I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz serving.
Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something about my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my average.
This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in the juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there are per 8 oz.
This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three days of no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
Michael wrote: > I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice > drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
> This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz serving.
> Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something about > my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my average.
> This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured > sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my > blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
> At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in the > juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there are per > 8 oz.
> This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three days > of no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. > I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I > thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my > rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
> Michael
Hi Michael,
You're fully right, anything you're not familiar with should be tested. I don't change my pattern a lot, but when I add something new to the pattern I gets my attention. The general rule is still, count the carbs, and delay those fast carbs on a day.
Q
-- Type-2 diabetes since July 2009, 1000 mg/day metformin, BMI 26.3
"It remains wiser to eat/drink the right amount (32 oz/day) of food instead of dieting:"
Truth:
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other then science or valid medical practice
All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face saving can not deal with that truth.
The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new information led where the agenda demands.
Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this case.
There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar with the inventor's posts.
Michael wrote: > I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice > drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
> This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz serving.
> Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something about > my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my average.
> This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured > sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my > blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
> At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in the > juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there are per > 8 oz.
> This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three days > of no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. > I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I > thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my > rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
> Michael
Hi Michael,
Awesome you found a probable culprit in keeping your numbers higher than you want them!
And yes, TEST, TEST, TEST is very important. Carb count may give me a ballpark idea whether or not a particular food is even worth trying, but it still comes down to individual response to each food item.
>> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. I >> have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I >> thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my >> rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
> I've always had similar experiences with wheat; two grams spike me way > beyond what 2 grams should be able to. Many folks have similar > experiences with tomatoes, and I'm sensitive to those as well. For > others, no problem.
> You may be able to have the juice (though I think juice is a poor choice, > as a rule) later in the day, and, say, maybe 4 oz. instead of a full > glass.
I used to drink this on occasion but only maybe 2 oz. at a time.
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I do drink the Ocean Spray diet juice and dont have any problem with it Michael. I drink about four or five ounces so that I can take my morning medication portion control the juice. 24 ounces sounds like way too much.
I do believe it has more than two carbs per glass.
Loretta Eisenberg wrote: > I do drink the Ocean Spray diet juice and dont have any problem with it > Michael. I drink about four or five ounces so that I can take my > morning medication portion control the juice. 24 ounces sounds like > way too much.
> I do believe it has more than two carbs per glass.
> Loretta
> -- > I
That is what is on the label Loretta. But, I don't need to worry about it anymore. I just won't be drinking any of it. I tend to agree with your belief that there is more than 2 carbs per 8 oz. I suspect that they mislabeled it in order to increase sales.
The 24 ounces was a single day.
My average was 12 ounces in a day. It was certainly causing me a problem.
Michael wrote: > I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice > drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
> This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz > serving. > Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something > about my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my > average. > This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured > sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my > blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
> At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in > the juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there > are per 8 oz.
> This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three > days of no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very > important. I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly > believe it. > I thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my > rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
I'd have done my first test at 5 minutes then 10 then 15. At 45 miutes you might have been on the down run not the up.
Ozgirl wrote: > Michael wrote: >> I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice >> drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
>> This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz >> serving. >> Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something >> about my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my >> average. >> This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured >> sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my >> blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
>> At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in >> the juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there >> are per 8 oz.
>> This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three >> days of no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
>> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very >> important. I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly >> believe it. >> I thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my >> rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
> I'd have done my first test at 5 minutes then 10 then 15. At 45 miutes you > might have been on the down run not the up.
I don't doubt that. The number could have been much higher. That was supposedly from ingesting 3 simple carbs. For all I know it peaked at 140. This juice is not for me.
>I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice >drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
> This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz serving.
> Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something about > my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my average.
> This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured > sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my > blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
> At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in the > juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there are per 8 > oz.
> This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three days of > no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. I > have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I > thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my rather > strict diet. I was very wrong.
> Michael
I gave up drinking fruit juice of any kind when I was diagnosed T2. I now eat the whole fruit (plain) but no juice. I do drink vegetable juice.
: I have been drinking up to 24 ounces per day of ocean spray diet juice : drinks. Most days have been about 12 ounces.
: This drink is labeled as having 2 grams of carbohydrates per 8 oz serving.
: Well, I stopped drinking this juice to see if I could do something about : my FBG numbers. I got a three day drop of 16 points from my average.
: This morning I had a FBG of 110. I drank 8 oz of the juice. I measured : sooner rather than later because I felt that this juice would enter my : blood stream more rapidly than other foods.
: At 45 minutes I had a reading of 127. Either there is a chemical in the : juice causing this, or they are lying about how many carbs there are per : 8 oz.
: This juice is now off my diet. BTW, I also noticed during my three days : of no juice that my reactions to all my meals had gone down.
: The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. : I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I : thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my : rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
: Michael
I drink a small (3 oz) glass of either the diet cranberry(at your suggestion) or the Crystal Light Classic Orange breakfast drink and neither causes me any problems. In fact, this morning, after htat 107 fbg I did test at 2 hours and was at 91, diet juice, cottage cheese, yogurt, rasberries and blueberries and 2 cups of absolutelyl awful insatnt coffee as I don't cook on Saturdays. Try drinkg a small glass aand see if it is OK.
i can eat a entire pinnaple if i wanted with no spike but one bite of apple shoots me up..so does a baby carrot.
lentils..spike..red beans..no spike..
Had i just gone by the GI or what others say they can eat id have problems. Heck somtimes even my safe foods get me time to time for no reason..lol..nature of the disease.
>> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. I >> have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I >> thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my >> rather strict diet. I was very wrong.
> I've always had similar experiences with wheat; two grams spike me way > beyond what 2 grams should be able to. Many folks have similar > experiences with tomatoes, and I'm sensitive to those as well. For > others, no problem.
> You may be able to have the juice (though I think juice is a poor choice, > as a rule) later in the day, and, say, maybe 4 oz. instead of a full > glass.
Kurt wrote: > On Nov 7, 4:34 pm, Michael <mico...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> I tend to agree with >> your belief that there is more than 2 carbs per 8 oz. I suspect that >> they mislabeled it in order to increase sales.
> That would be illegal. Do you really think they would do that and risk > a huge lawsuit?
> Kurt
Yes. Lawsuits are little to no consumer defense. All they have to do is settle with the plaintiff for a reasonable (read small) amount and ask the court to seal the records.
Remember all those Fords that exploded into a fireball in rear end collisions? Something like that should have bankrupted Ford in that day. It didn't. The settlements cost Ford less than the fix. And in the end the fix was sliding a piece of rubber hose over the protruding bolts.
Our variations truly are unique. I LOVE pineapple, but one small serving sends my BG straight up to 200. :-( I can do part of an apple and raw carrots. Cooked carrots are a no go. Small portions of dried beans are okay, but some are better than others.
> i can eat a entire pinnaple if i wanted with no spike but one bite of apple > shoots me up..so does a baby carrot.
> lentils..spike..red beans..no spike..
> Had i just gone by the GI or what others say they can eat id have problems. > Heck somtimes even my safe foods get me time to time for no > reason..lol..nature of the disease.
>>> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. I >>> have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I >>> thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my >>> rather strict diet. I was very wrong. >> I've always had similar experiences with wheat; two grams spike me way >> beyond what 2 grams should be able to. Many folks have similar >> experiences with tomatoes, and I'm sensitive to those as well. For >> others, no problem.
>> You may be able to have the juice (though I think juice is a poor choice, >> as a rule) later in the day, and, say, maybe 4 oz. instead of a full >> glass.
Michelle C. wrote: > Our variations truly are unique. I LOVE pineapple, but one small > serving sends my BG straight up to 200. :-( I can do part of an > apple and raw carrots. Cooked carrots are a no go. Small portions > of dried beans are okay, but some are better than others.
Ok - 1 slice only of fresh pineapple (and not the large pineapples) Ok - whole apple Ok - a cup of beans (cooked) Ok - about 1/2 cup cooked lentils Ok - carrots (raw and cooked)
yeah it is amazing..oh and strawberries i can eat a whole pint of them with whip cream made with cream and splenda and a dash of vanillia..yum!...no spike at all.
Somtimes i just eat the strawberries plain so the fat of the cream isnt pizza effecting me..i just can eat strawberries..lol.
i wish i could eat banna that was my favorite fruit....sigh
KROM
"Michelle C." <michelle_of_the_des...@ATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> Our variations truly are unique. I LOVE pineapple, but one small serving > sends my BG straight up to 200. :-( I can do part of an apple and raw > carrots. Cooked carrots are a no go. Small portions of dried beans are > okay, but some are better than others.
> Best regards, > Michelle C., T2, no meds
> krom wrote: >> yeah you gotta test.
>> i can eat a entire pinnaple if i wanted with no spike but one bite of >> apple shoots me up..so does a baby carrot.
>> lentils..spike..red beans..no spike..
>> Had i just gone by the GI or what others say they can eat id have >> problems. >> Heck somtimes even my safe foods get me time to time for no >> reason..lol..nature of the disease.
>>>> The mantra that is described here, TEST, TEST, TEST, is very important. >>>> I have found a serious problem in my diet. I could hardly believe it. I >>>> thought erroneously that I could easily add this little treat to my >>>> rather strict diet. I was very wrong. >>> I've always had similar experiences with wheat; two grams spike me way >>> beyond what 2 grams should be able to. Many folks have similar >>> experiences with tomatoes, and I'm sensitive to those as well. For >>> others, no problem.
>>> You may be able to have the juice (though I think juice is a poor >>> choice, as a rule) later in the day, and, say, maybe 4 oz. instead of a >>> full glass.
i like appleas alot and i love raw carrots..cooked is ok in stir fry..but i cant eat any anymore .
I can eat alot of cranberries with zero bg effect..when i was sick and everything spiked me..they didnt..was only food i could tolerate..cranberrie..water.. splenda.. ice ...blend drink...lol.
KROM
"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote in message
> Michelle C. wrote: >> Our variations truly are unique. I LOVE pineapple, but one small >> serving sends my BG straight up to 200. :-( I can do part of an >> apple and raw carrots. Cooked carrots are a no go. Small portions >> of dried beans are okay, but some are better than others.
> Ok - 1 slice only of fresh pineapple (and not the large pineapples) > Ok - whole apple > Ok - a cup of beans (cooked) > Ok - about 1/2 cup cooked lentils > Ok - carrots (raw and cooked)
> Our variations truly are unique. I LOVE pineapple, but one small serving > sends my BG straight up to 200. :-( I can do part of an apple and raw > carrots. Cooked carrots are a no go. Small portions of dried beans are > okay, but some are better than others.
Raw pineapple kills my mouth so I don't eat it. I used to be able to eat canned, but don't like it well enough to want to try it now. Carrots and apples are fine. I can eat a whole apple and oodles of carrots. Lentils? Forget it. But beans are fine.
krom wrote: > yeah it is amazing..oh and strawberries i can eat a whole pint of them with > whip cream made with cream and splenda and a dash of vanillia..yum!...no > spike at all.
> Somtimes i just eat the strawberries plain so the fat of the cream isnt > pizza effecting me..i just can eat strawberries..lol.
> i wish i could eat banna that was my favorite fruit....sigh
> KROM
> "Michelle C." <michelle_of_the_des...@ATyahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hd759g$6jk$1@news.albasani.net... >> Our variations truly are unique. I LOVE pineapple, but one small serving >> sends my BG straight up to 200. :-( I can do part of an apple and raw >> carrots. Cooked carrots are a no go. Small portions of dried beans are >> okay, but some are better than others.
>> Best regards, >> Michelle C., T2, no meds
>> krom wrote: >>> yeah you gotta test.
>>> i can eat a entire pinnaple if i wanted with no spike but one bite of >>> apple shoots me up..so does a baby carrot.
>>> lentils..spike..red beans..no spike..
>>> Had i just gone by the GI or what others say they can eat id have >>> problems. >>> Heck somtimes even my safe foods get me time to time for no >>> reason..lol..nature of the disease.
Michelle C. <michelle_of_the_des...@atyahoo.com> wrote:
: Strawberries are okay for me too. I feel your pain about bananas. I : love them, but the amount I can eat is so small as to not be worth it.
: Best regards, : Michelle C.
I love bananas too. I occasionally eat one thin slice when I am preparing my husband's cerial and fruit breakfast. I have my cottattage cheese, yogurt and fruit one at the same time . We both have berries or part of a peach etc, but only he has the half a banana:-( He usually eats the other half during the day as a snack.
In article <hda3gf$6a...@reader1.panix.com>, "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote:
> Michelle C. <michelle_of_the_des...@atyahoo.com> wrote: > : Strawberries are okay for me too. I feel your pain about bananas. I > : love them, but the amount I can eat is so small as to not be worth it.
> : Best regards, > : Michelle C.
> I love bananas too. I occasionally eat one thin slice when I am preparing > my husband's cerial and fruit breakfast. I have my cottattage cheese, > yogurt and fruit one at the same time . We both have berries or part of a > peach etc, but only he has the half a banana:-( He usually eats the > other half during the day as a snack.
Yeah, I had my first banana in 5 years or so last week at an office Halloween party. Somebody had brought cut up fruit for a chocolate fondue thing, so I grabbed one little slice of banana. (I had brought sugar-free pumpkin cheesecake, so I could have a decent amount of dessert.)
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