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Plum  
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 More options 9 Nov, 13:54
Newsgroups: cam.misc
From: "Plum" <cheyw...@waitrose.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:54:00 -0000
Subject: Bug - More
Not bad enough for swine flu - no temperature for instance.  Am beginning to
recover.  Thanks for the kind thoughts.

On the subject of the self-employed and flu inoculations, I was permitted
these for years and years because I was SE but I still managed to get flu.
I reckon the bugs are just that little bit ahead or there are just too many.


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Jon Green  
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 More options 9 Nov, 15:15
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From: Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:15:54 +0000
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 15:15
Subject: Re: Bug - More

Plum wrote:
> On the subject of the self-employed and flu inoculations, I was
> permitted these for years and years because I was SE but I still managed
> to get flu. I reckon the bugs are just that little bit ahead or there
> are just too many.

Well, the jab only costs £8 from Tesco.

It's based upon the flu strains in circulation in Southern Hemisphere's
winter, and the previous N Hem winter too.  It can't provide protection
for any new variants that have cropped up since the ones from which it
was cultured.

Generally, you're far more likely to encounter known strains than novel
ones, so the jab does give a good general coverage.  You just got unlucky.

Jon


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John Penton  
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 More options 10 Nov, 13:34
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From: "John Penton" <john.pen...@arm.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:34:16 -0000
Local: Tues 10 Nov 2009 13:34
Subject: Re: Bug - More

Plum wrote:
> Not bad enough for swine flu - no temperature for instance.  Am
> beginning to recover.  Thanks for the kind thoughts.

Not having a fever doesn't necessarily mean you don't have swine flu,
according to:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18058-swine-flu-myth-the-sympto...

John

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Mike Clark  
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 More options 10 Nov, 14:48
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From: Mike Clark <mrc7-...@cam.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:48:06 GMT
Local: Tues 10 Nov 2009 14:48
Subject: Re: Bug - More
In message <hdbq3k$1k...@cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com> you wrote:

> Plum wrote:
> > Not bad enough for swine flu - no temperature for instance.  Am
> > beginning to recover.  Thanks for the kind thoughts.

> Not having a fever doesn't necessarily mean you don't have swine flu,
> according to:
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18058-swine-flu-myth-the-sympto...

> John

Yes one of the problems with immune systems of outbred populations is
that individuals tend to react in a diverse way to a given infectious
agent. The only definitive way to tell if someone has been exposed to
H1N1 is to either directly detect the virus (e.g. by PCR cloning and
sequencing), or perhaps to detect specific immunity against the virus
(e.g. screen for specific antibodies or reactive T-cells). However such
diagnostic testing is being prioritised for individuals whose critical
care might depend upon the outcome of the result. Anyone with
uncomplicated symptoms, mild symptoms, and especially  those who are
asymptomatic, are unlikely to be tested, and thus will remain
undiagnosed and unconfirmed. So there are likely to be lots of people
who have had an infection with the virus but not been aware that it was
H1N1.

Mike
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