as i have already said somewhere, i always talk by myself..... but i have to translate into words....to comunicate to others.... and in that way sometimes i quote... in a way that i am sure i could be understood...like a echo of my thoughts....
omjaroo wrote: > Hmmm, more cross-posting from alt.discussion.parrot?
> o > ^
yes... and it looks like there is a contest who shows that have memorized yoga sutras of pantajali or something of buddha or all the "yoga tradition" by G. Feuerstein will win a prize...
the votes are shown in the number of stars from * (lousy memory) to *****(good probability to win some prize)
(which is seen from the google groups....)
------ but, instead of reading those posts i would always prefer to read G. Feuerstein or Patanjali by myself....
> > Hmmm, more cross-posting from alt.discussion.parrot?
> > o > > ^
> yes... > and it looks like there is a contest > who shows that have memorized yoga sutras of pantajali or something of > buddha or all the "yoga tradition" by G. Feuerstein will win a prize...
> the votes are shown in the number of stars from * (lousy memory) to > *****(good probability to win some prize)
> (which is seen from the google groups....)
We should have the opposite contest.
I haven't even read the yoga sutras yet. Never got more than 1/3rd through the Bhagavad Gita. Nearly 1/2 way through the upanishads Never got more than 1/4 of the way through the Dhammapada. Failed miserably at studying abhidharma. Never taken a yoga class...
> > Hmmm, more cross-posting from alt.discussion.parrot?
> > o > > ^
> yes... > and it looks like there is a contest > who shows that have memorized yoga sutras of pantajali or something of > buddha or all the "yoga tradition" by G. Feuerstein will win a prize...
> the votes are shown in the number of stars from * (lousy memory) to > *****(good probability to win some prize)
> (which is seen from the google groups....)
> ------ > but, instead of reading those posts i would always prefer to read G. > Feuerstein or Patanjali by myself....
Oh and I almost forgot "I'm humbler than you are!"
> for instance if you enjoy yourself by reading an Umberto Eco book, > you'll understand it better...
> if you have just read 1/3 Bhagavad Gita, it means you weren't enjoing, > and in consequence wasn't much benefit....
Oh I was, I'm just a bit lazy. I do plan on finishing, but I'm not in a hurry.
The one I have is "The Bhagavad Gita as it is," which has a great deal of commentary. So it's long. The bhagavad Gita itself can probably read in about a day!
> >Hey, what happened to ahimsa? You're one of the people I look to for >>inspiration around here
> Eh, er... Paul?...Paul?... Is that you?... Nice to hear from ya. Bin a > long time...
Self employed, two kids, some days I don't get time to take a dump! There are some threads I would love to get stuck into, but unfortunately I usually have to just make do with lurking :O(. The first thing I do when I switch on my PC is open up alt.yoga, I am here every day.
> Tar-nation, you bin readin them thar books agin, boy!... Well don't cha > know...
I am trying to live it as well. Sure you didn't have a go at the blokes mum or anything, but that was the first time I have read anything derogatory from you. Although it was merely a sarcastic comment, It was *new* for you. No big deal, I was really just saying "hi".
> > > Hey, what happened to ahimsa? You're one of the > > > people I look to for inspiration around here
That seems pretty important to me. Which is why I asked for clarification of your comment. Didn't sound like a completely flippant comment.
Me, I'd like to have a discussion concerning ahimsa and yama/niyama. IMO, not well understood ideas at all. And even more difficult to translate to something you can reasonably expect to attain to in real life.
> > Eh, er... Paul?...Paul?... Is that you?... Nice to hear > > from ya. Bin along time... > The first thing I do when I switch on my PC is open up > alt.yoga, I am here every day.
Me too :-)
> > Tar-nation, you bin readin them thar books agin, > > boy!... Well don't cha know... > I am trying to live it as well. Sure you didn't have a go > at the blokes mum or anything, but that was the first > time I have read anything derogatory from you.
That's what I get for not including a smily face after my comment. It came out sounding sarcastic instead of simply silly.
> Although it was merely a sarcastic comment, It was *new* for you.
This is hardly the first time I have commented on some group members lack of "original" comment. I am on about this all the time really. However as you have observed I am not usually critical. I generally will encourage a writer to post their own comments if the subject interests me. In this case I thought I would make my point in jest.
> No big deal, I was really just saying "hi". Hope your > well mate, in mind and body. :O)
Thanks I appreciate your thought :-) Even feels like years have been lifted from my life so now I can go back to sounding like a middle-aged man instead of a really old one.
omjaroo wrote: > > > > Hey, what happened to ahimsa? You're one of the > > > > people I look to for inspiration around here
> That seems pretty important to me. Which is why I asked for > clarification of your comment. Didn't sound like a completely flippant > comment.
> Me, I'd like to have a discussion concerning ahimsa and yama/niyama. > IMO, not well understood ideas at all. And even more difficult to > translate to something you can reasonably expect to attain to in real > life.
> > > Eh, er... Paul?...Paul?... Is that you?... Nice to hear > > > from ya. Bin along time...
> > The first thing I do when I switch on my PC is open up > > alt.yoga, I am here every day.
> Me too :-)
> > > Tar-nation, you bin readin them thar books agin, > > > boy!... Well don't cha know...
> > I am trying to live it as well. Sure you didn't have a go > > at the blokes mum or anything, but that was the first > > time I have read anything derogatory from you.
> That's what I get for not including a smily face after my comment. It > came out sounding sarcastic instead of simply silly.
> > Although it was merely a sarcastic comment, It was *new* for you.
> This is hardly the first time I have commented on some group members > lack of "original" comment. I am on about this all the time really. > However as you have observed I am not usually critical. I generally > will encourage a writer to post their own comments if the subject > interests me. In this case I thought I would make my point in jest.
> > No big deal, I was really just saying "hi". Hope your > > well mate, in mind and body. :O)
> Thanks I appreciate your thought :-) Even feels like years have been > lifted from my life so now I can go back to sounding like a middle-aged > man instead of a really old one.
> > Paul
> Jared > o > ^
Hi my ideia is not to quote, but to inspire... Here's a link of, where's a comparision of some comentaries:
Because I was interested in what you had to say below I followed the links above and quickly reviewed them. They look very much like a lot of other citations w/commentary of the yoga sutras. If I was studying them I might be interested in exploring them further. I have, however at this time I am not. I am though interested in your personal synthesis; your experience; your process. These things I find affirming, helpful and inspiring. And these things we can have a conversation about, like two regular people. We can ask and answer questions, relate stories, share successes and failures, etc. If I am honest and contain my comments to things I know about, which is me and my experience strength and hope and you (or anyone in general) do the same, then there will never be cause for contention, argument or resentment. Comparison and contrast, yes. These are interesting for all concerned and of immeasurable value; the very cornerstone of the scientific method (I see yoga as a science for discovering Truth) and a way for us to measure our relationship to our goal.
>now, my point of view about the subject. >to begin with... >yoga sutras are explained as an evolution of the yogi, step by step.... >yama and nyama and so on begin YS 2.29 >before 2.29 the yogi reaches enlightment... >IMO: yamas and nyamas are something that comes naturally....after >enlightment...
I would say the value of yamas and nyamas naturally become clear upon enlightenment. However it has been my experience that they are anything but natural or easy to live with :-( Hence the purpose of my pursuit of yoga. Perhaps at some moment of cosmic consciousness (transcendence) yama/nyama become automatic or more likely irrelevant.
I always see those guys (Patanjali included) as someone that live some kind of artificial lives. Living inside an ashram will never be life, as it is. I would never be compared with them... i live in the middle of the jungle...fighting for survival.... So, When i see principles like ahimsa, truth and honesty... How coul i deal with it? If i was living inside an ashram (an easy laboratory...) it would be easy.... Now, Living in the middle of the jungle, i found myself many times fighting a paradox: to choose between ahimsa, on one side, and truth and honesty on the other side....(180º dgres apart) under this perspective i always go for truth and honesty.... stil under this perspective ahimsa (as stated by many yoga teachers) stands for cowardness and hypocrisis (considering the situations i had to pass through...) but there are many types of ahimsa. it depends on how we see it... it could be possible that fighting a war, could be called ahimsa? from my new perspective yes.... but fighting in a way, just to remove blockages, no more that that. just enough to reach truth, honestly....
---- now i read that type of books? i don't read it studying it, pretending to somewaht memorize....never... i pick some ideas, compare diferent perspectives, and reflect on them, together with the way i live... just to reach some sense of awareness... -----
I agree with you and I think I understand your point but there are some things which are not clear to me.
Are you using the term jungle, literally as in a place with lots of plants, animals and bugs? Or are you using the word jungle figuratively as in life is a jungle; urban jungle, etc.
Are you in a war zone or are your references to war and fighting hypothetical?
> I agree with you and I think I understand your point but there are some > things which are not clear to me.
> Are you using the term jungle, literally as in a place with lots of > plants, animals and bugs? Or are you using the word jungle figuratively > as in life is a jungle; urban jungle, etc.
> Are you in a war zone or are your references to war and fighting > hypothetical?
> o > ^
lol...
jungle = figuratively, urban
war= not a "bloody war" , hypothetical or verbal war or paper war...
(i work in finance....)
although, my ancestors from 2 centurys ago fought real bloody wars....the last one was a napolionic one...
but let's say this is the type war i use to fight...
suppose you were inside something like this. would you fight for the truth and honesty or would you be a "yes,man.." (the fake ahimsa, i was talking about?)
I understand. Thanks for the 411. (that's the telephone number for information here in the states)
I once managed a corporate finance department for a brokerage firm. The firm is now closed and the owner is currently cooling his heels in prison for the better part of the next decade. Me? No one interviewed me in any investigation or asked me to testify. That should tell you something. No one on either side wanted me to open my mouth because I always tell the truth :-)
On the other hand I don't have a job nor do I have millions stashed, waiting for me in the Caymans :-( Life's full of trades, eh? From the point of view of the soul I think I got the better deal...
I believe that yama/niyama cannot be successfully applied if understood in terms of reacting to an exterior environment. Yama/niyama is intended to sculpt an individual’s interior/internal landscape. It is always a personal decision with force and effect on the individual making it. Yama/niyama is never meant for public consumption, presentation or approval. That is simply hypocrisy. It can not matter what is happening on the outside of a person practicing yama/niyama, what is meaningful is what is happening inside. It in never they or them we are fighting (as in war, figuratively or literally) it is I, me, myself (or Yoga) with whom I am in conflict. It was this realization that lead me to drop the study and practice of kung fu and take up yoga. Even though this same process can be mastered in marshal arts as well, I just am not that big on causing pain and injury to others so my disposition is more appropriate to yoga :-)
omjaroo wrote: > I understand. Thanks for the 411. (that's the telephone number for > information here in the states)
> I once managed a corporate finance department for a brokerage firm. The > firm is now closed and the owner is currently cooling his heels in > prison for the better part of the next decade. Me? No one interviewed > me in any investigation or asked me to testify. That should tell you > something. No one on either side wanted me to open my mouth because I > always tell the truth :-)
> On the other hand I don't have a job nor do I have millions stashed, > waiting for me in the Caymans :-( Life's full of trades, eh? From the > point of view of the soul I think I got the better deal...
> I believe that yama/niyama cannot be successfully applied if understood > in terms of reacting to an exterior environment. Yama/niyama is > intended to sculpt an individual?s interior/internal landscape. It is > always a personal decision with force and effect on the individual > making it. Yama/niyama is never meant for public consumption, > presentation or approval. That is simply hypocrisy. It can not matter > what is happening on the outside of a person practicing yama/niyama, > what is meaningful is what is happening inside. It in never they or > them we are fighting (as in war, figuratively or literally) it is I, > me, myself (or Yoga) with whom I am in conflict. It was this > realization that lead me to drop the study and practice of kung fu and > take up yoga. Even though this same process can be mastered in marshal > arts as well, I just am not that big on causing pain and injury to > others so my disposition is more appropriate to yoga :-)
> O > ^
i work in finance, more exactly management control.. i should be controlling managers, whenever they want to be controlled... i was in duty with the key infomation, and i have a special skill to find information....(the inquiry i was talking about...). the war wasn´t mine, but i was the weapon / messenger they needed to fight against themselves... as in any war there is always someone that is trying to kill the messenger... and i'm still suffering the consequences....
but at least i don't feel like a coward... and i think, like you do, that my soul received a better treatment...with so much inquirying (not necessarily, "who am I?" but "who are them?") i became more aware....
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