Interesting, and it supports snippets I've read in various other contexts. FWIW, without my prompting, my VA doctor tested for and prescribed D3 for the first time this year. When the script was exhausted, I bought a larger dose OTC version (less expensive for me). I think I feel better overall but that's very subjective. YMMV
> Interesting, and it supports snippets I've read in various other contexts. > FWIW, without my prompting, my VA doctor tested for and prescribed D3 for > the first time this year. When the script was exhausted, I bought a larger > dose OTC version (less expensive for me). I think I feel better overall but > that's very subjective. YMMV
Because prescription D3 is 50,000 IU per softgel, it is unlikely that your OTC version dose is larger because typically OTC D2 supplements are at most 1000 IU.
As long as the D3/D2 is making you wonderfully hungrier, there should be no suspicion of overdosing because as described in the cited article, folks overdosing on Vitamin D experience nausea.
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier especially for the heart:
"And since 200 IU is enough to prevent rickets in children - assuming they have at least a moderate amount of calcium in their diet - it was assumed that 200 IU was sufficient. It was only in the following decades, as scientists came to understand how vitamin D works in our bodies, that the picture changed."
My sentiments exactly when I was trying to say that taking in just enough nutrients to prevent nutrient deficiency diseases is not the same as taking enough to offer optimum health and disease prevention. Thanks for the article Susan.
Susan, come to think of it, I am taking calcium with Vitamin D, not a separate Vitamin D pill.
I was anemic a bit, and he just started me on iron, Is this possible that after only three days I had more vim, vigor and vitality or is it mind over matter.
I come to ask you Susan, because I believe you would know the answer.
I am glad I just had my vitamin D levels checked. I take a supplement and when I was taking two a day, my vitamin D level was way too high, but now on one supplement a day, it is perfect.
Loretta Eisenberg wrote: > Susan, come to think of it, I am taking calcium with Vitamin D, not a > separate Vitamin D pill.
> I was anemic a bit, and he just started me on iron, Is this possible > that after only three days I had more vim, vigor and vitality or is it > mind over matter.
As a person who has suffered low iron stores frequently over the past few years I can categorically say yes Loretta, you can feel much more alive after only a few days of iron therapy.
Loretta Eisenberg wrote: > Susan, come to think of it, I am taking calcium with Vitamin D, not a > separate Vitamin D pill.
> I was anemic a bit, and he just started me on iron, Is this possible > that after only three days I had more vim, vigor and vitality or is it > mind over matter.
My immediate symptoms of low iron are getting breathless when walking just a few feet across a room, pale fingernail beds and inside the lower eye lids. I also feel extremely lethargic.
Susan, I have been a night eater all my life, I was fat so I used to sneak food at night. There is a void needed to be filled. Not eveverything is physical. I wasnt anemic until about a year ago. I used to eat sara lee cakes straight from the freezer. Getting diabetes saved my life
My name is Loretta and I am a compulsive eater who has control during the day and so far tonight pretty good.
Loretta Eisenberg wrote: > Thanks for the information Jan. Do you take it every day.
> Loretta
I take it when necessary for a few weeks usually - double the dose recommended on the bottle though. Mine is a women's problem and only about 3-4 monthly if you get my drift. Once the crisis is over I discontinue.
Loretta Eisenberg wrote: > Susan, I have been a night eater all my life, I was fat so I used to > sneak food at night. There is a void needed to be filled. Not > eveverything is physical. I wasnt anemic until about a year ago. I > used to eat sara lee cakes straight from the freezer. Getting > diabetes saved my life
Ah, I remember frozen Sara Lee banana cake well :)
> My name is Loretta and I am a compulsive eater who has control during > the day and so far tonight pretty good.
Inside of me is still a compulsive eater. I still eat big but most of what I eat is low carb stuff and I can get away with it. Before I sit down at night to watch a movie I pre prepare snacks. I have plain yoghurt and a bit of some kind of fruit for the main snack - in the fridge in a bowl, waiting. Sometimes I will cook some popcorn and share with my son who eats the bulk of it. I keep veggies cut up in the fridge and things like salsa and cottage cheese for dipping. Beside my chair I keep a bottle of water. Works for me. If I don't prepare I am highly likely to go and grab a biscuit or a piece of cake or whatever else is around.
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:29 +1000, "Ozgirl" > <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
>> Inside of me is still a compulsive eater. I still eat big but most of >> what >> I eat is low carb stuff and I can get away with it. Before I sit down at >> night to watch a movie I pre prepare snacks. I have plain yoghurt and a >> bit >> of some kind of fruit for the main snack - in the fridge in a bowl, >> waiting. >> Sometimes I will cook some popcorn and share with my son who eats the >> bulk >> of it. I keep veggies cut up in the fridge and things like salsa and >> cottage >> cheese for dipping. Beside my chair I keep a bottle of water. Works for >> me. >> If I don't prepare I am highly likely to go and grab a biscuit or a piece >> of >> cake or whatever else is around.
> It's a good plan! I'm much more likely to "behave myself" if I've got > something easy to grab ready ahead of time. The other thing is to not > have stuff that I shouldn't eat in the house in the first place, but > that's not always possible. If I've got my own "goodies" on hand I > don't even notice, or care, what anyone else is munching on. :-)
Aside from my planned snacks and hypos, the only things I eat between meals (and I don't eat these things often) are nuts, seeds, pickles, olives and maybe a spoonful of raw chocolate/coconut. Cheese would be on that list if I were not allergic.
BlueBrooke wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:29 +1000, "Ozgirl" > <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
>> Inside of me is still a compulsive eater. I still eat big but most >> of what I eat is low carb stuff and I can get away with it. Before I >> sit down at night to watch a movie I pre prepare snacks. I have >> plain yoghurt and a bit of some kind of fruit for the main snack - >> in the fridge in a bowl, waiting. Sometimes I will cook some popcorn >> and share with my son who eats the bulk of it. I keep veggies cut up >> in the fridge and things like salsa and cottage cheese for dipping. >> Beside my chair I keep a bottle of water. Works for me. If I don't >> prepare I am highly likely to go and grab a biscuit or a piece of >> cake or whatever else is around.
> It's a good plan! I'm much more likely to "behave myself" if I've got > something easy to grab ready ahead of time. The other thing is to not > have stuff that I shouldn't eat in the house in the first place, but > that's not always possible. If I've got my own "goodies" on hand I > don't even notice, or care, what anyone else is munching on. :-)
Trying to imagine the kids' reaction if I only had cottage cheese and crudites in the house... :) At night I am tired and it is so easy to just grab a banana or sweet treat so I have to make sure I am well prepared, lol.
: > : >> Inside of me is still a compulsive eater. I still eat big but most : >> of what I eat is low carb stuff and I can get away with it. Before I : >> sit down at night to watch a movie I pre prepare snacks. I have : >> plain yoghurt and a bit of some kind of fruit for the main snack - : >> in the fridge in a bowl, waiting. Sometimes I will cook some popcorn : >> and share with my son who eats the bulk of it. I keep veggies cut up : >> in the fridge and things like salsa and cottage cheese for dipping. : >> Beside my chair I keep a bottle of water. Works for me. If I don't : >> prepare I am highly likely to go and grab a biscuit or a piece of : >> cake or whatever else is around. : > : > It's a good plan! I'm much more likely to "behave myself" if I've got : > something easy to grab ready ahead of time. The other thing is to not : > have stuff that I shouldn't eat in the house in the first place, but : > that's not always possible. If I've got my own "goodies" on hand I : > don't even notice, or care, what anyone else is munching on. :-)
: Trying to imagine the kids' reaction if I only had cottage cheese and : crudites in the house... :) At night I am tired and it is so easy to just : grab a banana or sweet treat so I have to make sure I am well prepared, lol.
One reason that I always test between 1 and 2 hours after dinner(which is often sometime after 7PM) is to control my urges towards after dinner eating. If I have not tested, well, I can't eat beause I would ruin the test results. If I test highish, well, I can't snack and if I test low it is prettyclose to bed time so I only take a small snack(cheese, Wasa cracker with PB , etc. It helps me. With kids around it would be harder to eat late and to keep all the carby goodies out of the house, so that makes it easier for me.
In article <1801-4AE5080A-3...@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>, Rone...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:
> Susan, I have been a night eater all my life, I was fat so I used to > sneak food at night. There is a void needed to be filled. Not > eveverything is physical. I wasnt anemic until about a year ago. I > used to eat sara lee cakes straight from the freezer. Getting diabetes > saved my life
> My name is Loretta and I am a compulsive eater who has control during > the day and so far tonight pretty good.
OK, but there may be a physiological reason for this, and maybe something that can be *changed*.
BlueBrooke wrote: >> Trying to imagine the kids' reaction if I only had cottage cheese and >> crudites in the house... :)
> Well, (1) I only have one kid and (2) he's used to it by now and (3) > you're a better Mom than I am! LOL!
No, I'd say I'm a weaker one. All of my kids have always been able to get around me as they know I am a soft touch.
> With a few notable exceptions -- for instance, he eats a lot of bread > and I'm tellin' ya that toast smell is hard to resist! -- he pretty > much eats what I do. I did get him a "real" pizza last night, though. > :-)
We have 3 squares here a day which is usually healthy as I mostly cook from scratch, rarely packeted food but do use some frozen veggies and canned foods (canned tomatoes, legumes, corn for salads. Frozen beans, peas and corn cobs). But the snack foods..... could be anything from popcorn (not too bad) to potato chips (ok in moderation) to cakes and chocolate biscuits. Corn cips and salsa are always on the list.
>> At night I am tired and it is so easy to just >> grab a banana or sweet treat so I have to make sure I am well >> prepared, lol.
> Ah -- bananas. Love those. They don't love me, though. :-D
I had about 1/4 of a banana in my yoghurt last night with a few berries. Was kind to me :)
> If you aren't ready, it can be hard to come up with a "good" snack > during a commercial break. Got a DVR a few weeks ago, though -- > lovin' that! Remembering to use it is the next step. ;-)
lol
> Lessee -- I make sure I've got lots of nuts and cheese and beef > sticks. And we make up a batch of yogurt about every week and put > frozen fruit in that for "ice cream," though now that the weather is > getting colder, that's not sounding so good today. :-)
I have never been overly keen on frozen yoghurt, probably becasue I am expecting it to taste like ice cream :) Although I do get a nice ABC type yoghurt that has berries and it is not bitter and still bg kind. So that might taste ok frozen.
> I was going to say "getting back on topic" but realize I have nothing > to say about Vit D -- LOL!
<bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > I was going to say "getting back on topic" but realize I have nothing >> > to say about Vit D -- LOL!
>> You don't pop your vit D with a meal? :)
>Um -- oops. No. :-)
>So far, I get my Vit D outside -- for free. You knew that was coming. >:-D
I get mine for free too; easy here on the 28th parallel.
Unfortunately the lovely sunshine didn't just add good vitamin D, it also added skin cancers. So now I stay indoors a little more and pop 1000IU vit D each morning.
BlueBrooke <bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:58 +1100, Alan S > <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:27:30 -0500, BlueBrooke > > <bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > >> > I was going to say "getting back on topic" but realize I have nothing > > >> > to say about Vit D -- LOL!
> > >> You don't pop your vit D with a meal? :)
> > >Um -- oops. No. :-)
> > >So far, I get my Vit D outside -- for free. You knew that was coming. > > >:-D
> > I get mine for free too; easy here on the 28th parallel.
> > Unfortunately the lovely sunshine didn't just add good vitamin D, it > > also added skin cancers. So now I stay indoors a little more and pop > > 1000IU vit D each morning.
> Actually, I don't believe it does. I'm more afraid of pills than I am > of sunshine. :-)
> I'm wondering if there are any statistics on how many people were > getting skin cancer before, oh say, 1950 or 1960? I've reviewed a lot > of death certificates and not a single one so far has listed skin > cancer as a cause of death. Lots of diabetes and heart diseases of > all kinds -- and yes, lots of cancers. But not a single skin cancer, > not even listed as contributing. And most of these people were > farmers.
> Yes, just more anecdotal stuff. But I'm guessing if spending the day > in the sun was that bad, a farmer would be the one it would show up > on.
If he lived long enough...
-- "[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly. This, apparently, upsets the fools." ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:52 -0500, BlueBrooke wrote: > I'm wondering if there are any statistics on how many people were > getting skin cancer before, oh say, 1950 or 1960?
Hats and Erroll Flynn not wearing his singlet in movies.
<bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Unfortunately the lovely sunshine didn't just add good vitamin D, it >> also added skin cancers. So now I stay indoors a little more and pop >> 1000IU vit D each morning.
>Actually, I don't believe it does. I'm more afraid of pills than I am >of sunshine. :-)
I have had two malignant ones excised in the past few years (got all of them, happily). I had 11 small enough to be zapped by the liquid nitrogen last month. That's pretty normal for me in a year. I no longer wait for them to develop far enough to discover whether they are going to become nasty.
>I'm wondering if there are any statistics on how many people were >getting skin cancer before, oh say, 1950 or 1960? I've reviewed a lot >of death certificates and not a single one so far has listed skin >cancer as a cause of death. Lots of diabetes and heart diseases of >all kinds -- and yes, lots of cancers. But not a single skin cancer, >not even listed as contributing. And most of these people were >farmers.
>Yes, just more anecdotal stuff. But I'm guessing if spending the day >in the sun was that bad, a farmer would be the one it would show up >on.
BlueBrooke <bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:56:02 +0000, Nicky <ukc802466...@btconnect.com> > wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:52 -0500, BlueBrooke > > <bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > >I'm wondering if there are any statistics on how many people were > > >getting skin cancer before, oh say, 1950 or 1960?
> > It is kind of interesting, isn't it. I don't recall anyone getting the > > little melanomas, etc when I was a kid in Africa; I'm certain my Dad > > didn't, and he spent most days in the sun for his job, and he's 87.
> Same here. We grew up in California, which certainly isn't Africa, > but everyone was pretty tanned, before tanning beds. I don't recall > hearing much about skin cancers until around the time we were being > told we weren't supposed to eat eggs, either. :-)
> > However, I wouldn't want to fry too much these days; I suspect changes > > in the ozone layer?
> I'm too old to fry anymore. :-)
> The ozone layer, perhaps, but I think there's something else going on, > too. It's hard to find any skin-care product anymore that doesn't > have SPF something -- and yet it's still an issue and now we Vit D > deficiencies, too?
> I think the sun exposure/skin cancer "thing" is just another, "Oh, > gosh! Let's try this and see what happens!" Kind of like the food > pyramid. :-)
I was at a cocktail party about 10 years ago at which I had a fascinating conversation with a guy who was an FDA compliance officer with a "natural" supplement company. At the time, it was sort of hit-or-miss whether people who took calcium supplements were taking the calcium + D, and this guy was talking about vitamin D deficiencies as part of the law of unintended consequences; we'd had about 15 years of people being told to slather on the SPF 30 whenever they left the house. This was maybe 5 years before you started hearing about fairly routine testing of vitamin D levels.
As to the increase in melanoma rates, when environmental activists started talking about the ozone hole, they were specifically concerned with the southern hemisphere and possible increases in skin cancer resulting from the decreased ozone. So, there's probably been a substantial increase in screening, which leads to earlier identification of potential problems.
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<bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:58:03 +1100, Alan S ><loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:52 -0500, BlueBrooke >> <bluebro...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> Unfortunately the lovely sunshine didn't just add good vitamin D, it >> >> also added skin cancers. So now I stay indoors a little more and pop >> >> 1000IU vit D each morning.
>> >Actually, I don't believe it does. I'm more afraid of pills than I am >> >of sunshine. :-)
>> I have had two malignant ones excised in the past few years (got all >> of them, happily). I had 11 small enough to be zapped by the liquid >> nitrogen last month. That's pretty normal for me in a year. I no >> longer wait for them to develop far enough to discover whether they >> are going to become nasty.
>Sorry to hear about those troubles, Alan, and glad to hear you're >catching them early.
>How long have you been taking the Vit D? I'm not trying to set you >up. I'm wondering if you think it's making any difference?
Only a few months. I started after getting a low (but in range) result on a blood test and after a year or so reading the Heartscan blog by Dr Davis.
I only take a low dose of 1000IU; I haven't repeated the vit D blood test since so I won't know if it has had an effect for a while. The pills are cheap so I'll keep doing it at least until that test.
>> >I'm wondering if there are any statistics on how many people were >> >getting skin cancer before, oh say, 1950 or 1960? I've reviewed a lot >> >of death certificates and not a single one so far has listed skin >> >cancer as a cause of death. Lots of diabetes and heart diseases of >> >all kinds -- and yes, lots of cancers. But not a single skin cancer, >> >not even listed as contributing. And most of these people were >> >farmers.
Melanoma is a major cause of death by cancers in this country. More info on that link i gave you.
>> >Yes, just more anecdotal stuff. But I'm guessing if spending the day >> >in the sun was that bad, a farmer would be the one it would show up >> >on.
>I'm probably missing it -- I'm doing the "I'll get up for awhile and >see how I feel" thing and I'm thinking I'm heading back to bed <g> -- >but the stats I see are fairly recent.
>My question was about occurrence pre-1960 or so. I'm not arguing that >it isn't an issue now -- in the U.S. or in Australia. What I'm >wondering is how much of a problem it was 50 years ago.
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