Robert Miles wrote: > None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained > anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting > up these filter rules.
More efficient to let a Bayesian classifier do this sort of checking for you. But do any newsreaders do that? Thunderbird could, with some minor code changes, but I don't have the time to do it and the regular developers don't want to.
> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all > posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've > seen mentioned only in spam?
The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another news*reader*.)
[...]
-- Frank "Only if you change the *question*, the answer might change!" Slootweg
Ozlover wrote: > Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >> seen mentioned only in spam?
> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a > totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue > to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And > in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another > news*reader*.)
Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
-- Wes Groleau
There ain't no right wing, there ain't no left wing. There's only you and me and we just disagree. (apologies to Jim Krueger)
Robert Miles wrote: > "BDR529" <jake> wrote in message > news:4aec0603$0$83244$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >> noego wrote: > [snip] >> The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I >> learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
>> 1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The >> fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of weight >> loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI 25.
>> 2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood >> pressure meter is a sleep meter.
>> The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and >> rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
>> The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
>> Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all > posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've > seen mentioned only in spam? Windows Mail won't, and I'm thinking > of switching to another newsreader that can import the hundreds of > thousands of posts I've already downloaded, partly filtered, and then > haven't got around to reading.
> I just filtered out hundreds of unread messages from this newsgroup > by telling Windows Mail to discard all messages where the from line > contains any of the following (with a few spaces to be deleted):
> @ 126 . com > @ 163 . com > @ sina . com > @ yeah . net
> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained > anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting > up these filter rules.
> Robert Miles
Personally I like thunderbird because it has effective message filters and also tools to ignore or watch threads.
But trolls can be rather inventive to bypass the filters. I wouldn't want this newsgroup messages to pass my mail filters. For e-mail I use spamcop.
BDR529 wrote: > Robert Miles wrote: >> "BDR529" <jake> wrote in message >> news:4aec0603$0$83244$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >>> noego wrote: >> [snip] >>> The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I >>> learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
>>> 1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The >>> fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of weight >>> loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI 25.
>>> 2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood >>> pressure meter is a sleep meter.
>>> The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and >>> rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
>>> The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
>>> Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >> seen mentioned only in spam? Windows Mail won't, and I'm thinking >> of switching to another newsreader that can import the hundreds of >> thousands of posts I've already downloaded, partly filtered, and then >> haven't got around to reading.
>> I just filtered out hundreds of unread messages from this newsgroup >> by telling Windows Mail to discard all messages where the from line >> contains any of the following (with a few spaces to be deleted):
>> @ 126 . com >> @ 163 . com >> @ sina . com >> @ yeah . net
>> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained >> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting >> up these filter rules.
>> Robert Miles
> Personally I like thunderbird because it has effective message filters > and also tools to ignore or watch threads.
> But trolls can be rather inventive to bypass the filters. I wouldn't > want this newsgroup messages to pass my mail filters. For e-mail I use > spamcop.
Tiger Lily wrote: > BDR529 wrote: >> Robert Miles wrote: >>> "BDR529" <jake> wrote in message >>> news:4aec0603$0$83244$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >>>> noego wrote: >>> [snip] >>>> The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I >>>> learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
>>>> 1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The >>>> fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of >>>> weight >>>> loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI 25.
>>>> 2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood >>>> pressure meter is a sleep meter.
>>>> The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and >>>> rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
>>>> The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
>>>> Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>> seen mentioned only in spam? Windows Mail won't, and I'm thinking >>> of switching to another newsreader that can import the hundreds of >>> thousands of posts I've already downloaded, partly filtered, and then >>> haven't got around to reading.
>>> I just filtered out hundreds of unread messages from this newsgroup >>> by telling Windows Mail to discard all messages where the from line >>> contains any of the following (with a few spaces to be deleted):
>>> @ 126 . com >>> @ 163 . com >>> @ sina . com >>> @ yeah . net
>>> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained >>> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting >>> up these filter rules.
>>> Robert Miles
>> Personally I like thunderbird because it has effective message filters >> and also tools to ignore or watch threads.
>> But trolls can be rather inventive to bypass the filters. I wouldn't >> want this newsgroup messages to pass my mail filters. For e-mail I use >> spamcop.
>> Q
> i use mailwasher, which uses spamcop
> how do you set up e-mail with spamcop?
Mailwasher does work on the PC, but I found that it is too cumbersome on the long run. One time my own ISP thought I was infected because of the spam forwarding by mailwasher to spamcop. That was the time to say goodbye to mailwasher and to do it differently.
It is simplier easier to tell all your e-mail providers to forward all incoming e-mail to spamcop and to read it at spamcop.
So I took the spamcop mail full account where I report all spam once of twice per day. They also offer imap which makes it flexible for accessing everywhere.
Then in thunderbird you enable the offline downloads like apple mail does. All junk mail folders are the held mail folders on spamcop. etc.
BDR529 wrote: > Tiger Lily wrote: >> BDR529 wrote: >>> Robert Miles wrote: >>>> "BDR529" <jake> wrote in message >>>> news:4aec0603$0$83244$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >>>>> noego wrote: >>>> [snip] >>>>> The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I >>>>> learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
>>>>> 1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The >>>>> fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of >>>>> weight >>>>> loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI >>>>> 25.
>>>>> 2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood >>>>> pressure meter is a sleep meter.
>>>>> The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and >>>>> rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
>>>>> The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
>>>>> Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>> seen mentioned only in spam? Windows Mail won't, and I'm thinking >>>> of switching to another newsreader that can import the hundreds of >>>> thousands of posts I've already downloaded, partly filtered, and then >>>> haven't got around to reading.
>>>> I just filtered out hundreds of unread messages from this newsgroup >>>> by telling Windows Mail to discard all messages where the from line >>>> contains any of the following (with a few spaces to be deleted):
>>>> @ 126 . com >>>> @ 163 . com >>>> @ sina . com >>>> @ yeah . net
>>>> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained >>>> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting >>>> up these filter rules.
>>>> Robert Miles
>>> Personally I like thunderbird because it has effective message >>> filters and also tools to ignore or watch threads.
>>> But trolls can be rather inventive to bypass the filters. I wouldn't >>> want this newsgroup messages to pass my mail filters. For e-mail I >>> use spamcop.
>>> Q
>> i use mailwasher, which uses spamcop
>> how do you set up e-mail with spamcop?
> Mailwasher does work on the PC, but I found that it is too cumbersome on > the long run. One time my own ISP thought I was infected because of the > spam forwarding by mailwasher to spamcop. That was the time to say > goodbye to mailwasher and to do it differently.
> It is simplier easier to tell all your e-mail providers to forward all > incoming e-mail to spamcop and to read it at spamcop.
> So I took the spamcop mail full account where I report all spam once of > twice per day. They also offer imap which makes it flexible for > accessing everywhere.
> Then in thunderbird you enable the offline downloads like apple mail > does. All junk mail folders are the held mail folders on spamcop. etc.
Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: > Ozlover wrote: > > Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: > >> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all > >> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've > >> seen mentioned only in spam?
> > The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a > > totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue > > to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And > > in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another > > news*reader*.)
> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since > "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these > newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve a(nother) newsREADER.
Robert also knows that, or better, he does not WANT to know that. He rather keeps whining about 'problems' which only exist in his head, not in the real world. Apparently some people rather have problems than solutions.
FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers and they prove that one of Robert's 'problems' doesn't exist. The other one also doesn't exist and has been disproven countless times as well.
Ozlover <t...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: > [...]
> > As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all > > posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've > > seen mentioned only in spam?
> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a > totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue > to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And > in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another > news*reader*.)
Ozlover wrote: > Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: >> Ozlover wrote: >>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>> seen mentioned only in spam? >>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a >>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue >>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And >>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another >>> news*reader*.) >> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since >> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these >> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve > a(nother) newsREADER.
There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is another question.
xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may also want to look at knode, tin etc.
Many usenet reader tools were developed a while ago when http was in its infancy. The older software often lacks a windows look and feel, but, they are certainly more efficient in filtering compared to outlook or thunderbird.
Nowadays most kids join facebook, linkedin or hyves, usenet is unknown to them.
> Robert also knows that, or better, he does not WANT to know that. He > rather keeps whining about 'problems' which only exist in his head, not > in the real world. Apparently some people rather have problems than > solutions.
> FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers and they prove that > one of Robert's 'problems' doesn't exist. The other one also doesn't > exist and has been disproven countless times as well.
misc.health.diabetes BDR529 <jake> wrote: > Ozlover wrote: > > Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: > >> Ozlover wrote: > >>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: > >>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all > >>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've > >>>> seen mentioned only in spam? > >>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a > >>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue > >>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And > >>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another > >>> news*reader*.) > >> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since > >> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these > >> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
> > I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve > > a(nother) newsREADER.
> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to > outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is > another question.
["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them either.
> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may > also want to look at knode, tin etc.
No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista, <whatever>.
[...]
BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume your Mac isn't either! :-)
Ozlover wrote: > misc.health.diabetes BDR529 <jake> wrote: >> Ozlover wrote: >>> Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: >>>> Ozlover wrote: >>>>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >>>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>>>> seen mentioned only in spam? >>>>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a >>>>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue >>>>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And >>>>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another >>>>> news*reader*.) >>>> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since >>>> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these >>>> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked. >>> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve >>> a(nother) newsREADER. >> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to >> outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is >> another question.
> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
> I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes > programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when > such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them > either.
>> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may >> also want to look at knode, tin etc.
> No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista, > <whatever>.
> [...]
> BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them > very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume > your Mac isn't either! :-)
> Groetjes,
> Frank Slootweg
Beste Frank, ik heet niet Robert Miles. Ik weet niet wat thunderbird allemaal uitspookt op een Mac, dit is weer op een PC ingetikt.
Q
-- Type-2 diabetes since July 2009, 1000 mg/day metformin, BMI 26.3
BDR-529 <el@wood> wrote: > Ozlover wrote: > > misc.health.diabetes BDR529 <jake> wrote: > >> Ozlover wrote: > >>> Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: > >>>> Ozlover wrote: > >>>>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: > >>>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all > >>>>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've > >>>>>> seen mentioned only in spam? > >>>>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a > >>>>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue > >>>>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And > >>>>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another > >>>>> news*reader*.) > >>>> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since > >>>> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these > >>>> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked. > >>> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve > >>> a(nother) newsREADER. > >> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to > >> outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is > >> another question.
> > ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
> > I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes > > programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when > > such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them > > either.
> >> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may > >> also want to look at knode, tin etc.
> > No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista, > > <whatever>.
> > [...]
> > BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them > > very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume > > your Mac isn't either! :-)
> > Groetjes,
> > Frank Slootweg
> Beste Frank, ik heet niet Robert Miles. Ik weet niet wat thunderbird > allemaal uitspookt op een Mac, dit is weer op een PC ingetikt.
Yes, I know that you're not Robert Miles. But in your previous post you attributed with "Ozlover wrote:" and then said "you", i.e. you were implicitly referring to me. Since that was obviously not your intention, I added my
> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
preamble before responding. OTOH, in another group I'm currently "Dave", so may be you *are* Robert Miles, but just don't realize it! :-)
Your last quote looks OK, so it looks as if Thunderbird has a problem on your Mac, while it's OK on your PC [1]. There *must* be something wrong with this picture, because normally these things are the other way around! :-)
Ozlover wrote: > BDR-529 <el@wood> wrote: >> Ozlover wrote: >>> misc.health.diabetes BDR529 <jake> wrote: >>>> Ozlover wrote: >>>>> Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: >>>>>> Ozlover wrote: >>>>>>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>>>>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>>>>>> seen mentioned only in spam? >>>>>>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a >>>>>>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue >>>>>>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And >>>>>>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another >>>>>>> news*reader*.) >>>>>> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since >>>>>> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these >>>>>> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked. >>>>> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve >>>>> a(nother) newsREADER. >>>> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to >>>> outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is >>>> another question. >>> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
>>> I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes >>> programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when >>> such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them >>> either.
>>>> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may >>>> also want to look at knode, tin etc. >>> No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista, >>> <whatever>.
>>> [...]
>>> BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them >>> very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume >>> your Mac isn't either! :-)
>>> Groetjes,
>>> Frank Slootweg >> Beste Frank, ik heet niet Robert Miles. Ik weet niet wat thunderbird >> allemaal uitspookt op een Mac, dit is weer op een PC ingetikt.
> Yes, I know that you're not Robert Miles. But in your previous post > you attributed with "Ozlover wrote:" and then said "you", i.e. you were > implicitly referring to me. Since that was obviously not your intention, > I added my
>> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
> preamble before responding. OTOH, in another group I'm currently "Dave", > so may be you *are* Robert Miles, but just don't realize it! :-)
> Your last quote looks OK, so it looks as if Thunderbird has a problem > on your Mac, while it's OK on your PC [1]. There *must* be something > wrong with this picture, because normally these things are the other way > around! :-)
> [1] Does that mean a Mac is not a PC!? :-)
I have both, and sometimes I switch between the one and the other.
Q
-- Type-2 diabetes since July 2009, 1000 mg/day metformin, BMI 26.3
> I have both, and sometimes I switch between the one and the other.
I realize that, however my point/pun/joke/<whatever> was that a Mac is also a PC (as in: Personal Computer), just not a *MS-Windows* one, hence the smiley.
One or more of us is misunderstanding one or more of us. :-)
Now, here's what I _thought_ happened:
Robert wants to filter out posts that mention a particular web page.
Frank says there is a way, but it's not another newsreader, and Robert has been told what it is.
Wes guesses that Robert's newsreader might, like most others, not be able to filter based on the body (which is where such a "mention" would occur. But since there exist more than a dozen newsreaders that Wes has never tried, Wes guesses that one of them _might_ be able to do what Robert wants.
Frank says > I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve > a(nother) newsREADER.
Which Wes thinks means either that Frank knows NO newsreader can do it, or that Frank did not understand Wes's intent.
And Frank says: > FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers
And Wes looks at the headers and sees not a hint of how to filter out posts based on a URI in the body.
So, now that I have further explained my thoughts and perceptions (or misperceptions), exactly what ARE we talking about?
Ozlover wrote: > Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: >> Ozlover wrote: >>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>> seen mentioned only in spam? >>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a >>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue >>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And >>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another >>> news*reader*.) >> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since >> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these >> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve > a(nother) newsREADER.
> Robert also knows that, or better, he does not WANT to know that. He > rather keeps whining about 'problems' which only exist in his head, not > in the real world. Apparently some people rather have problems than > solutions.
> FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers and they prove that > one of Robert's 'problems' doesn't exist. The other one also doesn't > exist and has been disproven countless times as well.
BDR-529 wrote: > Ozlover wrote: >> misc.health.diabetes BDR529 <jake> wrote: >>> Ozlover wrote: >>>> Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: >>>>> Ozlover wrote: >>>>>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >>>>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>>>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>>>>> seen mentioned only in spam? >>>>>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a >>>>>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue >>>>>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And >>>>>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another >>>>>> news*reader*.) >>>>> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since >>>>> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these >>>>> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked. >>>> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve >>>> a(nother) newsREADER. >>> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to >>> outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is >>> another question. >> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
>> I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes >> programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when >> such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them >> either.
>>> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may >>> also want to look at knode, tin etc. >> No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista, >> <whatever>.
>> [...]
>> BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them >> very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume >> your Mac isn't either! :-)
>> Groetjes,
>> Frank Slootweg
> Beste Frank, ik heet niet Robert Miles. Ik weet niet wat thunderbird > allemaal uitspookt op een Mac, dit is weer op een PC ingetikt.
> Q
English Translation:
Dear Frank, my name is not Robert Miles. I do not know what thunderbird> all uitspookt on a Mac, this is again typed on a PC.
BDR-529 wrote: > Ozlover wrote: >> misc.health.diabetes BDR529 <jake> wrote: >>> Ozlover wrote: >>>> Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: >>>>> Ozlover wrote: >>>>>> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: >>>>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >>>>>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >>>>>>> seen mentioned only in spam? >>>>>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a >>>>>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue >>>>>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And >>>>>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another >>>>>> news*reader*.) >>>>> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since >>>>> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these >>>>> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked. >>>> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve >>>> a(nother) newsREADER. >>> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to >>> outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is >>> another question. >> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
>> I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes >> programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when >> such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them >> either.
>>> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may >>> also want to look at knode, tin etc. >> No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista, >> <whatever>.
>> [...]
>> BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them >> very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume >> your Mac isn't either! :-)
>> Groetjes,
>> Frank Slootweg
> Beste Frank, ik heet niet Robert Miles. Ik weet niet wat thunderbird > allemaal uitspookt op een Mac, dit is weer op een PC ingetikt.
> Q
Ok, the proper translation is:
Dear Frank, I'm not Robert Miles. I don't know what the heck is going on with Thunderbird on a Mac, this was again typed in on a PC.
Q
-- Type-2 diabetes since July 2009, 1000 mg/day metformin, BMI 26.3
Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote: > One or more of us is misunderstanding one or more of us. :-)
A misunderstanding!? On *Usenet*!? *Can't* happen! :-)
> Now, here's what I _thought_ happened: [...] > Frank says > > I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve > > a(nother) newsREADER.
> Which Wes thinks means either that Frank knows NO newsreader can do it,
No, Frank does not know if there is no such newsreader. Anyway, one can't prove a negative and that also goes for semi-gods like Frank.
> or that Frank did not understand Wes's intent.
Or that Wes was babbling unclearly? But 'seriously', no Frank didn't understand your intent, but he does now. (He's somewhat slow on the uptake, give him a break.)
> And Frank says: > > FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers
> And Wes looks at the headers and sees not a hint of how to filter out > posts based on a URI in the body.
The name (and version) of the *additional* software to use is in Frank's "User-Agent:" header, and no, it's *not* a rat.
> So, now that I have further explained my thoughts and perceptions > (or misperceptions), exactly what ARE we talking about?
Well, as usual, Frank is talking bollocks. What about you?
In article <80roe55o80qnp0dtnqckdod6fc95mf3...@4ax.com>,
Sleepyman <d...@bother.com> wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:15:14 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de> > wrote:
> >This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America. The > >USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one somehow or, > >if desperate, make one.
> That, is just plain silly.
Then how do we justify spending half of the world's military budget?
> _________________________________ > Sleepy
> Since Light travels faster than Sound, > people appear brighter before you hear them speak.
-- "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:56:10 -0400, Sleepyman wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:15:14 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de> > wrote:
>>This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America. >>The USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one >>somehow or, if desperate, make one.
> That, is just plain silly.
Nope, fearing the bogey man is universal. helps keep the team together and focused.
> Robert Miles wrote: >> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained >> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting >> up these filter rules.
> More efficient to let a Bayesian classifier > do this sort of checking for you. But do any > newsreaders do that? Thunderbird could, with > some minor code changes, but I don't have the > time to do it and the regular developers > don't want to.
> -- > Wes Groleau
What computer language is it written in? I might be able to find the time, IF I don't have to learn a new computer language first.
> Robert Miles <robertmi...@teranews.com> wrote: > [...]
>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all >> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've >> seen mentioned only in spam?
> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a > totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue > to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And > in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another > news*reader*.)
> [...]
I HAVE forgotten the answer.
If it's a posts filter program, I've already found the following:
Only two such programs are compatible with Windows Vista.
NewsProxy (also known as nfilter) can only filter on the header lines that the newsgroups server sends in response to the XOVER command, and is therefore not suitable for filtering on the body of the message.
Hamlet MAY be suitable. I haven't found enough documentation in English to tell yet.
I do NOT intend to switch to a web site for reading the newsgroups if it won't let me save all the already read messages I want to keep (thousands so far).
I haven't seen any sign that the Windows Mail newsreader can filter on the newsgroups line without first moving the messages to storage folders and therefore losing the ability to send replies.
Switching to the news.individual.net news server gets rid of SOME of the spam and kook messages, but not enough.
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