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  <title type="text">alt.usage.english Google Group</title>
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  English grammar, word usages, and related topics.
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  <updated>2009-11-08T12:14:55Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Peter Duncanson (BrE)</name>
  <email>m...@peterduncanson.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T12:14:55Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Nonview</title>
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  Yes. &lt;br&gt; The review might be using a term taken from the technical description of &lt;br&gt; the amplifier. The description might having translated from, for &lt;br&gt; instance, a Chinese original by a non-native English speaker.
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  <author>
  <name>Peter Duncanson (BrE)</name>
  <email>m...@peterduncanson.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:58:52Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Ishiguro: to heave over</title>
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  On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:09:01 -0800 (PST), Marius Hancu &lt;br&gt; The desks were &amp;quot;toppled&amp;quot;. They were not lifted completely off the &lt;br&gt; ground. However, to topple an object it is necessary for one side to be &lt;br&gt; lifted clear of the ground and raised so that the object pivots round &lt;br&gt; the part still touching the ground. So &amp;quot;heaving over&amp;quot; an object of the
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  <author>
  <name>Marius Hancu</name>
  <email>marius.ha...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:58:19Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Ishiguro: to sort things</title>
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  OK.
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  <author>
  <name>Peter Duncanson (BrE)</name>
  <email>m...@peterduncanson.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:43:11Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: correcting my son&#39;s grammar?</title>
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  On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:56:19 +0100, James Hogg &amp;lt;Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; The etymology in the OED : &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt; Chinese Pidgin English &amp;quot;pidgin&amp;quot; business &amp;lt; English BUSINESS n. &lt;br&gt; Numerous 19th-cent. sources give this etymology; compare &lt;br&gt; 1845 J. R. PETERS Misc. Remarks upon Chinese vii. 73 Pidgeon, is
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  <author>
  <name>Nick Spalding</name>
  <email>spald...@iol.ie</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:39:00Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Ishiguro: to sort things</title>
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  Marius Hancu wrote, in &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;721e2cfa-35c4-4a26-9f41-74a73 fd8c...@15g2000yqy.googlegroup s.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:32:10 -0800 (PST): &lt;br&gt; It seems to have become so.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Marius Hancu</name>
  <email>marius.ha...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:32:10Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Ishiguro: to sort things</title>
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  Hello: &lt;br&gt; Not using &amp;quot;out&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;to sort things (out)&amp;quot; here is a bit surprising &lt;br&gt; to me, and the author does it repeatedly. Accepted BrE idiom? &lt;br&gt; ---- &lt;br&gt; [Young girls, friends and rivals at the same time] &lt;br&gt; Little things like these might well have pleased Ruth, but they were &lt;br&gt; still far removed from what had actually happened between us under the
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  <author>
  <name>Peter Moylan</name>
  <email>pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:30:48Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: the verb to describe the sound of frog</title>
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  Clearly we still have a lot to learn about the migratory habits of frogs.
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  <author>
  <name>Marius Hancu</name>
  <email>marius.ha...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:09:01Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Ishiguro: to heave over</title>
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  No _lifting_ (from the ground) involved, just knocking them to a side?
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  <name>Nick</name>
  <email>3-nos...@temporary-address.org.uk</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T11:02:51Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Ishiguro: the place to hide out with our best friends</title>
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  If you&#39;d asked, I&#39;ve said &amp;quot;hide out&amp;quot; felt slightly AmE. But I think it &lt;br&gt; conflates &amp;quot;hang out&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;hide&amp;quot; - so you&#39;re spending time with them, and &lt;br&gt; being hidden at the same time.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Marius Hancu</name>
  <email>marius.ha...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T10:59:46Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Ishiguro: the place to hide out with our best friends</title>
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  Hello: &lt;br&gt; BrE: &lt;br&gt; Do you feel &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;the place to hide out with our best friends&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; any different from &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;the place to hide with our best friends?&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; At Google Books, &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;a place to hide with&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; dominates &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;a place to hide out with&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; by far. &lt;br&gt; --- &lt;br&gt; [...] the pavilion had become the place to hide out with our best &lt;br&gt; friends when you wanted to get away from the rest at Hailsham.
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  <author>
  <name>Nick Spalding</name>
  <email>spald...@iol.ie</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T10:48:00Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Ishiguro: how desperately he didn&#39;t want reminded</title>
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  Marius Hancu wrote, in &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;632aed6d-20c6-42ef-8655-0f1ef 2c11...@o10g2000yqa.googlegrou ps.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:45:45 -0800 (PST): &lt;br&gt; Not at all, I think it&#39;s awful! If it were &#39;reminding&#39; it would be &lt;br&gt; passable.
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  <author>
  <name>Steve Hayes</name>
  <email>hayesm...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T10:52:49Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/4654d87745ff10b7/32848ac705deac5a?show_docid=32848ac705deac5a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: the verb to describe the sound of frog</title>
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  I think South African frogs speak with a Russian accent rather than a Greek or &lt;br&gt; American one.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Marius Hancu</name>
  <email>marius.ha...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-08T10:45:45Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Ishiguro: how desperately he didn&#39;t want reminded</title>
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  Hello: &lt;br&gt; This &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;how desperately he didn&#39;t want reminded&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; seems to be an ellipsis from &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;how desperately he didn&#39;t want _to be_ reminded?&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; Do you feel, in BrE, comfortable about it? &lt;br&gt; --- &lt;br&gt; [Hailsham is seen by some patients here as an idyllic place.] &lt;br&gt; ... I asked where _he&#39;d_ grown up, he mentioned some place in Dorset
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  <author>
  <name>the Omrud</name>
  <email>usenet.om...@gexpungemail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T10:01:53Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Nouns and adjectives in chess</title>
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  It&#39;s a pity those scarlet-tusked elephants died out.
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  <author>
  <name>the Omrud</name>
  <email>usenet.om...@gexpungemail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-08T10:00:20Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: I wonder: Question or a statement?</title>
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  That&#39;s probably quite true?
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