Nick wrote: > James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
> > They [cinnamon rolls]'re in aisle 37 in the Warrington branch. You > > have to assemble them yourself.
> They're presumably called "bonko" or "fartish" or something rather > than "cinnamon rolls".
You can eat them while reclining on a Boylz armchair and putting your feet up on the Bollicks table. After you've hung your coat on the Bummerang coat hanger - that one I didn't make up.
tony cooper wrote: > I am willing to go clothes shopping with my wife and offer advice on > what looks good on her. She seems to appreciate my advice. However, > I'm of the "If you like it, and it looks good on you, buy it" school. > She's of the "Yes, I like it but there may be something better around > the next corner" school. She simply does not understand buying the > first thing seen that works, but she will often circle back and buy > that very thing.
>> Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about >> something different.
>It's important to warn the innocent traveller that the only sane reason >for trying to eat a British hot dog is imminent death from starvation. >They are ineffable, but I'll have a go at effing them, as follows.
>The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of >animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade, >gently boiled until slimy, then allowed to cool somewhat, is placed >reverently in a squashy roll made a couple of days previously out of a >substance that makes Mother's Pride seem like bread; they do something I >can't quite work out, but unpleasant, to some sliced onions out of a >tin, and put those on top of the sausage-like thing; the diner is then >offered red, brown, and yellow sauces out of plastic squirters, and >relieved of an absurdly large amount of money. There is, of course, no >plate: instead, there is a square of tracing-paper rather shorter than >the completed delicacy. Salad, you say? What on earth for?
Did you happen to catch "Britain's Really Disgusting Food" earlier this week?...it's being offered as a free download on a bit torrent I use; doesn't count against my "down" quota but will boost my upload ratio if I grab it and then seed it back...the description of the first episode, entitled "Meat", sounded vaguely entertaining but I wonder if it's too Pondial to be of real interest here....r
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> Ah, time was we had the choice of an hours drive to Warrington IKEA > (West) or an hours drive to Leeds IKEA (North East). Now we have our > very own IKEA in Ashton-under-Lyne (of Bill Sowerbutts fame).
Five or six years ago, I had to go to Nykoping, Sweden on business. The conversation lightened up a bit during our lunch break, and the subject came round to the Swedish sense of humour. Contrary to widespread and uninformed opinion in Great Britain, they assured me, Swedes do have a strong sense of humour. At that time, most of the jokes in circulation were about innocents visiting IKEA on a shopping expedition expecting to buy some furniture, or about what happened when they took their goods home and tried to follow the assembly instructions. They also had a good range of jokes covering the life and work of Sven Goran Ericsson[1]. The Swedish tabloid newspapers followed his progress in Britain with undying interest, my colleagues informed me, and regaled their readers with a new Sven story almost every other day.
[1] For the benefit of any reader who is not either British or Swedish: Sven Goran Ericsson is a Swede who was appointed Manager of the England Football Team in the late 1990s. There were also quite a few stories (including at least one really juicy scandal) about him in the British tabloid press during his tenure of the post, which lasted about five years.
My spellchecker informs me that his middle name should have been spelled "Groan" and that his surname should have been "Rescission". I had to look this latter word up in the dictionary, but then concluded that the spellchecker was being a little harsh. He wasn't really all that bad, just a touch unlucky in his last big game.
>> Ugh, now I shall have Stuck Smell Syndrome if I don't think about >> something different.
> It's important to warn the innocent traveller that the only sane > reason for trying to eat a British hot dog is imminent death from > starvation. They are ineffable, but I'll have a go at effing them, > as follows. > The cheapest imaginable imitation frankfurter*, concocted out of > animals' bottoms and other tissue superfluous to the dog-food trade, > gently boiled until slimy, then allowed to cool somewhat, is placed > reverently in a squashy roll made a couple of days previously out > of a substance that makes Mother's Pride seem like bread; they do > something I can't quite work out, but unpleasant, to some sliced > onions out of a tin, and put those on top of the sausage-like > thing; the diner is then offered red, brown, and yellow sauces out > of plastic squirters, and relieved of an absurdly large amount of > money. There is, of course, no plate: instead, there is a square of > tracing-paper rather shorter than the completed delicacy. Salad, > you say? What on earth for? > There is an Icelandic variant, which is pretty well the same, but > costs even more, and is served with sugar.
> *In Australia, where breath is expensive, these are known as > "Frankfurts".
I believe that in 1949-50 the hot dogs at Carrell Speedway in Gardena, south of Los Angeles, may have been filled with the same stuffings, but the exterior and presentation were different: they were actual sausages, pig intestine casing, and cooked (HOT!) in coconut oil. Buns were steamed but not soggy, and I have no memory of condiments other than yellow mustard. That may be because I had no taste for nor interest in catsup or onions or sweet pickle relish for these creations. They smelled good, nut-like, and tasted wonderful. That first bite, when the casing burst and the mouth was treated to such a sensual flood made it was difficult not to pause and enjoy its full effect. Continued consumption, as the mouth's chemicals transformed the bun into sweetness, a delightful contrast with the mustard and nuttiness, was reward enough to invite more bites. Never had such a treat anywhere else. And they cost a quarter of a dollar.
The only more recent thing that has come close, and also currently not available in any local store I've seen, were the Oscar Meyer Smokie Links. Same physical sensations, smokey flavor, sinfully greasy. I suppose that's why they have fallen off the supermarket list. When they were on the shelves, boiled or grilled Smokie Links became "hot dogs" in our vocabulary, and we treated them in the classic manner.
And I'm preparing marinated chicken thighs for lunch. Sigh.
Nick Spalding wrote: > Django Cat wrote, in <DICIm.43144$%%3.24...@newsfe23.ams2> > on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:51 GMT:
>>> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything >>> that life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs, >>> Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try). >> Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything once >> except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled it I'm not so >> sure.
> Sir Thomas Beecham is what I remember from Timothy West's version of > him, except I think it was folk dancing.
Morris Dancing and incest, Shirley. Beecham, though, yes.
Frank ess wrote: > The only more recent thing that has come close, and also currently > not available in any local store I've seen, were the Oscar Meyer > Smokie Links. Same physical sensations, smokey flavor, sinfully > greasy. I suppose that's why they have fallen off the supermarket > list. When they were on the shelves, boiled or grilled Smokie Links > became "hot dogs" in our vocabulary, and we treated them in the > classic manner.
I enjoyed those in the past. It seems as though they are still made:
>> The only more recent thing that has come close, and also currently >> not available in any local store I've seen, were the Oscar Meyer >> Smokie Links. Same physical sensations, smokey flavor, sinfully >> greasy. I suppose that's why they have fallen off the supermarket >> list. When they were on the shelves, boiled or grilled Smokie Links >> became "hot dogs" in our vocabulary, and we treated them in the >> classic manner.
> I enjoyed those in the past. It seems as though they are still made:
There are a few stores near here on the list of providers of "Smokies"; around this time of year Costco begins stocking "Little Smokies", presumably for the standup party-snacks crowd. If the Smokies recipe is like the Little Smokies', they are tasty, but not the same as "Smokie Links" from the past, which were like beef for chili: chunky within, a little chewy, in contrast to the "creamy" consistency of the Little Smokies. I'll bet the casing doesn't "pop" when you bite it.
I see Johnsonville offers a "classic casing" on some weiners, and declines to supply technical specifications. I wonder why ...
>There are a few stores near here on the list of providers of >"Smokies"; around this time of year Costco begins stocking "Little >Smokies", presumably for the standup party-snacks crowd. If the >Smokies recipe is like the Little Smokies', they are tasty, but not >the same as "Smokie Links" from the past, which were like beef for >chili: chunky within, a little chewy, in contrast to the "creamy" >consistency of the Little Smokies. I'll bet the casing doesn't "pop" >when you bite it.
>I see Johnsonville offers a "classic casing" on some weiners, and >declines to supply technical specifications. I wonder why ...
I had part of this discussion last week with someone handing out samples of "chicken and apple sausage" at one of the warehouse clubs...she mentioned the "wrapper" on the sausages and I had to ask if she meant "casing"....
Johnsonville makes good product, by the way...so does Hillshire....r
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:25 +0100, James Hogg wrote: > John Varela wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:28:55 UTC, LFS >> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>>> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans >>> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an >>> unusually classy-looking example: >>> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121- hotdogvan.jpg
And the one at the bottom, that answers the question "Where's Izzy?"
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the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes: > Nick Spalding wrote: >> Django Cat wrote, in <DICIm.43144$%%3.24...@newsfe23.ams2> >> on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:51 GMT:
>>>> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything >>>> that life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs, >>>> Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try). >>> Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything once >>> except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled it I'm not so >>> sure. >> Sir Thomas Beecham is what I remember from Timothy West's version of >> him, except I think it was folk dancing.
> Morris Dancing and incest, Shirley. Beecham, though, yes.
The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir Arnold Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every experience once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's 1981 _An Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943 _Farewell My Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once, except incest and folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to him, as well.
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes:
>> Nick Spalding wrote: >>> Django Cat wrote, in <DICIm.43144$%%3.24...@newsfe23.ams2> >>> on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:51 GMT:
>>>>> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try everything >>>>> that life has to offer (except that I draw the line at hard drugs, >>>>> Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none of which will I ever try). >>>> Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything once >>>> except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled it I'm not >>>> so sure. >>> Sir Thomas Beecham is what I remember from Timothy West's version of >>> him, except I think it was folk dancing.
>> Morris Dancing and incest, Shirley. Beecham, though, yes.
> The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir Arnold > Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every experience > once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's 1981 _An > Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943 _Farewell My > Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once, except incest and > folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to > him, as well.
Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly counts.)
Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- it's _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax and folk dancing.
-- Roland Hutchinson
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Roland Hutchinson wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:15 -0800, Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>> the Omrud <usenet.om...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes:
>>> Nick Spalding wrote: >>>> Django Cat wrote, in <DICIm.43144$%%3.24...@newsfe23.ams2> on >>>> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:51 GMT:
>>>>>> I like to think that I am the sort of person who will try >>>>>> everything that life has to offer (except that I draw the >>>>>> line at hard drugs, Morris Dancing and jellied eels, none >>>>>> of which will I ever try). >>>>> Well, I thought it was Oscar Wilde that said 'try everything >>>>> once except incest and country dancing', but now I've Googled >>>>> it I'm not so sure. >>>> Sir Thomas Beecham is what I remember from Timothy West's >>>> version of him, except I think it was folk dancing. >>> Morris Dancing and incest, Shirley. Beecham, though, yes. >> The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir >> Arnold Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every >> experience once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat >> Shapiro's 1981 _An Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to >> Bax's 1943 _Farewell My Youth_, giving it as "One should try >> everything once, except incest and folk-dancing", and Lewis >> Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to him, as well.
> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much > the same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies > once had a way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course > _everything_ has a way of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or > Mark Twain, so that hardly counts.)
> Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- > it's _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax > and folk dancing.
Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
>> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much >> the same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies >> once had a way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course >> _everything_ has a way of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or >> Mark Twain, so that hardly counts.)
>> Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- >> it's _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax >> and folk dancing.
>Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All music >is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
I would have guessed Will Rogers....r
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> > Ah, time was we had the choice of an hours drive to Warrington IKEA > > (West) or an hours drive to Leeds IKEA (North East). Now we have > > our very own IKEA in Ashton-under-Lyne (of Bill Sowerbutts fame).
> Five or six years ago, I had to go to Nykoping, Sweden on business. > The conversation lightened up a bit during our lunch break, and the > subject came round to the Swedish sense of humour. Contrary to > widespread and uninformed opinion in Great Britain, they assured me, > Swedes do have a strong sense of humour. At that time, most of the > jokes in circulation were about innocents visiting IKEA on a shopping > expedition expecting to buy some furniture, or about what happened > when they took their goods home and tried to follow the assembly > instructions. They also had a good range of jokes covering the life > and work of Sven Goran Ericsson[1]. The Swedish tabloid newspapers > followed his progress in Britain with undying interest, my colleagues > informed me, and regaled their readers with a new Sven story almost > every other day.
> [1] For the benefit of any reader who is not either British or > Swedish: Sven Goran Ericsson is a Swede who was appointed Manager of > the England Football Team in the late 1990s. There were also quite a > few stories (including at least one really juicy scandal) about him > in the British tabloid press during his tenure of the post, which > lasted about five years.
I think Sven was OK, intelligent and stylish, and the antithesis of foul-mouthed Graham Taylor, probably the worst England manager ever. It's the lot of managers to carry the can when the team fails to perform well - and these days that just means getting knocked out of a competition. No doubt the knives will be out for Fabio in due course.
>> Django Cat wrote >>> Ah, time was we had the choice of an hours drive to Warrington IKEA >>> (West) or an hours drive to Leeds IKEA (North East). Now we have >>> our very own IKEA in Ashton-under-Lyne (of Bill Sowerbutts fame). >> Five or six years ago, I had to go to Nykoping, Sweden on business. >> The conversation lightened up a bit during our lunch break, and the >> subject came round to the Swedish sense of humour. Contrary to >> widespread and uninformed opinion in Great Britain, they assured me, >> Swedes do have a strong sense of humour. At that time, most of the >> jokes in circulation were about innocents visiting IKEA on a shopping >> expedition expecting to buy some furniture, or about what happened >> when they took their goods home and tried to follow the assembly >> instructions. They also had a good range of jokes covering the life >> and work of Sven Goran Ericsson[1]. The Swedish tabloid newspapers >> followed his progress in Britain with undying interest, my colleagues >> informed me, and regaled their readers with a new Sven story almost >> every other day.
>> [1] For the benefit of any reader who is not either British or >> Swedish: Sven Goran Ericsson is a Swede who was appointed Manager of >> the England Football Team in the late 1990s. There were also quite a >> few stories (including at least one really juicy scandal) about him >> in the British tabloid press during his tenure of the post, which >> lasted about five years.
> I think Sven was OK, intelligent and stylish, and the antithesis of > foul-mouthed Graham Taylor, probably the worst England manager ever. > It's the lot of managers to carry the can when the team fails to > perform well - and these days that just means getting knocked out of a > competition. No doubt the knives will be out for Fabio in due course.
> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >> The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir Arnold >> Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every experience >> once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's 1981 _An >> Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943 _Farewell My >> Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once, except incest and >> folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to >> him, as well.
> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the > same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a > way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way > of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly > counts.)
> Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- it's > _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax and folk > dancing.
We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to Einstein, often on subjects where he had offered no opinion whatsoever. The suspicion here is that a promoter with an axe to grind attributes his own words to Einstein, hoping that if he can persuade the public that Einstein said it, then the proposition must be both very clever and very true.
Who said something to the effect that nobody could claim to have led a full life if he had not spent at least a few months in prison? It sounds as if it might have been Oscar Wilde, who did actually do porridge for a short while. What is the full quotation?
>>> The _Wordsworth Book of Humorous Quotations_ attributes it to Sir Arnold >>> Bax and gives it as "You should make a point of trying every experience >>> once, excepting incest and folk-dancing". Nat Shapiro's 1981 _An >>> Encyclopedia of Music_ actually cites it to Bax's 1943 _Farewell My >>> Youth_, giving it as "One should try everything once, except incest and >>> folk-dancing", and Lewis Foreman's biography of Bax attributes it to >>> him, as well. >> Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the >> same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a >> way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way >> of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly >> counts.)
>> Ironically (AmE!), the "folk process" seems to be at work here -- it's >> _funnier_ if it's Beecham and morris dancing than if it's Bax and folk >> dancing.
> We should also mention that many quotations have been attrbuted to Einstein, > often on subjects where he had offered no opinion whatsoever. The suspicion > here is that a promoter with an axe to grind attributes his own words to > Einstein, hoping that if he can persuade the public that Einstein said it, > then the proposition must be both very clever and very true.
> Who said something to the effect that nobody could claim to have led a full > life if he had not spent at least a few months in prison? It sounds as if it > might have been Oscar Wilde, who did actually do porridge for a short while. > What is the full quotation?
Does a sentence of two years' hard labour count as a short while?
Roland Hutchinson <my.spamt...@verizon.net> writes: > Musical quips have a way of becoming attributed to Beecham in much the > same way that anonymous manuscripts of 18th-century symphonies once had a > way of becoming attributed to Haydn. (Of course _everything_ has a way > of getting attributed to Oscar Wilde and/or Mark Twain, so that hardly > counts.)
When with the literary, I am compelled to try an epigram. I never seek to take the credit We all assume that Oscar said it.
It's tempted to attribute that to one of the above, but I'm pretty sure it's Dorothy Parker. -- Online waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu
<my.spamt...@verizon.net> wrote: >On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:25 +0100, James Hogg wrote:
>> John Varela wrote: >>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:28:55 UTC, LFS >>> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>> Funny, but I just can't picture hot dogs being eaten in the UK.
>>>> They are often sold in the foyers of multiscreen cinemas and from vans >>>> which trade at the side of the road in the evenings. This is an >>>> unusually classy-looking example: >>>> http://www.franksconversions.co.uk/upload/tbl_used/112121- >hotdogvan.jpg
James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes: > Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All > music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The _Yale Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, when he died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it in the longish article.)
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Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>> Can you settle an argument? Was it Bax or Beecham who said, "All >> music is folk music, I ain't never heard no horse sing a song"?
> Seems to be attributed in print mostly to Louis Armstrong. The _Yale > Book of Quotations_ cites it to the _NY Times_, 6/6/1971, when he > died. (The _Times_ archives concurs, but I can't find it in the > longish article.)
It has also been attributed to Big Bill Broonzy and others, but most frequently to Armstrong.
Another quotation attributed to Satchmo was reportedly cited in a university examination paper on philosophy, as follows:
When asked "What is jazz?" Louis Armstrong replied, "Man, if you gotta ask, you'll never know." Discuss the epistemological implications of this statement.
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