,----[ Quote ] | I upgraded to 9.10 a while ago. Flawlessly. | So I saw little need to go tell a forum. | This is where people go when they have | problems. Gavin and Serdar were shocked to | find people with support issues on a | support forum. I have no doubt the help | line at Microsoft has taken a lot of calls | recently, but I would not extrapolate from | that a large percentage of Windows users | are having upgrade problems. | | Tellingly and almost the last word on this | are the polls from our previous releases, | none of which were considered or reported | as upgrade disasters: | | Jaunty Poll | | Intrepid Poll ` | | Hardy Poll | | Gutsy Poll | | A very useful summary of these findings by | Nicholas Ipsen is here. I am linking to | these polls not because I want to provide | evidence that the Karmic upgrade experience | is or was good or bad, there are other more | qualified to comment on that, but that | there is nothing new here. `----
,----[ Quote ] | In the interests of keeping things in | perspective, I just wanted to remind us all | of some of the things going on in the | background that I think are worth | remembering. Take these for what they are, | but I think they go a long way in helping | to understand the picture before us. `----
,----[ Quote ] | OK, so there’s something that always | disturbs me when release time comes around. | Here’s a rough chronology of every Ubuntu | release (at least since I’ve been involved, | so that goes back to Breezy Badger) and what | the “buzz” around the internet says: | | 1. Alphas come out: buzz says, “not much | to see here folks, move along.” | 2. Beta comes out: buzz says, “wow, great | release, but where’s the new artwork?” | and I’m thinking “How on earth can the | pull this off?” | 3. RC rolls around: buzz says, “new | awesomeness right around the corner!” and | I’m thinking “darn it, there’s a lot more | to do.” | 4. Release day: buzz says, “OMG I have to | download this” and I’m thinking “phew, | that’s over, I’m glad I rsync’d/zsync’d | yesterday” | 5. The week after a release: buzz says, | “Noooooo, this is the worst Ubuntu | release EVER!” and I’m thinking “wow, | they really did pull it off” | 6. Rinse and Repeat `----
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:02:22 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1
> The much misunderstood Ubuntu 9.10 upgrade poll
And Linux Magazine says Ubuntu 9.10 is shit.....
Hey Ubuntu, Stop Making Linux Look Bad
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It’s the same old story. A new Ubuntu release, a new series of pain and frustration.
Canonical releases a new version of Ubuntu every 6 months, come what may. Unfortunately what most often comes is a system full of bugs, pain, anguish, wailing and gnashing of teeth - as many “early” adopters of Karmic Koala have discovered.
The problem is, Ubuntu makes Linux look bad. As more and more people make the switch to free software this is not a good thing. Linux is meant to be stable, secure, reliable.
On the other hand, Ubuntu is obviously doing a lot right. People are indeed switching to Linux, and most of these users have come from an operating system far more torturous, but what they arrive to doesn’t have to be the way it is. Indeed, it shouldn’t be that way.
You see, “With great power comes great responsibility” and now that Ubuntu is very popular it really has a responsibility to create quality products.
As usual, some things which were broken in the previous release are now fixed, but things which were working are now broken. A friend of mine has two wireless USB devices. One works on 9.04 while the other one doesn’t, which is fair enough. With 9.10 however, the one which wasn’t working now works, but the one which was working now doesn’t. Come again? It’s not the first time either. Upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 his TV tuner cards which used to work, then stopped.
There’s gotta be a better way to do this.
With each new release comes new features, newer software, yet somehow things go backwards. Free software is supposed to improve with each new release. Take OS X, which gets faster. Cleaner. Better. Sure, they have a much smaller hardware base to work on, but it can be done. Ubuntu with the potential for thousands of developers surely can do a better job? Or at least, surely it could at least move forward??
Perhaps Ubuntu’s success is also its curse. They came to fame by making the hard things easier and as such have done great things for the Linux desktop. When you introduce components like proprietary software however, things get more complicated. Sure, Jockey (the proprietary driver manager) warns that Ubuntu “cannot improve or fix these third party drivers,” but does the average user really know what that means? All they know is that their entire (supposedly stable) Linux box hard locks each time they log out or switch users.
Personally, upgrading a recent Jaunty install to Karmic entirely broke networking on the box. Meanwhile, a fresh Kubuntu 32bit install wouldn’t boot with a broken GRUB2 configuration and booting to the Live CD then hard locked the machine. On another machine, half-way through a fresh Ubuntu 64 bit install, the video card suddenly started to display artefacts on the screen. A power off and reboot and it’s still broken. Coincidence? Maybe.
Other people experience awesome features like broken graphics, crashing installer, misconfigured boot loader, USB drives not mounting, sound not working, broken wireless, the list goes on. Upgrading is so bad that a majority of the advice is to perform a fresh install. In fact, the entire term “early adopter” refers to the fact that most experienced Ubuntu users upgrading to the latest version will always wait at least a month before doing so, in order to ensure most major bugs are fixed. Is this seriously acceptable? Is this what you expect from a Linux system? Surely this is some kind of morbid, ironic joke.
Ubuntu is starting to make dents in the commercial arena and that’s great, but do we really need fancy new features like Ubuntu One when basic functionality (that quite frankly should be solved in the 21st century) doesn’t work as expected? Isn’t Ubuntu supposed to “Just Work”™?
Don’t believe me? Just take a look at the release notes for 9.10 and read the 40 odd bugs for this “stable” operating system:
* Boot from degraded RAID array broken * File system corruption with so called “large files” over 512MB * Hibernation unavailable with automatic partitioning * Kubuntu package manager does not warn about installing from unsigned package repositories * No USB devices work on MSI Wind netbooks, plus flickering graphics * No Xv support for Intel graphics * Samba nmbd daemon not started during boot * System won’t boot with converted ext4 file system * Ubuntu Netbook Remix missing shutdown applet * Ubuntu One client corrupts data * Wireless kill switch segfaults kernel * X server crashes when using a Wacom tablet * ..and others (plus more discovered after release).
You must be joking.
A poll on the Ubuntu forums shows just 10% of people had a flawless install. Now that’s something to be proud of! Still not convinced? Try it yourself.
They say, “What goes around comes around.” If Ubuntu doesn’t get their act together then they will be eclipsed by other distros, and rightfully so. What’s worse about all this, is that Karmic Koala had been talked up so much. “It’s a Windows 7 killer” and all that, which of course we’ve heard before. Shuttleworth boasts that he is even “looking forward” to the battle with Microsoft. In the face of Microsoft’s latest effort, just when Linux needed a knight in shining armor and a prime example of how amazing free software is we get, ah, Ubuntu. Hurrah.
Many years ago Linux was very command line focused (and still can be, thank goodness). Back then, many Windows users tried Linux and were scared off, never to try Linux again having been so deeply scarred by that initial experience. It’s happening again, except that this time many of the things which are great about Linux that are touted by the community are being destroyed. Linux is stable, it doesn’t crash. Whoops, Ubuntu just hard locked my machine. Whoops, Firefox is no longer starting up for some reason, whoops this package is now broken. Gah!
Canonical is not an open source company, they are just using free software to try and get a slice of the huge operating system market. Even so, one of Shuttleworth’s primary goals for Ubuntu is for it to be as good as OS X. With releases like Karmic Koala, they aren’t going to get there any time soon, especially when Apple is releasing excellent bug fix-only versions like Snow Leopard. Get your act together, because while Ubuntu might be gaining brave new users who have it worse on Windows, it just doesn’t cut it for experienced Linux users.
Of course these sort of issues are not limited to Ubuntu, but it certainly seems to have more than its fair share. Perhaps it’s the whole commercially driven “release on time” philosophy, or maybe there aren’t enough beta testers. Then again, Fedora has been pushing the limits more than Ubuntu recently and has introduced far more features, yet has had much more successful releases. Something is very wrong with Ubuntu’s release cycle.
Perhaps it’s just Karma, or perhaps the mascot too greatly epitomizes this release. Koalas are after all, very lazy beasts who sleep most of the time (and they don’t drink at all). Drop bears on the other hand.. Christopher Smart has been using Linux since 1999. In 2005 he created Kororaa Linux, which delivered the world's first Live CD showcasing 3D desktop effects. He also founded the MakeTheMove website, which introduces users to free software and encourages them to switch. In his spare time he enjoys writing articles on free software.
Roy Schestowitz wrote: > The Myth of the Bad Ubuntu Release
> ,----[ Quote ] >> OK, so there’s something that always disturbs me when release time >> comes around. Here’s a rough chronology of every Ubuntu release (at >> least since I’ve been involved, so that goes back to Breezy Badger) >> and what the “buzz” around the internet says:
>> 1. Alphas come out: buzz says, “not much to see here folks, move >> along.”
>> 2. Beta comes out: buzz says, “wow, great release, but where’s the >> new artwork?” and I’m thinking “How on earth can the pull this >> off?”
>> 3. RC rolls around: buzz says, “new awesomeness right around the >> corner!” and I’m thinking “darn it, there’s a lot more to do.”
>> 4. Release day: buzz says, “OMG I have to download this” and I’m >> thinking “phew, that’s over, I’m glad I rsync’d/zsync’d yesterday”
>> 5. The week after a release: buzz says, “Noooooo, this is the worst >> Ubuntu release EVER!” and I’m thinking “wow, they really did pull >> it off”
Replace buzz with Flatfish (and oodles of nyms), Hadron, DFS, Erik Funkenbusch, Tim Smith, Ezekiel and ad nauseum and we have what is going on in this group. No wonder, it is the grand opening for Windows Vista 7.
OTOH, Snit and Duane Arnold are compleate idiots, adding to the background noise.
I'm not impressed with Windows 7 and so far, those I have spoken to are not either. The latest Apple commercial sums it up best from Windows 3.1 to 7 ....
There's nothing new under the sun. Meanwhile, Command and Conquer Red Alert III keeps randomly crashing, to the extent I can't get an enjoyable evening out of it in Windows XP. After crashing, comes up with a Microsoft "Had to terminate" window. After attempting to restart, get a Direct X improperly installed error. This is with Windows XP newly reinstalled and all patches applied, latest EA Games patches applied. Latest legacy driver from ATI is installed for the Radeon 9550 AGP card.
Only a reboot allows restarting C&C Red Alert III.
I guess the convicted monopoly wants me to pony up $190 US to primo upgrade, so I can play a recently purchased XP legacy game. Even then, I don't know if the upgrade version can be applied to XP, or only Vista. The full blown W7 Pro is $283 US.
At that price, I am better off upgrading my hardware (which I would have had to do anyway, the 2.95 GHz Intel Celeron with 256 MB Radeon video and 1 GB RAM is not good enough), install Ubuntu, purchase a commercial Linux to Windows emulator (about $60 US), and screw Microsoft forever from then on.
> At that price, I am better off upgrading my hardware (which I would have > had to do anyway, the 2.95 GHz Intel Celeron with 256 MB Radeon video > and 1 GB RAM is not good enough), install Ubuntu, purchase a commercial > Linux to Windows emulator (about $60 US), and screw Microsoft forever > from then on.
Make your workplace pay for your Windows. That's what I do.
(Though I did pay the Vista tax on the recent laptop purchase :-( )
-- Zounds! I was never so bethumped with words since I first called my brother's father dad. -- William Shakespeare, "Kind John"
Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > High Plains Thumper pulled this Usenet boner:
>> The full blown W7 Pro is $283 US.
>> At that price, I am better off upgrading my hardware (which I would >> have had to do anyway, the 2.95 GHz Intel Celeron with 256 MB Radeon >> video and 1 GB RAM is not good enough), install Ubuntu, purchase a >> commercial Linux to Windows emulator (about $60 US), and screw >> Microsoft forever from then on.
> Make your workplace pay for your Windows. That's what I do.
> (Though I did pay the Vista tax on the recent laptop purchase :-( )
No such thing as a Windows or Microsoft or Vista tax, of course.
Whatever Windows you paid for was paid for willingly, of course, since there are any number of Linux laptops you could've bought.
John Fuhrer stated in post 13ebb4i7v8at5$.pu1zglimlefw....@40tude.net on 11/7/09 10:48 AM:
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:07:25 -0700, Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated in post hd45qh$7l...@news.albasani.net on 11/7/09 >> 9:04 AM:
>>> OTOH, Snit and Duane Arnold are compleate idiots, adding to the >>> background noise.
>> You call me an "idiot" and yet you admit you are too incompetent to do what >> I find easy.
>> You really do not think well of yourself.
> What do you expect from a person who seems obsessed with how motorcycles > relate to the size of a man's penis ?
He also is obsessed with getting me to focus on his sexuality. I really do not care if he is gay... or if anyone else is. It is 100% irrelevant and, frankly, a grade school "insult" when used as one. It does nothing but show his own insecurity with his sexuality.
> That had to be one of the stranger threads HPT ever posted.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:07:50 -0800, Tim Smith wrote: > In article <C71B0E1D.52A20%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>, > Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> Maybe he is trying to copy the other guy's paper... where is his paste? :)
> OK, you've won this thread. That remark cannot be topped.
Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > High Plains Thumper pulled this Usenet boner:
>> The full blown W7 Pro is $283 US.
>> At that price, I am better off upgrading my hardware (which I would >> have had to do anyway, the 2.95 GHz Intel Celeron with 256 MB >> Radeon video and 1 GB RAM is not good enough), install Ubuntu, >> purchase a commercial Linux to Windows emulator (about $60 US), and >> screw Microsoft forever from then on.
> Make your workplace pay for your Windows. That's what I do.
Prevented by company policy.
> (Though I did pay the Vista tax on the recent laptop purchase :-( )
In US, it is difficult to find a reasonably priced whitebox laptop on sale, so Windows tax is unavoidable.
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> High Plains Thumper pulled this Usenet boner:
>>> The full blown W7 Pro is $283 US.
>>> At that price, I am better off upgrading my hardware (which I would >>> have had to do anyway, the 2.95 GHz Intel Celeron with 256 MB >>> Radeon video and 1 GB RAM is not good enough), install Ubuntu, >>> purchase a commercial Linux to Windows emulator (about $60 US), and >>> screw Microsoft forever from then on.
>> Make your workplace pay for your Windows. That's what I do.
> Prevented by company policy.
Well, they want me to write code for Windows, they need to provide the Windows.
>> (Though I did pay the Vista tax on the recent laptop purchase :-( )
> In US, it is difficult to find a reasonably priced whitebox laptop on > sale, so Windows tax is unavoidable.
-- You see, I consider that a man's brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool takes in all the lumber of every sort he comes across, so that the knowledge which might be useful to him gets crowded out, or at best is jumbled up with a lot of other things, so that he has difficulty in laying his hands upon it. Now the skilful workman is very careful indeed as to what he takes into his brain-attic. He will have nothing but the tools which may help him in doing his work, but of these he has a large assortment, and all in the most perfect order. It is a mistake to think that that little room has elastic walls and can distend to any extent. Depend upon it there comes a time when for every addition of knowledge you forget something that you knew before. It is of the highest importance, therefore, not to have useless facts elbowing out the useful ones. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Study in Scarlet"
Snit wrote: > He also is obsessed with getting me to focus on his sexuality. I > really do not care if he is gay... or if anyone else is. It is 100% > irrelevant and, frankly, a grade school "insult" when used as one. > It does nothing but show his own insecurity with his sexuality.
Then why did Snit unprovokedly support Flatfish by initiating this post?
[quote] Someone said HPT was gay. HPT got so bent out of shape he threatened to *sue*! I noted I did not agree with using someone's sexuality in "targeting" them, even if they are a liar such as HPT, and said:
In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the claim as an insult.
You, lying, responded with:
The bigoted, hypocritical liar named Snit was busted suggesting that another poster should feel "embarrassed" for being "outted" and he's seen whining about it here. Is anyone surprised? Anyone at all? Didn't think so...
Notice how I never said if HPT was or was not gay (I neither know nor care), nor did I say, if he is gay, if he should or should not be embarrassed for being outted as being gay, yet you dishonestly insist I claimed he should be!
Did you purposely lie or did you just not understand what you read?
Who cares...
The real issue here is that in 2004 your girlfriend decided you were no longer her "sexual preference" and you blamed me. To this day you still hold onto your anger and troll me and lie about me.
High Plains Thumper stated in post 0da3e259-f2d4-41df-b1f4-69506ebc5...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com on 11/7/09 10:10 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>> He also is obsessed with getting me to focus on his sexuality. I >> really do not care if he is gay... or if anyone else is. It is 100% >> irrelevant and, frankly, a grade school "insult" when used as one. >> It does nothing but show his own insecurity with his sexuality.
> Then why did Snit unprovokedly support Flatfish by initiating this > post?
Where do I say a word about anyone other than you? And why are you so obsessed with my knowing about your sexuality. Again: I DO NOT CARE!
> [quote] > Someone said HPT was gay. HPT got so bent out of shape he threatened > to *sue*! I noted I did not agree with using someone's sexuality in > "targeting" them, even if they are a liar such as HPT, and said:
> In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is > embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the > claim as an insult.
> You, lying, responded with:
> The bigoted, hypocritical liar named Snit was busted > suggesting that another poster should feel "embarrassed" for > being "outted" and he's seen whining about it here. Is anyone > surprised? Anyone at all? Didn't think so...
> Notice how I never said if HPT was or was not gay (I neither know nor > care), nor did I say, if he is gay, if he should or should not be > embarrassed for being outted as being gay, yet you dishonestly insist > I claimed he should be!
> Did you purposely lie or did you just not understand what you read?
> Who cares...
> The real issue here is that in 2004 your girlfriend decided you were > no longer her "sexual preference" and you blamed me. To this day you > still hold onto your anger and troll me and lie about me.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:48:44 -0700, Snit wrote: >> High Plains Thumper stated in post >> 0da3e259-f2d4-41df-b1f4-69506ebc5...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com on 11/7/09 >> 10:10 PM: >> Seems to be an expression by a frustrated closeted (homo)sexual.
> I do not care if you are open, closeted, or, well - ANYTHING. Your > sexuality is your business. Leave it that way.
>>>> In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is >>>> embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the claim >>>> as an insult.
>>> Those are the only two alternatives possible Snit? ... How >>> amazingly ignorant of you Snit! really!
>>>> I do not think comments should be targeted in such a way,
>>> How would you have targeted such speculation Snit? ... Do tell!
>>> Snit aligning himself with a person that link's mental illness >>> with latent homosexuality ... Good grief, do they still have the >>> 'Ducking stool' in Prescott too?
>>> "It's long been known that High Plains Thumper = Wendy >>> Toiletwater = George Hostler displays the classic signs of a >>> mentally ill person. I suspect it is his latent homosexuality >>> that is causing the problems."-Doctor Smith
>>> Could this be a sign that Snit accepts that his own latent >>> homosexuality may be a factor regarding the mental problems that >>> he has claimed that he has had to endure?
>> Good point! Snit with his constant whines certainly sounds like a >> closet sister.
>>> Or is this no more than a classic example of Snit's hypocrisy and >>> or of the ever present slipping of reality from Snit's fragile >>> grasp?
>> Of course it is! He's dug himself in deep, too deep to retract >> himself.
> I noted that I *disagreed* with someone being insulted as they > were... and you and Wally insist that means I agreed.
"In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the claim as an insult."-Snit
Where are you disagreeing Snit?
And you should note that it seems to be only you that has linked being called gay with being insulted Snit, frankly I consider it an insult that you should think that I believe your lies no matter what the subject happens to be!
Why do you consider being called gay an insult Snit?
> Please, would the two of you stop lying and at least *try* to stick > to some topic other than personal attacks designed to keep others on > the defensive so you can avoid talking about relevant issues?
"In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the claim as an insult."-Snit
Was that comment "relevant" Snit? If so ... To what?
> Please?
> I simply cannot imagine the humiliation you two must be under to feel > the need to act as you do.
I realize that you of all people do not need imagination to feel humiliated Snit, it's obvious in almost every thread you are concerned with that you know the feeling all too well! [quote]
Snit still holds hands with Flatfish (Doctor Smith, John Furher) in his trolling. Based on Snit's dialogue, Wally concluded Snit a frustrated, closeted (homo)sexual.
____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Saturday 07 Nov 2009 16:20 : \____
> High Plains Thumper pulled this Usenet boner:
>> The full blown W7 Pro is $283 US.
>> At that price, I am better off upgrading my hardware (which I would have >> had to do anyway, the 2.95 GHz Intel Celeron with 256 MB Radeon video >> and 1 GB RAM is not good enough), install Ubuntu, purchase a commercial >> Linux to Windows emulator (about $60 US), and screw Microsoft forever >> from then on.
> Make your workplace pay for your Windows. That's what I do.
> (Though I did pay the Vista tax on the recent laptop purchase :-( )
A friend of mine convinced his boss to put Ubuntu on PCs :-)
I smell change. :-)
I also smell FUD against Ubuntu. Makes sense.... it's all correlated.
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High Plains Thumper stated in post 9069b8b5-ed02-4457-be8c-8bc9df23d...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com on 11/8/09 4:55 AM:
...
>> I noted that I *disagreed* with someone being insulted as they >> were... and you and Wally insist that means I agreed.
> "In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is > embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the claim as an > insult."-Snit
> Where are you disagreeing Snit?
> And you should note that it seems to be only you that has linked being > called gay with being insulted Snit, frankly I consider it an insult > that you should think that I believe your lies no matter what the > subject happens to be!
> Why do you consider being called gay an insult Snit?
You threatened to sue over your sexuality being discussed. Now you claim you were not insulted. Oh, and where was I disagreeing... read my full comments:
I just posted a number of his recent message IDs where he libeled me and even targeted my professional life in reprehensible ways. The fact is he has no desire to take you to court, but if for some reason he pushes his own back against the wall hard enough where he feels he needs to do so, I will be happy to find those documents and provide direct links to Google or other archives to prove a lack of tampering.
In the end he is being a hypocrite: either he is gay and is embarrassed you outted him or he is not gay and takes the claim as an insult. I do not think comments should be targeted in such a way, for what it is worth, but given his easily proved behavior, that continues even today, I have *no* sympathy for him. He is a hypocrite whining because he got a very, very small taste of what he dishes out.
Can you find the part, now, where I noted comments should not be targeted in such a way? Do you need help to find that? Granted, given what a miserable example of humanity you are, I have *no* sympathy for you. None. You whined about someone talking about your sexuality and even threatened to sue. Now you are obsessing about your sexuality... pushing the topic whenever you can. I do not care if you are gay. Really. Your sex life / preference is not what makes you a miserable human.
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