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Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

alex.se...@remove.pobox.com (Alex Selby) — Sat, 11 Nov 2009 02:05:47 UT

Excuse me for replying to myself, but thinking about it, I am a bit more
annoyed about it than I implied above because it's this kind of price
distortion (undercharging for product, overcharging for consumables)
that encourages waste. (Artificially high incentive to throw away and
start again.)

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

alex.se...@remove.pobox.com (Alex Selby) — Sat, 11 Nov 2009 01:51:07 UT

It doesn't apply to all models, and it looks like something they might
be bringing in for new ones, so you might be safe. The trick is they
claim that "unauthorised" batteries can be a "safety hazard", so
they've gone the way of printer ink manufacturers and somehow chipped
their batteries.
A couple of months ago I was considering buying a DMC-TZ7 (= DMC-ZS3

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

(Phil W Lee at dot dot) — Sat, 11 Nov 2009 01:43:45 UT

"Fevric J. Glandules" <f...@invalid.invalid> considered Fri, 27 Nov
Apart from the carefully engineered in failure to encourage repeat
sales.

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

nntpn...@dmx512.co.uk (Duncan Wood) — Sat, 11 Nov 2009 00:48:17 UT

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:11:54 -0000, Phil W Lee <phil lee-family me <"uk>">
wrote:
With a five year guarantee?
I don't remember there being a large supply of cheap functional 2nd hand
microwaves when I was a student.

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

jo...@deadspam.com (Jon Green) — Sat, 11 Nov 2009 00:22:03 UT

Not sure what you mean. I got a DMC-FZ28 last year, just after they'd
come onto the market, and aftermarket batteries were already available
(in fact, I got one in the accessories bundle).
Oh, and it's an excellent camera. Weaned me off Olympus! (Well that,
and Olympus' past tendency to need xD cards when no-one else much uses

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

g...@snapefamily.theobvious.org.uk (Guy Snape) — Sat, 11 Nov 2009 00:17:41 UT

I have to say, our panasonic dvd recorder conked out after just under
two years. Thank goodness I bought it from Robert Sayle - they gave me a
full refund which paid for a humax hdr. :-)
- g.

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

p...@nospamcamtutor.co.uk (Paul Bird) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 22:47:33 UT

No I can't. I think they'd laugh in your face and say their goods will
last that long anyway, and yes if you want to bet that they would put
that in writing there's a tenner on the table I'll never have to pay.
BTW I well remember when microwaves suddenly started appearing for £35
and I thought that's just bloody silly, you won't catch me buying one of

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

alex.se...@remove.pobox.com (Alex Selby) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 22:35:21 UT

I agree. I've recently upgraded from a Panasonic microwave to another
Panasonic. I've had the old one for about 10+ years and it still works
pretty well, though it sometimes rattles now while it's cooking. (If
anyone wants to take it off my hands for a nominal fee, then they're
welcome to it! It's 800W, cream coloured, smallish.)

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

mich...@mtkilpatrick.spamfsnet.co.uk (Michael Kilpatrick) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 22:23:36 UT

So, you can't picture Panasonic getting all het up about legislation
that might see a greatly increased statutory warranty, are you saying?
And that you don't imagine that Panasonic's products would have to
increase much in price in order to account for such a regime?
Michael

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

f...@invalid.invalid (Fevric J. Glandules) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 21:45:13 UT

I think that at the Argos Value end of things, it's *all* about price.

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

p...@nospamcamtutor.co.uk (Paul Bird) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 20:23:37 UT

I've been reading this thread in disbelief. Practically every
electrical good we've got in the house is from Panasonic, they work
well, they last, they're not unduly expensive, they are well designed,
from memory CRT TV, DVD/Recorder, telephones, microwave, breadmaker
(superb) I'll leave it there.

Re: Phoned self on BT ?

use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk (Mark Goodge) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 20:20:29 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:52:34 +0000, Roland Perry put finger to
keyboard and typed:
What really matters is how a court would choose to read it. Unless you
can offer some evidence to suggest that they wouldn't read it that
way, I'm inlined to think that they'd agree with me. And, as I said
previously, my own experience is that my bank agrees with me.

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk (Mark Goodge) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 20:16:36 UT

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:16:59 -0600, Ben C put finger to keyboard and
typed:
In that, I agree with you. The other thing you can't seem to find
these days is a microwave with a full keypad, instead of either a knob
or some stupid press-five-times-for-five-minu tes thing. I've got a
(relatively cheap) Saisho microwave that I bought from Dixons (as was)

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk (Mark Goodge) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 20:08:05 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:41:39 +0000, Phil W Lee
<phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot )uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
It clearly isn't, given my experience.
I'm certainly not rich. Most of my current stuff was bought while I
was working for a charity and on a salary well below the national
average. I'm now earning far more than that, and in a position to

Re: "Durability" under sale of goods act

use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk (Mark Goodge) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 20:00:50 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:13:56 +0000 (UTC), Fevric J. Glandules put
finger to keyboard and typed:
No, because at the moment the law only reqires goods to be of
sufficient quality for the purpose for which they are sold. I think
that's reasonable. I'm not opposed to consumer protection legislation
per se, only where it acts against the best interests of the tyical