On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:49:00 -0500, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote: >x-no-archive: yes
>Interesting, check out the date that this appeared in the prestigious >journal, Nature. Interesting to note that this predates the >understanding that starches are as glycemic and sometimes more glycemic >than sugar, but meter testing wasn't widely available then:
>Nature 209, 81 - 82 (01 January 1966); doi:10.1038/209081a0
>Metabolic Differences between Starch and Sucrose >SOHAIR AL-NAGDY, D. S. MILLER, R. U. QURESHI & JOHN YUDKIN >Department of Nutrition, Queen Elizabeth College, London, W.8. >SINCE 1957, papers from this department have stressed that the dietary >factor involved in the aetiology of ischaemic heart disease is likely to >be sugar (sucrose) rather than fat1. The evidence incriminating dietary >sugar—now quite strong—is chiefly epidemiological. Investigations of >populations show that the rise in the incidence of the disease coincides >with the rise in the consumption of sugar and not of fat2–4. Again, >during investigations of individuals we have shown that the disease is >most likely to occur in those that have been eating a great deal of sugar5.
>1. Yudkin, J. , Lancet, ii, 155 (1957). For summary, see Yudkin, J. , >Lancet, i, 1335 (1963). >2. Cohen, A. M. , Bavly, S. , and Poznanski, R. , Lancet, ii, 1399 (1961). >3. Antar, M. A. , Ohlson, M. A. , and Hodges, R. E. , Amer. J. Chin. >Nutr., 14, 169 (1964). | ChemPort | >4. Yudkin, J. , Lancet, ii, 4 (1964); Proc. Nutr. Soc., 23, 149 (1964). >5. Yudkin, J. , and Roddy, J. , Lancet, ii, 6 (1964). >6. Kinsell, L. D. , Food Processing, 26, 67 (1965). >7. Macdonald, I. , Proc. Nutr. Soc., 23, 119 (1964). | Article | PubMed >| ISI | ChemPort | >8. Antar, M. A. , and Ohlson, M. A. , J. Nutrition, 85, 329 (1965). | >ISI | ChemPort | >9. Cohen, A. M. , and Teitelbaum, A. , Amer. J. Physiol., 206, 105 >(1964). | PubMed | ISI | ChemPort | >10. Thomasson, H. J. , Gottenbos, J. J. , Kloeze, J. , and Vles, R. O. >, Proc. Nutr. Soc. (in the press).
-- Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
> SINCE 1957, papers from this department have stressed that the dietary > factor involved in the aetiology of ischaemic heart disease is likely to > be sugar (sucrose) rather than fat. The evidence incriminating dietary > sugar—now quite strong—is chiefly epidemiological. Investigations of > populations show that the rise in the incidence of the disease coincides > with the rise in the consumption of sugar and not of fat
Ancel Keys published the infamous "Seven Countries" study in 1943. The same year, a less well-known article in one of the major journals also showed that fat consumption did correlate with CHD--but that carbohydrate consumption had a slightly higher correlation.
Susan wrote: > Wes Groleau wrote: >> Ancel Keys published the infamous "Seven Countries" study in 1943. >> The same year, a less well-known article in one of the major journals >> also showed that fat consumption did correlate with CHD--but that >> carbohydrate consumption had a slightly higher correlation.
> Did the subjects of the studies eat only fat, or only carbs to test the > strength of the associations?
You should have no trouble finding a copy of the infamous seven countries study. The other one, I have only a photocopy I took from JAMA at the library. Might have been 1944 but I think it was 1941.
For a thorough debunking of the seven countries study, read chapter one of "The Cholesterol Myth" by Uffe Ravnskov. Some of the Ravnskov's criticisms of Keys would seem to me also applicable to the other study.
-- Wes Groleau
"To know what you prefer, instead of humbly saying Amen to what the world tells you you should prefer, is to have kept your soul alive." -- Robert Louis Stevenson
Wes Groleau wrote: > You should have no trouble finding a copy of the infamous seven > countries study. The other one, I have only a photocopy I took > from JAMA at the library. Might have been 1944 but I think it > was 1941.
oops, _1943_
-- Wes Groleau
"A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature, and as a firm and unalterable experience has established these laws, the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact, is as entire as could possibly be imagined." -- David Hume, age 37 "There's no such thing of that, 'cause I never heard of it." -- Becky Groleau, age 4
> >>> Ancel Keys published the infamous "Seven Countries" study in 1943. > >>> The same year, a less well-known article in one of the major journals > >>> also showed that fat consumption did correlate with CHD--but that > >>> carbohydrate consumption had a slightly higher correlation.
> >> Did the subjects of the studies eat only fat, or only carbs to test the > >> strength of the associations?
> >You should have no trouble finding a copy of the infamous seven > >countries study. The other one, I have only a photocopy I took > >from JAMA at the library. Might have been 1944 but I think it > >was 1941.
> >For a thorough debunking of the seven countries study, read > >chapter one of "The Cholesterol Myth" by Uffe Ravnskov.
> Kendrick (The Great Cholesterol Con, pub. John Blake, 2008) debunks it > even more completely than Ravnskov! He produces his own 'Fourteen > Countries' study, in which he shows that "every single one of the > seven countries with the lowest saturated fat consumption has > significantly higher rates of heart disease than every single one of > the seven countries with the highest saturated fat consumption"
The countries with no heart disease are the countries with no overeating.
Therefore, it remains much smarter to eat the right amount (32 oz) of food daily:
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