that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking the chauffeur.
And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and wanton consumerism damn it.
We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
•Voted moderately against a transparent Parliament - hell yeah - why should they answer to us!!! •Voted strongly for introducing ID cards - the people said NO he says YES say NO say YES - no yes - yes no - woohoo •Voted very strongly against the Iraq war - ok - fair enough •Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war - NO YES YES NO!!! YAYO!!
> •Voted moderately against a transparent Parliament - hell yeah - why > should they answer to us!!! > •Voted strongly for introducing ID cards - the people said NO he says > YES say NO say YES - no yes - yes no - woohoo > •Voted very strongly against the Iraq war - ok - fair enough > •Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war - NO > YES YES NO!!! YAYO!!
> Good times!!
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Grant Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Narky...
> > ;-)
> > Des Turner (no relation)
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, David Pashley <da...@davidpashley.com > >wrote:
> >> On Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49, Grant Turner praised the llamas by saying: > >> > Hi list
> >> > Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the big > smoke > >> > where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
> >> > MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that counts > cos I > >> > still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
> >> It might be a good idea to say which MP you are refering to, so we don't > >> all have to go look it up if we have the same.
> >> -- > >> David Pashley > >> da...@davidpashley.com > >> Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. > >> --
On Jun 18, 2009 at 12:07, Wayne Douglas praised the llamas by saying:
> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a > house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck > wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ > does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those > horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on > that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking > the chauffeur.
Or more likely, they need somewhere to sleep at 2am in the morning when they've finished in the commons and have missed the last train home.
> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at > all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here > in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. > Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make > our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and > wanton consumerism damn it.
You appear to be confusing central government with Brighton and Hove Council.
> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on > this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge > rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
-- David Pashley da...@davidpashley.com Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. --
If my perception of what they do is marred it's because of a lack of transparency and cloak and daggers inherent in their day to day activities.
When I was working in London and had to work late I had to make my own arrangements.
I don't need these egotistical, self satisfied, detached from the real world, martyrs talking on my behalf in this day and age.
I don't profess to know the political system in any way however - my view is this:
They were put there because, back in the day, collecting and analyzing the peoples opinion over mundane day to day things from the whole population would be impossible - they speak on our behalf to make the process work. We can now collate and analyze the voice of the general public with e-democracy - they are basically redundant in my view. If the gov gets what it wants where everyone has access to the Internet - this - to me - makes real sense.
Feel free to correct my view and maybe help me understand where these people will fit into the future of democracy.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:36 PM, David Pashley<da...@davidpashley.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 2009 at 12:07, Wayne Douglas praised the llamas by saying: >> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a >> house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck >> wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ >> does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those >> horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on >> that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking >> the chauffeur.
> Or more likely, they need somewhere to sleep at 2am in the morning when > they've finished in the commons and have missed the last train home.
>> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at >> all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here >> in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. >> Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make >> our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and >> wanton consumerism damn it.
> You appear to be confusing central government with Brighton and Hove > Council.
>> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on >> this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge >> rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
> -- > David Pashley > da...@davidpashley.com > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. > --
Actually, I've just looked at Celia Barlow's expenses for 2005-2006 (Labour MP for Hove and Portslade) - it looks like Celia claimed thousands in bills for buying a home and then decided to change it to a buy-to-let investment and commute instead.
So effectively, the tax payer has subsidised her buy-to-let investment.
> If my perception of what they do is marred it's because of a lack of > transparency and cloak and daggers inherent in their day to day > activities.
> When I was working in London and had to work late I had to make my own > arrangements.
> I don't need these egotistical, self satisfied, detached from the real > world, martyrs talking on my behalf in this day and age.
> I don't profess to know the political system in any way however - my > view is this:
> They were put there because, back in the day, collecting and analyzing > the peoples opinion over mundane day to day things from the whole > population would be impossible - they speak on our behalf to make the > process work. We can now collate and analyze the voice of the general > public with e-democracy - they are basically redundant in my view. If > the gov gets what it wants where everyone has access to the Internet - > this - to me - makes real sense.
> Feel free to correct my view and maybe help me understand where these > people will fit into the future of democracy.
> w://
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:36 PM, David Pashley<da...@davidpashley.com> > wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2009 at 12:07, Wayne Douglas praised the llamas by saying: > >> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a > >> house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck > >> wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ > >> does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those > >> horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on > >> that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking > >> the chauffeur.
> > Or more likely, they need somewhere to sleep at 2am in the morning when > > they've finished in the commons and have missed the last train home.
> >> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at > >> all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here > >> in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. > >> Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make > >> our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and > >> wanton consumerism damn it.
> > You appear to be confusing central government with Brighton and Hove > > Council.
> >> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on > >> this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge > >> rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
> > -- > > David Pashley > > da...@davidpashley.com > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. > > --
Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining the streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were fixed.
Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the same..
They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for example (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been getting away with scams and injustice for 1000's of years..
We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we should do what they say..without question..
This system has been around for far too long.. and like many organisations that have been around for too long, has become complacent.
Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we live in an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more knowledge that would be traditionally kept under wraps is now public domain thanks to email internet, press, radio TV telephone etc..
Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least spread some free-thinking words..
From: Wayne Douglas Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM To: Brighton New Media Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking the chauffeur.
And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and wanton consumerism damn it.
We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
I think a key reason why, in our society, we do not tend to react strongly to an obvious lack of democracy is that we are all kept distracted by the media and, in particular, consumerism.
Now that people are a little less well off and a little more worried about the roof over their heads, they are starting to pay attention to politics again.
I don't blame the rich and powerful (and their admin people - the politicians) for wanting to 'fix' the economy and quick - they're shitting themselves that we will all 'wake up' and overthrow them.
The French people are the most outspoken western democracy in this respect, I believe
> Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining the streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were fixed.
> Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the same..
> They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for example (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been getting away with scams and injustice for 1000's of years..
> We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we should do what they say..without question..
> This system has been around for far too long.. and like many organisations that have been around for too long, has become complacent.
> Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we live in an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more knowledge that would be traditionally kept under wraps is now public domain thanks to email internet, press, radio TV telephone etc..
> Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
> So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least spread some free-thinking words..
> From: Wayne Douglas > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Brighton New Media > Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a > house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck > wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ > does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those > horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on > that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking > the chauffeur.
> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at > all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here > in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. > Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make > our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and > wanton consumerism damn it.
> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on > this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge > rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
> w://
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Grant Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi list
>> Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the big smoke >> where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
>> MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that counts cos I >> still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
In case you are not aware, Brighton resident Simon Willison from the Guardian has developed a croudsourcing application to interpret the 700,000 PDF documents of MPs' expenses and to identify individual claims, or documents that merit further investigation.
Now.. after a victory on a mis-selling of a mac book..
I think I should turn your attention to the fact that we might all have been mis-sold British Government.
25%+++ of our earnings for a democracy. Doesn't appear to do what it says on the tin.
Are we covered? No more ranting now I promise.
From: Joe Aliferis Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:53 PM To: Brighton New Media Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
I agree
I think a key reason why, in our society, we do not tend to react strongly to an obvious lack of democracy is that we are all kept distracted by the media and, in particular, consumerism.
Now that people are a little less well off and a little more worried about the roof over their heads, they are starting to pay attention to politics again.
I don't blame the rich and powerful (and their admin people - the politicians) for wanting to 'fix' the economy and quick - they're shitting themselves that we will all 'wake up' and overthrow them.
The French people are the most outspoken western democracy in this respect, I believe
> Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining the streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were fixed.
> Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the same..
> They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for example (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been getting away with scams and injustice for 1000's of years..
> We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we should do what they say..without question..
> This system has been around for far too long.. and like many organisations that have been around for too long, has become complacent.
> Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we live in an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more knowledge that would be traditionally kept under wraps is now public domain thanks to email internet, press, radio TV telephone etc..
> Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
> So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least spread some free-thinking words..
> From: Wayne Douglas > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Brighton New Media > Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a > house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck > wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ > does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those > horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on > that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking > the chauffeur.
> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at > all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here > in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. > Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make > our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and > wanton consumerism damn it.
> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on > this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge > rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
> w://
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Grant Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi list
>> Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the big smoke >> where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
>> MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that counts cos I >> still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
On Jun 18, 2009 at 16:53, Joe Aliferis praised the llamas by saying:
> The French people are the most outspoken western democracy in this > respect, I believe
You may want to look up how stable their government has been over the last few hundred years. Since 1794, they've had two empires, two kingdoms and five republics. Not entirely a great way to run a country.
> > Warning: RANT coming up.
> > Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining > > the streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were > > fixed.
> > Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime > > minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the > > same..
You don't vote for any Prime Minister. You vote for an MP. One of those MPs is going to be Prime Minister. If you didn't know that Gordon Brown was the heir-apparent in 2005, you clearly weren't paying attention and have no right to complain now.
-- David Pashley da...@davidpashley.com Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. --
On Jun 18, 2009 at 17:10, David Pashley praised the llamas by saying:
> On Jun 18, 2009 at 16:53, Joe Aliferis praised the llamas by saying:
> > The French people are the most outspoken western democracy in this > > respect, I believe
> You may want to look up how stable their government has been over the > last few hundred years. Since 1794, they've had two empires, two > kingdoms and five republics. Not entirely a great way to run a country.
Oh and I forgot the puppet government. -- David Pashley da...@davidpashley.com Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. --
> In case you are not aware, Brighton resident Simon Willison from the > Guardian has developed a croudsourcing application to interpret the > 700,000 PDF documents of MPs' expenses and to identify individual > claims, or documents that merit further investigation.
So, you revolutionaries who are also beneficiaries of free education that talks quite a lot about heroes like the Tollpuddle Martyrs, Nye Bevan et al (rather than educating us 'not to question'), a social security system that does its best to catch you when you fall, a police force that generally keeps you safe*, bin collection, lit streets, safe and plentiful food, and lots of general Good Things that you get from being lucky enough to not have been born somewhere less fortunate, what and how do you suggest we change? I do hope you all voted at the European election. What's your view on PR - would that help or hinder? Basically, before you make bizarre comparisons with a theocracy that is accused of vote rigging, what are your real, thought out, proper proposals? Or is it just Che t-shirts and banners reading "We're everso cross, because The Telegraph has told us to be"?
PC Help Brighton wrote: > Warning: RANT coming up.
> Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining the streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were fixed.
> Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the same..
> They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for example (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been getting away with scams and injustice for 1000's of years..
> We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we should do what they say..without question..
> This system has been around for far too long.. and like many organisations that have been around for too long, has become complacent.
> Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we live in an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more knowledge that would be traditionally kept under wraps is now public domain thanks to email internet, press, radio TV telephone etc..
> Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
> So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least spread some free-thinking words..
> From: Wayne Douglas > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Brighton New Media > Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a > house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck > wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ > does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those > horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on > that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking > the chauffeur.
> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at > all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here > in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. > Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make > our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and > wanton consumerism damn it.
> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on > this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge > rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
> w://
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Grant Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi list
>> Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the big smoke >> where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
>> MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that counts cos I >> still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
> So, you revolutionaries who are also beneficiaries of free education > that talks quite a lot about heroes like the Tollpuddle Martyrs, Nye > Bevan et al (rather than educating us 'not to question'), a social > security system that does its best to catch you when you fall, a > police > force that generally keeps you safe*, bin collection, lit streets, > safe > and plentiful food, and lots of general Good Things that you get from > being lucky enough to not have been born somewhere less fortunate, > what > and how do you suggest we change? I do hope you all voted at the > European election. What's your view on PR - would that help or hinder? > Basically, before you make bizarre comparisons with a theocracy that > is > accused of vote rigging, what are your real, thought out, proper > proposals? Or is it just Che t-shirts and banners reading "We're > everso > cross, because The Telegraph has told us to be"?
> Tom Dussek
> *Recent events excepted
> PC Help Brighton wrote: >> Warning: RANT coming up.
>> Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are >> lining the streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections >> were fixed.
>> Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our >> prime minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing >> the same..
>> They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for >> example (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been >> getting away with scams and injustice for 1000's of years..
>> We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we >> should do what they say..without question..
>> This system has been around for far too long.. and like many >> organisations that have been around for too long, has become >> complacent.
>> Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we >> live in an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more >> knowledge that would be traditionally kept under wraps is now >> public domain thanks to email internet, press, radio TV telephone >> etc..
>> Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
>> So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least >> spread some free-thinking words..
>> From: Wayne Douglas >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM >> To: Brighton New Media >> Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
>> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a >> house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck >> wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ >> does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those >> horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on >> that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and >> sacking >> the chauffeur.
>> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at >> all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here >> in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. >> Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make >> our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and >> wanton consumerism damn it.
>> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry >> on >> this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert >> huge >> rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
>> w://
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Grant >> Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi list
>>> Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the >>> big smoke >>> where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
>>> MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that >>> counts cos I >>> still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
> You may want to look up how stable their government has been over the > last few hundred years. Since 1794, they've had two empires, two > kingdoms and five republics. Not entirely a great way to run a > country.
If you think we're changed any less, I suggest you study history*. I am, of course, impressed by your wikipedia skills nonetheless! You wield the sword of Googled facts clumsily, though. France's government has probably displayed the most progressive political Darwinism imaginable over the course of time, mostly due to its people's refusal to lie down and be shit all over (which, when compared to us, makes us look like a moronic island of political scat fetishists). It's quite admirable.
> You don't vote for any Prime Minister. You vote for an MP. One of > those > MPs is going to be Prime Minister. If you didn't know that Gordon > Brown > was the heir-apparent in 2005, you clearly weren't paying attention > and > have no right to complain now.
If you don't think that the figurehead and leadership of your MPs political party is key and relevant to your voting then you really are a mug, but I may be misunderstanding what you're suggesting.
Anyway, sorry, saucer of milk, table two n' all that... but if you're going to try and out-smug everyone on the list in nearly every thread, at least get your facts right, and your opinions a bit more logically though through. I get really bothered by people who tell other people their opinions are irrelevant if they're not an expert on a subject, then insist that they're an expert on every single thing they can look up online.
C 'I've not normally got this much free time' B
*I did, before you ask, and covered at least two of the republics, one empire and the puppet government in some depth. --
Should we then vote for Harry Brignal? After his win with the Mac Pro. He is also meant to be a some kind of specialist at understanding peoples needs. Seams to be the right sort of qualification for a Peoples MP. James
2009/6/18 PC Help Brighton <pchelp...@hotmail.com>
> Now.. after a victory on a mis-selling of a mac book..
> I think I should turn your attention to the fact that we might all have > been mis-sold British Government.
> 25%+++ of our earnings for a democracy. Doesn't appear to do what it says > on the tin.
> Are we covered? No more ranting now I promise.
> From: Joe Aliferis > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:53 PM > To: Brighton New Media > Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
> I agree
> I think a key reason why, in our society, we do not tend to react > strongly to an obvious lack of democracy is that we are all kept > distracted by the media and, in particular, consumerism.
> Now that people are a little less well off and a little more worried > about the roof over their heads, they are starting to pay attention to > politics again.
> I don't blame the rich and powerful (and their admin people - the > politicians) for wanting to 'fix' the economy and quick - they're > shitting themselves that we will all 'wake up' and overthrow them.
> The French people are the most outspoken western democracy in this > respect, I believe
> Joe
> > Warning: RANT coming up.
> > Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining the > streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were fixed.
> > Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime > minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the same..
> > They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for example > (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been getting away with > scams and injustice for 1000's of years..
> > We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we should > do what they say..without question..
> > This system has been around for far too long.. and like many > organisations that have been around for too long, has become complacent.
> > Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we live in > an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more knowledge that > would be traditionally kept under wraps is now public domain thanks to email > internet, press, radio TV telephone etc..
> > Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
> > So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least spread > some free-thinking words..
> > From: Wayne Douglas > > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: Brighton New Media > > Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
> > that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a > > house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck > > wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ > > does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those > > horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on > > that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking > > the chauffeur.
> > And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at > > all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here > > in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. > > Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make > > our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and > > wanton consumerism damn it.
> > We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on > > this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge > > rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
> > w://
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Grant Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >> Hi list
> >> Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the big > smoke > >> where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
> >> MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that counts cos > I > >> still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
James Page wrote: > Should we then vote for Harry Brignal? After his win with the Mac Pro. He is > also meant to be a some kind of specialist at understanding peoples needs. > Seams to be the right sort of qualification for a Peoples MP. > James
> 2009/6/18 PC Help Brighton <pchelp...@hotmail.com>
>> Now.. after a victory on a mis-selling of a mac book..
>> I think I should turn your attention to the fact that we might all have >> been mis-sold British Government.
>> 25%+++ of our earnings for a democracy. Doesn't appear to do what it says >> on the tin.
>> Are we covered? No more ranting now I promise.
>> From: Joe Aliferis >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:53 PM >> To: Brighton New Media >> Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
>> I agree
>> I think a key reason why, in our society, we do not tend to react >> strongly to an obvious lack of democracy is that we are all kept >> distracted by the media and, in particular, consumerism.
>> Now that people are a little less well off and a little more worried >> about the roof over their heads, they are starting to pay attention to >> politics again.
>> I don't blame the rich and powerful (and their admin people - the >> politicians) for wanting to 'fix' the economy and quick - they're >> shitting themselves that we will all 'wake up' and overthrow them.
>> The French people are the most outspoken western democracy in this >> respect, I believe
>> Joe
>>> Warning: RANT coming up.
>>> Who wants to join me in a civil war? The subdued Iranians are lining the >> streets of Tehran, because they reckon their elections were fixed. >>> Hang on a minute.. Did anyone actually remember voting for our prime >> minister either? voting for our MP's? Shouldn't we be doing the same.. >>> They literally get away with murder.. illegal wars in Iraq for example >> (costing us (the tax payer) Billions).. and they have been getting away with >> scams and injustice for 1000's of years.. >>> We are born into this system of Government and 'educated' that we should >> do what they say..without question.. >>> This system has been around for far too long.. and like many >> organisations that have been around for too long, has become complacent. >>> Mr. Brown and his chums are starting to face the reality that we live in >> an information age. Knowledge is power.. and more and more knowledge that >> would be traditionally kept under wraps is now public domain thanks to email >> internet, press, radio TV telephone etc.. >>> Now the truth seems to be coming out, slowly but surely..
>>> So put on your Che t-shirts and lets form an army! or at least spread >> some free-thinking words..
>>> From: Wayne Douglas >>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:07 PM >>> To: Brighton New Media >>> Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Who's MP is the most expensive?
>>> that's not bad really - bit of a bargain - I mean - they to have a >>> house in their home town and in landan - because - well who the f*ck >>> wants to do that horrible commute every day? like - no one _actually_ >>> does that do they? and it's not like you'd want to sit on those >>> horrible trains with the hoi polloi anyway. jesus h - next stop on >>> that horrible train of thought is getting in a public taxi and sacking >>> the chauffeur.
>>> And they contribute soooooooo much to society - like - well - look at >>> all the wonderful archetecture that's been opposed and rejected here >>> in Brighton - all of that stiffling opposition isn't easy you know. >>> Someone has to stand up for us serfs up there in the landan and make >>> our voices heard. And they should do it on a breeze of luxury and >>> wanton consumerism damn it.
>>> We should be offering the shirts off our backs to ensure they carry on >>> this amazing work and not run off to europe where they can insert huge >>> rubber fists in places they shouldn't.
>>> w://
>>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Grant Turner<streamau...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> Hi list
>>>> Been a while since I posted - got a new job and moved up to the big >> smoke >>>> where the streets are (apparently) paved with gold.
>>>> MPs expenses are now available online - my Brighton MP (that counts cos >> I >>>> still have my gaff in Brighton) weighs in at £144,164...
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