Message from discussion Scientology: Why Doesn't It Work?

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From: Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: Scientology: Why Doesn't It Work?
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
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On Jul 4, 2:32=A0pm, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 Juli, 13:08, SMASHERKARL <k...@atheist.com> wrote:
>
> > "Now, before all you Scientologists get your knickers in a twist, I'm
> > not talking about personal, subjective experiences. These kinds of
> > things happen to almost everyone for any number of reasons and can't
> > be proven or disproven. That's not what this article is about.
>
> > I'm talking about all the stuff that the Scientology technology is
> > very explicitly supposed to accomplish in the world. Why doesn't that
> > work?
>
> Simple to answer.
>
>
>
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> > For example: All Scientologists are required to do the "PTS/SP
> > Course". The full, actual name of the course is the "How to Confront
> > and Shatter Suppression - PTS/SP Course". Most Scientologists today
> > have actually done this course.
>
> > PTS=3D"Potential Trouble Source", someone connected to an SP.
> > SP=3D"Suppressive Person", someone who, for instance, attacks
> > Miscavige's Church of Scientology.
>
> > So, do any Scientologists actually confront anything that might upset
> > them? Do any Scientologists look at and confront any opposition to
> > Miscavige's church? Scientologists don't look at any media that might
> > mention negative things about Scientology. Scientologists carefully
> > avoid most of the Internet. When the Anonymous protests take place
> > near any Church of Scientology, Scientologists run and hide.
> > Scientologists cover the windows and hunker down, waiting for the
> > protesters to go away. Where is the confront?
>
> Indeed. But I don't avoid the Internet, and I have gone to those
> Anonymousts and have spoken to them at such time they were still
> around.
>
>
>
> > And don't even mention "shatter". If graduates of the PTS/SP Course
> > could "shatter suppression", there wouldn't be any protests, would
> > there? All the negative information about Miscavige and his church
> > would simply go away. But that hasn't worked either, has it?
>
> Studying something doesn't guarantee the understanding of it. You can
> limit no-understanding with some study guidelines however still there
> is no guarantee.
>
>
>
> > No confront. No "shattering." Virtually all Scientologists have
> > "learned" this technology but the promised results just aren't
> > happening.
>
> > Why doesn't Scientology work?
>
> Because you are dealing with people, however this doesn't have to
> include that the subject does not work. Wrong assumption.
>
>
>
> > Contrary to what one might expect, Scientologists really do know there
> > are problems in the Church of Scientology. They even talk about it
> > with each other. While they don't see the big picture, they see the
> > local manifestations.
>
> > They see the local problems, but they believe that things are better
> > elsewhere; things are better for other Scientologists.
>
> That is non-Scientology think...
>
> And you ramble along, but offer no argumentation that in fact finds
> wrong with the subject itself. You describe people and the things they
> have done with it and enforce an evaluation on that. That will not cut
> it I fear.
>
>
>
>
>
> > And they expect that, sooner or later, someone will notice that things
> > are going bad for this Scientologist, or things aren't going well with
> > this local church -- and someone will come and fix it.
>
> > And these loyal Scientologists carefully write up reports, sometimes
> > to "RTC", sometimes to David Miscavige, sometimes to someone else who
> > is "in charge". They carefully look up the policies, they carefully
> > document all their problems, they carefully present their information,
> > they carefully suggest what should be done -- then they wait.
>
> > And they wait.
>
> > And the problems persist and get worse.
>
> > So they carefully write it all up again. And they carefully send it
> > "up lines" again.
>
> > Surely this time, someone will read their report, see the horrible
> > misapplication of Hubbard's policies or technology, and they will fix
> > it. It's obvious what is wrong. It's obvious what should be done. All
> > it takes is that one person in authority reads their careful report
> > and sends the proper orders.
>
> See, there you go. You find in fact no wrong with the subject, but
> find fault with those 'people'...
>
> RR
>
>
>
> > But it doesn't happen. Scientologists all over the world are having
> > serious problems, they are carefully writing up their reports and
> > sending them "up lines" to RTC or Miscavige or someone in authority --
> > and nothing is getting corrected. Why?
>
> > Why doesn't Scientology work?
>
> > Quite a few years ago, OT VIII was released. It was heralded as the
> > "first true OT level". While David Miscavige, himself, has been unable
> > to attain this level, many other Scientologists have. Some of them are
> > still in Scientology and are still working to support Scientology.
>
> > But where are the results of these "true OTs" who are supporting
> > Scientology? These OTs are supposed to be far beyond anything that has
> > ever existed on this planet. These OTs are supposed to be incredibly
> > effective. Around such OTs, things "just go right". Yes?
>
> > No.
>
> > But why? Why is so much going so wrong for the Church of Scientology?
> > Why is it such a struggle for Miscavige and his church? Why have so
> > many OT VIIIs dropped out of sight, left the church, moved away?
>
> > Why doesn't Scientology work?
>
> > Scientology is supposed to be fun. Scientology is supposed to increase
> > communication, increase ARC, increase a person's ability to face
> > difficulties. Scientologists are supposed to end up flourishing and
> > prospering. Scientologists are supposed to be happy. Scientologists
> > are supposed to be more connected with people.
>
> > ARC: Scientology acronym for Affinity, Reality, Communication, which
> > equals Understanding.
> > I'm sure there are brief moments of happiness for many Scientologists,
> > but, in general, none of this is happening. There is very little fun,
> > very little happiness, not much flourishing or prospering. As a rule,
> > Scientologists withdraw from friends, family, and society. Being
> > involved in Scientology is not supposed to make one's life more of a
> > struggle, but this is exactly what happens. Life, for Scientologists,
> > just becomes harder, grimmer and more guilt-laden.
>
> > The difference between what is promised by Miscavige's Church of
> > Scientology and what actually happens is stark. Why?
>
> > Why doesn't Scientology work?
>
> > And don't look at the colossal failure of Miscavige to get all
> > churches to the "size of old Saint Hill". Don't look at Miscavige's
> > failure to complete his "SuperPower building" in Clearwater. Don't
> > look at the failure of the "Ideal Org" campaign which has caused
> > untold problems for the local churches.
>
> > It doesn't take any effort at all to see that Scientology is not
> > working. Things are not going well at all. It is obvious.
>
> > It takes a tremendous amount of effort, continuous effort, to keep not
> > seeing this -- to make excuses, to hide from the facts, to grit your
> > teeth and see the illusion and not the reality. Being a Scientologist
> > today is a lot of work -- and none of it is fun.
>
> > And the bottom-line question that Scientologists must not ask is:
> > Why doesn't Scientology work?"
>
> > Posted by Just Bill
>
> >http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2008/12/scientology-why-doesn...

Roadrunner.

There are no OT's

Admin Tech is a chaotic failure.

Critics are running the show.

What would it take for you to start asking questions?!?