>>>>>General observations about Brazilian food: they have real cheese >>>>>(local pizza place was an eye-opener), exotic fruit, and the best meat >>>>>anywhere (I'm 90% vegetarian, but ate more meat during two weeks than >>>>>I usually have in a year).
>>>>I was under the impression, although I've never been in South America, >>>>that Argentinean beef is generally considered to be the best in the >>>>world.
>>>I'm under a similarly untested impression that Kobe beef is the greatest....
>>>(Had heard good things about the Canadian stuff too, but when I got a chance to >>>try it I was disappointed...corn-fed tastes funny when you're used to >>>grass-fed)....r
>>Grass-fed beef is as tough as a cob, IMO. Why many Europeans prefer it >>to American corn-fed beef is a wonderment to me.
>I can't say that I've ever seen American beef on sale in this country. >WIWAL the best beef came from Argentina, but I think we fell out with >them some time before we had that squabble about some islands.
I think the "falling out" resulted from the UK joining the EU (EEC as it was at the time). Preference was given to European grown food. New Zealand's agri-exports to the UK suffered for the same reason.
I don't know what the percentage was, but English families and businesses operated ranches in Argentina. And according to this webpage: http://www1.american.edu/ted/argbeef.htm
After the 1880's, free-range cattle raising was replaced in part by fenced-in cattle ranching. About this time, high-grade beef cattle breeds were introduced. The construction of railways by foreign, mainly English, investors made it possible to ship stock and crops to markets and ports. Refrigerating plants and refrigerator ships permitted the meat to be exported.
In the late 1950s I met (in the Royal Air Force) the son of an English rancher in Argentina. He was intending to head there himself.
James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote: > Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > > James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
> >> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All > >> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
> > Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The _Yale > > Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, when he > > died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it in the > > longish article.)
The date is 7 July, not 6 June. It's there, quite late in the story:
He loved all forms of music. When asked what he thought of the country-and-Western and folk music so favored by the young, he replied, "Pops, music is music. All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
However, I see the same line, unattributed, in a Google Books "snippet" of "The Broadside of Boston." It is undated, but it seems to be a folk music journal published from about 1963 to 1965, the height of the Folk Revival:
There have always been a few people who have struggled for some sort of definition. ("Tell me, Blind Whatsis, what is folk music?" -- "Why, Mr.Turtle, all music is folk music. I never heerd no horse sing, did you?")
Maybe Armstrong had been using this line for years. Or maybe others had.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:15:32 -0800, R H Draney wrote: > Roland Hutchinson filted:
>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:42:50 +0000, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>>> I recall discussions with coworkers many years ago on the >>> diffferences, if any, between a Programmer Analyst and an Analyst >>> Programmer. This was in prehistoric times: BA (Before AUE).
>>> The details may be in my memory but are not rushing to draw attention >>> to themselves.
>>Piece of cake: A Programmer Analyst sits at the head of a >>Victorian-style couch and offers a talking cure to those who Have Been >>Hacking Too Long, while an Analyst Programmer is, clearly, the chap or >>chapess who is in charge of programming the Analysts.
>>An Analyist Deprogrammer, on the other hand is one who converts, say, >>Freudians into Rogerians, or Jungians into behaviorists.
> On the personnel profile we got each year, along with a history of our > last five salary changes, my title was listed as "SR PROG ANAL"....r
If you advance to SR PROG PHAL do you get a pay rise?
-- Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
<kirshenb...@hpl.hp.com> wrote: > Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> writes:
> > Chuck Riggs wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:41:10 GMT, "Django Cat" <notar...@address.com> > >> wrote:
> >>> tony cooper wrote:
> >>>> I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice > >>>> on what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. > >>>> However, I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, > >>>> buy it" school. She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be > >>>> something better around the next corner" school. She simply does > >>>> not understand buying the first thing seen that works, but she > >>>> will often circle back and buy that very thing. > >>> Word is they enjoy that kind of thing. > >> They wouldn't be women if they didn't.
> > They certainly wouldn't be men if they did.
> Yeah, when buying cars, electronics, computers, gadgets, etc., men > universally just buy the first thing they like that works. Right.
For a big ticket item like a car I am likely to go price shopping, which has caused me to return to a dealership to accept their offer.
-- John Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
t...@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) writes: > James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >> > James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>> >> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All >> >> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
>> > Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The _Yale >> > Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, when he >> > died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it in the >> > longish article.)
> The date is 7 July, not 6 June. It's there, quite late in the story:
Sorry. Typo.
> He loved all forms of music. When asked what he thought of the > country-and-Western and folk music so favored by the young, he > replied, "Pops, music is music. All music is folk music. I > ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
Ah. There it is. Thanks.
> However, I see the same line, unattributed, in a Google Books > "snippet" of "The Broadside of Boston." It is undated, but it seems > to be a folk music journal published from about 1963 to 1965, the > height of the Folk Revival:
> There have always been a few people who have struggled for some > sort of definition. ("Tell me, Blind Whatsis, what is folk > music?" -- "Why, Mr.Turtle, all music is folk music. I never > heerd no horse sing, did you?")
Okay, that one is on-topic enough for the journal and the journal was short-lived enough ('62 to '67, apparently) that it might be worth trusting both the title and the date. I've seen enough cases with viewable books where the records are screwed up and the title goes with the beginning, but it switches to a completely different book later on, that I've essentially stopped even bothering to look at snippets, and there are enough problems with dates that I pretty much don't trust any of them unless I can either see internal or external corroboration.
> Maybe Armstrong had been using this line for years. Or maybe others > had.
Quite likely.
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> I can't say that I've ever seen American beef on sale in this country. > WIWAL the best beef came from Argentina, but I think we fell out with > them some time before we had that squabble about some islands.
"The British ate the Argentine railways in the form of beef."
(A comment I read somewhere on the British economy in the years after WW2.) -- Mark Brader And now write us Toronto A devious quasipoem! m...@vex.net --Richard Heathfield
>>>>>General observations about Brazilian food: they have real cheese >>>>>(local pizza place was an eye-opener), exotic fruit, and the best meat >>>>>anywhere (I'm 90% vegetarian, but ate more meat during two weeks than >>>>>I usually have in a year).
>>>>I was under the impression, although I've never been in South America, >>>>that Argentinean beef is generally considered to be the best in the >>>>world.
>>>I'm under a similarly untested impression that Kobe beef is the greatest....
>>>(Had heard good things about the Canadian stuff too, but when I got a chance to >>>try it I was disappointed...corn-fed tastes funny when you're used to >>>grass-fed)....r
>>Grass-fed beef is as tough as a cob, IMO. Why many Europeans prefer it >>to American corn-fed beef is a wonderment to me.
>I can't say that I've ever seen American beef on sale in this country. >WIWAL the best beef came from Argentina, but I think we fell out with >them some time before we had that squabble about some islands.
Falkin-A. --
Regards,
Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
>Chuck Riggs wrote: >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:35:39 -0500, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca> >> wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes wrote: >>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:59:07 -0000, "Mike Lyle" >>>> <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of >>>>> animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food >>>>> trade,
>>>> I'm rather partial to animal-bottom (aka rump) steak.
>>> A faux commercial from the Newfoundland comedy troupe Codco that >>> has stayed with me features Greg Malone staring into the camera and >>> intoning "Any food can cause Bad Breath, even the rectal tissue of >>> cows, or 'bologna', as you know it."
>> My best laugh of the day. Thank you.
>It's not on YouTube, but there're three pages of other Codco skits. >They're very Irish, and their humour can be dark. Greg Malone is Mr >Crumble's angel of mercy in this one: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnDrVeN3jEs&NR=1
I'd watch it, but the audio on this computer ist kaputt.
ObAUE: When incorporating that common German expression into English text, I suppose "ist kaput" or, perhaps, "is kaput" would be preferable to "ist kaputt", even if that is, I believe, the correct version in the German language. --
Regards,
Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
We don't have "rump steaks", but our "rump roast" is the portion the tail attaches to.
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> >>>General observations about Brazilian food: they have real cheese > >>>(local pizza place was an eye-opener), exotic fruit, and the best meat > >>>anywhere (I'm 90% vegetarian, but ate more meat during two weeks than > >>>I usually have in a year).
> >>I was under the impression, although I've never been in South America, > >>that Argentinean beef is generally considered to be the best in the > >>world.
> >I'm under a similarly untested impression that Kobe beef is the greatest....
> >(Had heard good things about the Canadian stuff too, but when I got a chance to > >try it I was disappointed...corn-fed tastes funny when you're used to > >grass-fed)....r
> Grass-fed beef is as tough as a cob, IMO. Why many Europeans prefer it > to American corn-fed beef is a wonderment to me. > --
> Regards,
> Chuck Riggs, > An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
Much more taste
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada who was raised on grass-fed Canadian beef.
> the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes: > > Richard Chambers wrote:
> >> We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to > >> Einstein, often on subjects where he had offered no opinion > >> whatsoever. The suspicion here is that a promoter with an axe to > >> grind attributes his own words to Einstein, hoping that if he can > >> persuade the public that Einstein said it, then the proposition > >> must be both very clever and very true.
> > Which reminds me that Disney has been forced to offer refunds for a > > DVD product aimed at toddlers, entitled "Baby Einstein". It was > > marketed as a way of turning your sprog into a genius but it's been > > thoroughly disproved, and indeed shown to be counter productive. > > The less TV/video small children watch, the better.
> I buy the first claim, but I have grave doubts about the second, and > the synopses of the studies in the article didn't do much to ausage > them. I suspect that more of the effects they saw have to do with > other things that correlate with kids who get put in front of TV > sets.
John Kane <jrkrid...@gmail.com> writes: > On Nov 6, 6:10 pm, Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenb...@hpl.hp.com> wrote: >> the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes: >> > Which reminds me that Disney has been forced to offer refunds for >> > a DVD product aimed at toddlers, entitled "Baby Einstein". It >> > was marketed as a way of turning your sprog into a genius but >> > it's been thoroughly disproved, and indeed shown to be counter >> > productive. The less TV/video small children watch, the better.
>> I buy the first claim, but I have grave doubts about the second, >> and the synopses of the studies in the article didn't do much to >> ausage them. I suspect that more of the effects they saw have to >> do with other things that correlate with kids who get put in front >> of TV sets.
That is an interesting survey, although in skimming it I didn't see anything really addressing my concerns, although they may be there in the individual studies, of which many were referenced. But that didn't address the notion that Disney was forced to offer refunds for "Baby Einstein" because it was "shown to be counter productive".
Looking at the Wikipedia page for "Baby Einstein", and the quotes from the study on "baby DVDs/videos" in general, I see things like "some suggestion of harm", "We don't know for sure that baby DVDs and videos are harmful, but the best policy is saftey first", "may in fact be harmful", and "not a direct test of the developmental impact of viewing baby DVDs/videos". The ones pushing for a recall saw the refund offer as "an acknowledgment ... that baby videos are not educational". As I said, I can well believe that they don't help, but I doubt that they harm much other than, in the specific case of language development, by being used as a substitute for other things (which may include other videos) that include talking and descriptions of what the child is seeing.
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>>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >>>> James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>>>>> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All >>>>> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
>>>> Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The >>>> _Yale Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, >>>> when he died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it >>>> in the longish article.)
>> The date is 7 July, not 6 June. It's there, quite late in the story:
> Sorry. Typo.
>> He loved all forms of music. When asked what he thought of the >> country-and-Western and folk music so favored by the young, he >> replied, "Pops, music is music. All music is folk music. I >> ain't never heard no horse sing a song."
> Ah. There it is. Thanks.
>> However, I see the same line, unattributed, in a Google Books >> "snippet" of "The Broadside of Boston." It is undated, but it seems >> to be a folk music journal published from about 1963 to 1965, the >> height of the Folk Revival:
>> There have always been a few people who have struggled for some >> sort of definition. ("Tell me, Blind Whatsis, what is folk >> music?" -- "Why, Mr.Turtle, all music is folk music. I never >> heerd no horse sing, did you?")
> Okay, that one is on-topic enough for the journal and the journal was > short-lived enough ('62 to '67, apparently) that it might be worth > trusting both the title and the date. I've seen enough cases with > viewable books where the records are screwed up and the title goes > with the beginning, but it switches to a completely different book > later on, that I've essentially stopped even bothering to look at > snippets, and there are enough problems with dates that I pretty much > don't trust any of them unless I can either see internal or external > corroboration.
>> Maybe Armstrong had been using this line for years. Or maybe others >> had.
> Quite likely.
I've got an LP of Big Bill Broonzy and Pete Seeger in concert on which Bill says it. There's no particular reason to assume he'd coined it, though.
>>>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >>>>> James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, >>>>>> "All music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing >>>>>> a song"? >>>>> Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. >>>>> The _Yale Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, >>>>> 6/6/1971, when he died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I >>>>> can't find it in the longish article.) >>> The date is 7 July, not 6 June. It's there, quite late in the >>> story: >> Sorry. Typo.
>>> He loved all forms of music. When asked what he thought of the >>> country-and-Western and folk music so favored by the young, he >>> replied, "Pops, music is music. All music is folk music. I ain't >>> never heard no horse sing a song." >> Ah. There it is. Thanks.
>>> However, I see the same line, unattributed, in a Google Books >>> "snippet" of "The Broadside of Boston." It is undated, but it >>> seems to be a folk music journal published from about 1963 to >>> 1965, the height of the Folk Revival:
>>> There have always been a few people who have struggled for some >>> sort of definition. ("Tell me, Blind Whatsis, what is folk >>> music?" -- "Why, Mr.Turtle, all music is folk music. I never >>> heerd no horse sing, did you?") >> Okay, that one is on-topic enough for the journal and the journal >> was short-lived enough ('62 to '67, apparently) that it might be >> worth trusting both the title and the date. I've seen enough cases >> with viewable books where the records are screwed up and the title >> goes with the beginning, but it switches to a completely different >> book later on, that I've essentially stopped even bothering to look >> at snippets, and there are enough problems with dates that I pretty >> much don't trust any of them unless I can either see internal or >> external corroboration.
>>> Maybe Armstrong had been using this line for years. Or maybe >>> others had. >> Quite likely.
> I've got an LP of Big Bill Broonzy and Pete Seeger in concert on > which Bill says it. There's no particular reason to assume he'd > coined it, though.
It could be based on the saying that all etymology is folk etymology. Who ever heard of a horse tracing word origins?
>>>>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >>>>>> James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All >>>>>>> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"? >>>>>> Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The >>>>>> _Yale Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, >>>>>> when he died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it >>>>>> in the longish article.) >>>> The date is 7 July, not 6 June. It's there, quite late in the story: >>> Sorry. Typo.
>>>> He loved all forms of music. When asked what he thought of the >>>> country-and-Western and folk music so favored by the young, he >>>> replied, "Pops, music is music. All music is folk music. I ain't >>>> never heard no horse sing a song." >>> Ah. There it is. Thanks.
>>>> However, I see the same line, unattributed, in a Google Books >>>> "snippet" of "The Broadside of Boston." It is undated, but it seems >>>> to be a folk music journal published from about 1963 to 1965, the >>>> height of the Folk Revival:
>>>> There have always been a few people who have struggled for some sort >>>> of definition. ("Tell me, Blind Whatsis, what is folk music?" -- >>>> "Why, Mr.Turtle, all music is folk music. I never heerd no horse >>>> sing, did you?") >>> Okay, that one is on-topic enough for the journal and the journal was >>> short-lived enough ('62 to '67, apparently) that it might be worth >>> trusting both the title and the date. I've seen enough cases with >>> viewable books where the records are screwed up and the title goes >>> with the beginning, but it switches to a completely different book >>> later on, that I've essentially stopped even bothering to look at >>> snippets, and there are enough problems with dates that I pretty much >>> don't trust any of them unless I can either see internal or external >>> corroboration.
>>>> Maybe Armstrong had been using this line for years. Or maybe others >>>> had. >>> Quite likely.
>> I've got an LP of Big Bill Broonzy and Pete Seeger in concert on which >> Bill says it. There's no particular reason to assume he'd coined it, >> though.
> It could be based on the saying that all etymology is folk etymology. > Who ever heard of a horse tracing word origins?
Now that would be a horse of a different color.
-- Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba," ... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy. --Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:07:50 +0000, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
<m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: >On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:27:12 +0100, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> >wrote:
>>Who ever heard of a horse tracing word origins?
>Never. The horse would become bored and kick over the traces.
You could lead it to a fountain of knowledge and hope that it hadn't read what horses are supposed to do in that circumstance. -- Robin (BrE) Herts, England
the Omrud wrote: > Robin Bignall wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:50:10 +0000, Chuck Riggs <chri...@eircom.net> >> wrote:
>>> Grass-fed beef is as tough as a cob, IMO. Why many Europeans prefer it >>> to American corn-fed beef is a wonderment to me.
>> I can't say that I've ever seen American beef on sale in this country. >> WIWAL the best beef came from Argentina, but I think we fell out with >> them some time before we had that squabble about some islands.
> Except for corned beef in a tin, which only seems to come from Argentina.
I still buy "Fray Bentos" tinned corned beef because it was a childhood favourite. I remember when it was still imported from Argentina, then for a short while from France, but today it is all produced under licence at home here in Australia. It doesn't taste quite the same - for a start, it has considerably less fat, but it is closer than the French version which had almost no fat at all and very little flavour.
Of course flavour is the answer to Chuck puzzlement too.
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