Some devices have been cropping up on some lamp-posts in my street and neighbouring streets. The devices look like cylindrical devices, mounted vertically on the side of the lamp-post, with a upturned dome at the bottom end. This device is connected to a box, also on the lamp-post. An aerial comes out of the box. the aerial's on a long pole and looks like the ones on some of the electronic displays for available car parking places around the city.
I always thought they maybe cameras, but these devices are in a quiet cul-de-sac (Arbury Park end of Histon Road). Anyone know what they are? I have only noticed them there very recently.
In article <07a6e4c9-ff97-46b3-aa25-47fb870b3...@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Some devices have been cropping up on some lamp-posts in my street and >neighbouring streets. The devices look like cylindrical devices, >mounted vertically on the side of the lamp-post, with a upturned dome >at the bottom end. This device is connected to a box, also on the >lamp-post. An aerial comes out of the box. the aerial's on a long >pole and looks like the ones on some of the electronic displays for >available car parking places around the city.
>I always thought they maybe cameras, but these devices are in a quiet >cul-de-sac (Arbury Park end of Histon Road). Anyone know what they >are? I have only noticed them there very recently.
If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky little sign saying "CCTV".
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky >> little sign saying "CCTV".
> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential > street?
When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening, sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have finally found a solution?
> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky >> little sign saying "CCTV".
> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential > street?
Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local residents asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse than the current competing demands.
-- Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb Cambridge City Councillor
"Duncan Wood" <bodged...@dmx512.co.uk> writes: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky >>> little sign saying "CCTV".
>> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential >> street?
> When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding > skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening, > sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have > finally found a solution?
Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem? Would you rather they were watching telly and playing on their Xboxes?
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>>>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky >>>> little sign saying "CCTV".
>>> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential >>> street?
>> When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding >> skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening, >> sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have >> finally found a solution?
> Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem? Would > you rather they were watching telly and playing on their Xboxes?
Sorry, my sarcasm level obviously wasn't high enough. Apparently leaving black shiny marks on the kerb is a mjor publi order issue or something.
> "Duncan Wood" <bodged...@dmx512.co.uk> writes: > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
> >>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky > >>> little sign saying "CCTV".
> >> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential > >> street?
> > When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding > > skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening, > > sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have > > finally found a solution?
> Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem?
And how exactly do CCTV cameras 'solve' the 'problem'? If there's a known problem with illegal things going on, a camera isn't going to stop them in the way a policeman walking around the area would. If, however, only legal things are going on, are we all supposed to stop doing them just because somebody some miles away may be watching us on a screen?
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:08:30 +0000, Tim Ward wrote: > Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local > residents asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to > be worse than the current competing demands.
Why don't we just cut the crap and issue everybody over the age of two with a GPS-equipped headcam, the whole lot linked to a national identity databa... hang on, let me think about this some more...
-- One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>>>>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky >>>>> little sign saying "CCTV".
>>>> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential >>>> street?
>>> When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding >>> skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening, >>> sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have >>> finally found a solution?
>> Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem? Would >> you rather they were watching telly and playing on their Xboxes?
> Sorry, my sarcasm level obviously wasn't high enough...
Ah, sorry, I'm afraid newsgroup reading does tend to put me in a rather literal frame of mind.
On 2008-03-10 17:08:30 +0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> said:
> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local residents > asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse than > the current competing demands.
I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most pleased :-)
The only 'problem' around here are a few kids playing with their football and acting as moving chicanes when I'm driving home from work. That hardly warrants CCTV cameras.
> On 2008-03-10 17:08:30 +0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> said:
>> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local >> residents >> asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse >> than >> the current competing demands.
> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most > pleased :-)
Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
> The only 'problem' around here are a few kids playing with their football > and acting as moving chicanes when I'm driving home from work. That hardly > warrants CCTV cameras.
At a guess (not actually knowing anything about this particular deployment) your neighbours don't agree with you.
-- Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb Cambridge City Councillor
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:09:49 -0000, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote: > "Phil" <pylch...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:fr3t0t$lk6$1@news.datemas.de... >> On 2008-03-10 17:08:30 +0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> said:
>>> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local >>> residents >>> asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse >>> than >>> the current competing demands.
>> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most >> pleased :-)
> Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system > black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty > operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom > window.
>> The only 'problem' around here are a few kids playing with their >> football >> and acting as moving chicanes when I'm driving home from work. That >> hardly >> warrants CCTV cameras.
> At a guess (not actually knowing anything about this particular > deployment) > your neighbours don't agree with you.
Presumably his neighbours who complain loudest don't agree with him, assuming they're representative of his neighbours may well be a fallacy. It definitely was where I lived.
In article <42b906c3-2f23-443e-af9a-0bc083652...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Mike W Miller wrote:
>And how exactly do CCTV cameras 'solve' the 'problem'? If there's a >known problem with illegal things going on, a camera isn't going to >stop them in the way a policeman walking around the area would.
If there aren't enough policemen to walk around everywhere, they can choose to walk those places the cameras are showing them problems at the moment. That won't stop anyone who knows that the CCTV coverage won't be enough to identify them and that they will be well clear of the area before anyone actually turns up after whatever short-lasting thing they've done, but nor will random patrols.
> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet > residential street?
If they're the two I'm thinking of (which went up on Friday) then they're (I believe) in response to a number of attempted burglaries in recent weeks. I had a quick chat with the Council guy who was putting them up - and apparently they're typically left in place for a few weeks.
In message <63lbreF27q3m...@mid.individual.net>, at 18:09:49 on Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked:
>> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most >> pleased :-)
>Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system >black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty >operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
> In message <63lbreF27q3m...@mid.individual.net>, at 18:09:49 on Mon, 10 > Mar 2008, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked: >>> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most >>> pleased :-)
>>Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system >>black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty >>operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
> Only until the policy changes.
Which would have to be voted for by a majority of councillors, including the several here, which I personally think would be exceedingly unlikely.
-- Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb Cambridge City Councillor
> I always thought they maybe cameras, but these devices are in a quiet > cul-de-sac (Arbury Park end of Histon Road). Anyone know what they > are? I have only noticed them there very recently.
Wouldn't be Molewood / Hazelwood Close by any chance? That little area seems to punch well about its weight in scumbag activities.
>> I always thought they maybe cameras, but these devices are in a quiet >> cul-de-sac (Arbury Park end of Histon Road). Anyone know what they >> are? I have only noticed them there very recently.
> Wouldn't be Molewood / Hazelwood Close by any chance? That little area > seems to punch well about its weight in scumbag activities.
That's where I ended up guessing was meant. (For future reference "H&M" is clearer than "Arbury Park end", as at least that makes it clear which side of the city boundary is involved.) There are two clear factions there - one that thinks that feral youths should be discouraged from terrorising little old ladies by riding their illegal motorbikes down dark pavements at 60mph with no lights on, and one that thinks that it's nice to have happy little children playing outside one's window. (Personally my main issue with that area is the dogs.)
-- Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb Cambridge City Councillor
On 2008-03-10 19:39:36 +0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> said:
> That's where I ended up guessing was meant. (For future reference "H&M" is > clearer than "Arbury Park end", as at least that makes it clear which side > of the city boundary is involved.) There are two clear factions there - one > that thinks that feral youths should be discouraged from terrorising little > old ladies by riding their illegal motorbikes down dark pavements at 60mph > with no lights on, and one that thinks that it's nice to have happy little > children playing outside one's window. (Personally my main issue with that > area is the dogs.)
It's the two that has appeared down Martingale Close that I was talking about.
>> That's where I ended up guessing was meant. (For future reference "H&M" is >> clearer than "Arbury Park end", as at least that makes it clear which side >> of the city boundary is involved.) There are two clear factions there - one >> that thinks that feral youths should be discouraged from terrorising little >> old ladies by riding their illegal motorbikes down dark pavements at 60mph >> with no lights on, and one that thinks that it's nice to have happy little >> children playing outside one's window. (Personally my main issue with that >> area is the dogs.)
>It's the two that has appeared down Martingale Close that I was talking about.
I often wonder if they get the signals back to base seeing that they are supposed to work on 2.4 Ghz .... -- Tony Sayer
In message <63lgbpF27k3c...@mid.individual.net>, at 19:26:49 on Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked:
>>>Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system >>>black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty >>>operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
>> Only until the policy changes.
>Which would have to be voted for by a majority of councillors, including the >several here, which I personally think would be exceedingly unlikely.
Times change, as sometimes does the adherence of officials to "official" policy. -- Roland Perry
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