had a similar problem with Win 2000 and an older version > of VMware Player.
> I started from scratch and built an XP VM with VirtualBox. Also > switched from bridged networking to NAT so that I am not forced to > install corporate protective malware that ultimately borks one's > Windows.
> This seems to make it impossible to join a domain ("Windows cannot find > a domain controller for the XXXX domain"), so I have to authenticate > resources individually.
I haven't seen those problems (so far). The issue that caught me out is a GTK incompatibility apparently, but one EXPORT sorted it.
However I've just encountered my first relatively-show-stopping problem; Chromium has non-rendering (but functional) drop-down list boxes on some sites. Firefox doesn't display the same behaviour, so maybe a Chromium update.
And I haven't looked very hard for the solution yet.
>> All-in-all, far less pain than I thought, but I expect I've benefited >> form holding my horses for a *little* while and picking up a few fixes >> automatically.
> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get > out of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW > mindset.
I upgraded because I have an hour or so to play with. It's trivial to get back to a working system, so very little danger. Compare and contrast :-)
>>> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get >>> out of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW >>> mindset.
>> this mindset only exists in your mind, not anywhere in the real world.
Sure it exists. Hell, even the one-time Visual C++ team leader, Jim McCarthy, bragged about it.
>> if this mindset you claim exists then how do you account for the fact that >> over 90% of all windows users are still running XP?
This troll is confusing net-stats with percentage of use, and bot traffic with regular user traffic.
Not to mention that the traffic share of XP at w3schools is only 72%.
>> WinXP is over 8 years old now so this >> "Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset " is >> just some strawman that exists only in your mind.
> Bullshit, the strawman is in your mind. > Because of M$'s marketing, how many people bought into the Vista calamity > hoping it was *better* than XP, found it was crap, & went *back* to XP? > M$ were going to stop supporting XP, but were overwhelmed by the clamor > to keep it because Vista *was* complete & utter crap.
> Now toddle off & troll somewhere else, windroid.
Another differentiator for the store is its commitment to showcasing the best products available on the Microsoft platform. With so many suppliers creating new hardware, cutting-edge laptops, PCs, monitors and other devices, one ongoing mission of the Microsoft Store will be to find the latest and greatest products for display.
Say, is that troll the Asshole Formerly Known as The Bee?
What a dumbass.
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>>> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get >>> out >>> of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset.
>> this mindset only exists in your mind, not anywhere in the real world.
>> if this mindset you claim exists then how do you account for the fact that >> over 90% of all windows users are still running XP?
>> WinXP is over 8 years old now so this >> "Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset " is >> just some strawman that exists only in your mind.
> Chris is under orders from his master Roy to pretend all is hunky > dory. One of his real clangers earlier in the week was saying his Debian > 64 bit install "works" when a problem with Ubuntu Krashing Katastrophe > was pointed out. Probably the same damn nvidia issues.
The Linux fanbois and lap dogs like Chris Ahlstrom aren't even intelligent enough to check the bug reports before claiming it "works for them" because some of these things are so broken and so documented that there is no way it could work for anyone.
>>>> Yeah, there's no hurry to upgrade. It takes a little discipline to get >>>> out of the Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW >>>> mindset.
>>> this mindset only exists in your mind, not anywhere in the real world.
> Sure it exists. Hell, even the one-time Visual C++ team leader, Jim > McCarthy, bragged about it.
>>> if this mindset you claim exists then how do you account for the fact that >>> over 90% of all windows users are still running XP?
> This troll is confusing net-stats with percentage of use, and bot traffic > with regular user traffic.
> Not to mention that the traffic share of XP at w3schools is only 72%.
>>> WinXP is over 8 years old now so this >>> "Microsoft-you-must-upgrade-to-the-latest-and-greatest-NOW mindset " is >>> just some strawman that exists only in your mind.
>> Bullshit, the strawman is in your mind. >> Because of M$'s marketing, how many people bought into the Vista calamity >> hoping it was *better* than XP, found it was crap, & went *back* to XP? >> M$ were going to stop supporting XP, but were overwhelmed by the clamor >> to keep it because Vista *was* complete & utter crap.
>> Now toddle off & troll somewhere else, windroid.
> Another differentiator for the store is its commitment to showcasing the > best products available on the Microsoft platform. With so many suppliers > creating new hardware, cutting-edge laptops, PCs, monitors and other > devices, one ongoing mission of the Microsoft Store will be to find the > latest and greatest products for display.
> Say, is that troll the Asshole Formerly Known as The Bee? > What a dumbass.
I'm not sure, but it certainly is a dumbo.
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