I have been confused for some time by the comments made by local councilors, and the need for local shops. Lets look at the current situation
I will class the existing supermarkets in Cambridge City as either Large (or Hypermarket, standard (or supermarket) and local shops or ones exempt from Sunday trading laws on size grounds.
Local shops- Co-Ops, Tesco Express ,One stop etc, all over town.
So one can see that the supply of large stores is very sparse North of the river.
Now seeing that the local councilors are concerned by a lack of local large local food stores in the Kite etc you would think that they would be campaigning for more large stores North of the river, but no
When a store was proposed by Sainsbury's in the north of Kings Hedges* the council opposed it (* might have even been outside the city like Tesco Fulbourn)
Then a large store was proposed in the University Farm development(between Madingley and Huntingdon roads) this was also strongly opposed.
The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and pollution by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City for their weekly shop
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Ian Bidwell wrote: > I have been confused for some time by the comments made by local councilors, > and the need for local shops. Lets look at the current situation
> I will class the existing supermarkets in Cambridge City as either Large (or > Hypermarket, standard (or supermarket) and local shops or ones exempt from > Sunday trading laws on size grounds.
> So one can see that the supply of large stores is very sparse North of the > river.
> Now seeing that the local councilors are concerned by a lack of local large > local food stores in the Kite etc you would think that they would be > campaigning for more large stores North of the river, but no
> When a store was proposed by Sainsbury's in the north of Kings Hedges* the > council opposed it (* might have even been outside the city like Tesco > Fulbourn)
> Then a large store was proposed in the University Farm development(between > Madingley and Huntingdon roads) this was also strongly opposed.
> The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and pollution > by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City for their weekly shop
Martin <mv...@remove.cam.ac.uk> writes: > On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Ian Bidwell wrote:
>> I have been confused for some time by the comments made by local councilors, >> and the need for local shops. Lets look at the current situation
>> I will class the existing supermarkets in Cambridge City as either Large (or >> Hypermarket, standard (or supermarket) and local shops or ones exempt from >> Sunday trading laws on size grounds.
I don't see the 'state line' between the City and South Cambs to be relevant. It's not like there's passport control for shops just outside. The fact that Tesco in Fulbourn happens to be in South Cambs won't stop people from Cherry Hinton using it. That adds:
Tesco Milton (hypermarket?) Tesco Fulbourn (h/m) Tesco Bar Hill (ultramarket?)
and inside the City you forgot: Waitrose Trumpington (h/m) Iceland Histon Road (s/m) M&S Beehive (h/m?)
(if the difference between supermarket and hypermarket is selling lots of non-food, all the Tescos do but not Waitrose/Iceland/M&S Simply Food)
If you include Budgens on Cherry Hinton Road then comparable are the Coops on Hills Road and Histon Road.
> > When a store was proposed by Sainsbury's in the north of Kings Hedges* the > > council opposed it (* might have even been outside the city like Tesco > > Fulbourn)
There is already Tesco Milton not far away, it just happens to be the wrong side of the line (and the A14).
> > The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and > > pollution by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City for > > their weekly shop
But balance that against the extra traffic drawn in to the new shop. Trumpington is already gridlocked by Waitrose traffic at peak times (eg the weekend before Christmas). Not many of those people live in the south side of the city - at a guess they're mostly from the villages.
>> Does Milton Tesco not count as being Cambridge?
Not from City council purposes
> I don't see the 'state line' between the City and South Cambs to be > relevant. It's not like there's passport control for shops just outside. > The fact that Tesco in Fulbourn happens to be in South Cambs won't stop > people from Cherry Hinton using it. That adds:
> Tesco Milton (hypermarket?) > Tesco Fulbourn (h/m) > Tesco Bar Hill (ultramarket?)
> and inside the City you forgot: > Waitrose Trumpington (h/m) > Iceland Histon Road (s/m) > M&S Beehive (h/m?)
ITYF Waitrose on my list
Iceland and M&S beehive are not big enough to qualify as a Supermarket
> (if the difference between supermarket and hypermarket is selling lots of > non-food, all the Tescos do but not Waitrose/Iceland/M&S Simply Food)
No the distinction is based on size and therefore choice
> If you include Budgens on Cherry Hinton Road then comparable are the Coops > on Hills Road and Histon Road.
Yes and small enough to be exempt from Sunday trading laws
>> > When a store was proposed by Sainsbury's in the north of Kings Hedges* >> > the >> > council opposed it (* might have even been outside the city like Tesco >> > Fulbourn)
> There is already Tesco Milton not far away, it just happens to be the > wrong > side of the line (and the A14).
>> > The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and >> > pollution by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City for >> > their weekly shop
> But balance that against the extra traffic drawn in to the new shop. > Trumpington is already gridlocked by Waitrose traffic at peak times (eg > the > weekend before Christmas). Not many of those people live in the south > side > of the city - at a guess they're mostly from the villages.
Is this not indicative off the need for more larger supermarkets in the area?
>>> Does Milton Tesco not count as being Cambridge?
> Not from City council purposes
>> I don't see the 'state line' between the City and South Cambs to be >> relevant. It's not like there's passport control for shops just >> outside. >> The fact that Tesco in Fulbourn happens to be in South Cambs won't stop >> people from Cherry Hinton using it. That adds:
>> Tesco Milton (hypermarket?) >> Tesco Fulbourn (h/m) >> Tesco Bar Hill (ultramarket?)
>> and inside the City you forgot: >> Waitrose Trumpington (h/m) >> Iceland Histon Road (s/m) >> M&S Beehive (h/m?)
> ITYF Waitrose on my list
> Iceland and M&S beehive are not big enough to qualify as a Supermarket
>> (if the difference between supermarket and hypermarket is selling lots >> of >> non-food, all the Tescos do but not Waitrose/Iceland/M&S Simply Food)
> No the distinction is based on size and therefore choice
>> If you include Budgens on Cherry Hinton Road then comparable are the >> Coops >> on Hills Road and Histon Road.
> Yes and small enough to be exempt from Sunday trading laws
>>> > When a store was proposed by Sainsbury's in the north of Kings >>> Hedges* > the >>> > council opposed it (* might have even been outside the city like >>> Tesco >>> > Fulbourn)
>> There is already Tesco Milton not far away, it just happens to be the >> wrong >> side of the line (and the A14).
>>> > The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and >>> > pollution by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City >>> for >>> > their weekly shop
>> But balance that against the extra traffic drawn in to the new shop. >> Trumpington is already gridlocked by Waitrose traffic at peak times (eg >> the >> weekend before Christmas). Not many of those people live in the south >> side >> of the city - at a guess they're mostly from the villages.
> Is this not indicative off the need for more larger supermarkets in the > area?
> Ian
Or even conveniently located ones that could compete with Tesco.
> "Theo Markettos" <theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message > news:Liv*odGVs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk... >> Martin <mv...@remove.cam.ac.uk> wrote: >>>> Two north of the river >>> Does Milton Tesco not count as being Cambridge?
> Not from City council purposes
I thought you were asking what the policy was - are you saying you know they have to ignore all supermarkets outside their area of control?
>> "Theo Markettos" <theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message >> news:Liv*odGVs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk... >>> Martin <mv...@remove.cam.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>> Two north of the river >>>> Does Milton Tesco not count as being Cambridge?
>> Not from City council purposes
> I thought you were asking what the policy was - are you saying you know > they have to ignore all supermarkets outside their area of control?
Planning policy for things that "obviously should" cross boundaries does in fact cross boundaries. I spend a lot of my time in meetings which include people from the County and South Cambs, and sometimes further afield. Getting them all to agree on the same policy is not always easy of course.
-- Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb Cambridge City Councillor
Ian Bidwell wrote: > The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and > pollution by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City for > their weekly shop
Of course it is.
You don't expect sanity or joined up thinking do you?
> But balance that against the extra traffic drawn in to the new shop. > Trumpington is already gridlocked by Waitrose traffic at peak times (eg the > weekend before Christmas). Not many of those people live in the south side > of the city - at a guess they're mostly from the villages.
> Theo
Or from the north of the city: it's often quicker for us in Castle to zip out on Madingley Road and down the M11 to Waitrose, than it is to shuffle, alternating between first and second gear, to Tesco on Newmarket Road. We go to Waitrose for special occasions especially. Obviously not the only ones because we spotted people from our neighbourhood in the mayhem that was two days before Christmas last year.
On Nov 9, 1:09 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Ian Bidwell wrote: > > The effect of this on City traffic is to cause more congestion, and > > pollution by forcing shoppers to travel across or outside the City for > > their weekly shop
> Of course it is.
> You don't expect sanity or joined up thinking do you?
> The idea is to get cars out of the town.
> So its free for lycra louts.
> Little things like shopping dont feature.
Yeah right. How wrong you are. I live in in central Cambridge, and don't want to <have> to use my car to go shopping. And I don't wear Lycra when on my bike.
John Lawton <no-reply-j...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Yeah right. > How wrong you are. > I live in in central Cambridge, and don't want to <have> to use my car > to go shopping. > And I don't wear Lycra when on my bike.
And there's nowhere to park in town anyway, so what's the point of having car access to it? It only clogs town with traffic passing through.
Ian Bidwell <i.bidw...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Then a large store was proposed in the University Farm development(between >Madingley and Huntingdon roads) this was also strongly opposed.
I would be extremely keen on such a store; I wonder why it wasn't more publicised and why there wasn't a campaign to promote it. On the whole, the more supermarkets the better, particularly in predominantly residential areas such as that part of town.
Is there going to be a decent-sized supermarket on Orchard Park, and if not why not?
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