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Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

ppieni...@gmail.com (Patty Pieniadz) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 08:36:31 UT

Same old bla bla bla bullcrap. As I have told you before, you are a
liar and you have no proof of what you accuse me of. Here is the post
I've said I would reply with everytime you stalk me and post these
lies
[link]
ps: Only in your own mind are you a legend.
I see our xian Mary continues to spread love, tolerance and brotherhood

Re: roadrunner, please reply

peterschi...@gmail.com (Peter Schilte) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 07:35:04 UT

Word games, Michel. Because why boasting about the periods of your
studies and the responses you receive on your website?
Childish and immature again.
Peter
"That which works in $cientology
is not unique to $cientology,
and that which is unique to $cientology
does not work."
- Prufrock
[link]

Re: roadrunner, please reply

peterschi...@gmail.com (Peter Schilte) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 07:30:31 UT

Your findings say one thing only: You are by far not the great
researcher you want everybody to believe you are.
You ignore facts and results of research simply because they don't fit
your mindset on evolution.
Considering that, it makes all your other researches and your
conclusions based on them rather worthless.

Sex: Monica Pignotti and Steve Hassan

cri...@ecn.org (Anonymous) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 16:42:32 UT

OMG.
Let's hope for the sake of all Steve is on top as Monica would surely squish him like a pancake.
Setting a better example,
Fainites Barley (Pierre Ethier Mix)

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

ho...@lightlink.com — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:50:29 UT

Thanks for that.
And your Grade and Class level attained in the Church?
Homer

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

ho...@lightlink.com — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:49:14 UT

Hi Zinj,
Thanks for writing.
Would you mind telling me your involvement in the church
and the Grade and Class levels attained?
Thanks Homer

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

ho...@lightlink.com — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:47:45 UT

Cool. Did anyone getting formal training complain or
resent that your training was 'informal?'
Homer

Re: Recovery

doorman.f...@googlemail.com (Richard Ford) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:44:32 UT

Very interesting, Slarty.
I wrote an article of recovering scientologists and paranoia. I
pointed out that some of them see OSA secret agents everywhere.
Your response?
You tell me I am an OSA secret agent!
An own goal I think...

Re: Yet another "expansion" in floor space -- Commerce, CA

xxxxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx (Lawrence) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:30:27 UT

Correction: Phil Seiflein , but Kristi's page is down
so you can't check out his stats.

Re: The thread: what changed your mind about L. Ron Hubbard is completely ridiculous

doorman.f...@googlemail.com (Richard Ford) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:29:22 UT

Barbra needs to look at her own motivations for posting this stuff. It
may be for some sense of significance or it may be to reenforce her
internal delusions. Either way it is NOT to convince others of
anything.
She is happy in her own little world.

Re: Yet another "expansion" in floor space -- Commerce, CA

xxxxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx (Lawrence) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:24:11 UT

Oh and by the way.
I used to work in the Gray Moss Inn, across the street
from the Fort Harrison where that Super Power building now is.
I know for a fact they got quite a bargain, and I want to repeat
that, quite a bargain for all of the real estate on the whole BLOCK
the Super Power Building replaced. I remember the exact day

Re: Is Scientology a religion?

real...@aol.com (realpch) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:07:34 UT

I have plenty of useful things to say but they go right over your head!
Peach

Re: Yet another "expansion" in floor space -- Commerce, CA

real...@aol.com (realpch) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 05:01:24 UT

Yeah, but this is a printing facility. So the Church is actually
springing for it without trying to make the members pay for it?
Peach

Tigger-How about some REAL answers?

cri...@ecn.org (Anonymous) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 15:11:35 UT

Shirley Jean,
When are you going to come clean?
Tell us about how much money Patricia Greenway and Peter Alexander stole.
Tell us how much Greenway pays you to post here and do other things for her.

More Proof of Eldon Braun's Failure

nob...@mixmaster.it (George Orwell) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 15:07:33 UT

The 2009 Wizards video is hilarious.
"om padme mani hum" - Harry had to float for 2 weeks to get that?
What's with all of the costumes and dancing? Looks very 1980s.
Eldon, you were a fool to believe Scientology.
Eldon, you were a fool to believe Avatar.
Eldon, you were a fool not to be able to figure out how to do your own ripoff without having Harry and Avra hand you your dick in court.

Re: Did you know Bill Franks ran Scientology for a bit?

formerlyfoo...@yahoo.com (Out_Of_The_Dark) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 04:28:36 UT

Poor Bill Franks. I was around when he became ED Int and I was also
around when he was removed from post. I don't know what others were
told but as a nonstaff at the time, I and others with me were told by
Lymon Spurlock and Diana Hubbard that he'd gotten progressive cancer
of the mouth. This was before the declare notice came out, of course.

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

mago...@charter.net (Magoo) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 03:58:13 UT

May he rest in peace......or knowing Alan....he's busy dancing
with the angels a' high :) My love to allllllllllllllll his friends and
family. :)
Tory/Magoo

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

mago...@charter.net (Magoo) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 03:52:51 UT

Homer, my condolences to you on the loss of your friend. There's a
nice thread on ESMB started by Dart Smohen, with lots of kind
responses from the posters who knewAlan from there.
[link]
Mary McConnell

Re: Did you know Bill Franks ran Scientology for a bit?

androidca...@hotmail.com (Android Cat) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 03:36:33 UT

Yeah, he was part of the wave of exes suing Scientology in the 80s.
Church Seeks Influence in Schools, Business, Science
June 27, 1990, Robert W. Welkos, Los Angeles Times
[link]
Defectors Recount Lives of Hard Work, Punishment
June 26, 1990, Robert W. Welkos, Los Angeles Times

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

skipspampr...@yahoo.not (Skipper) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 03:26:48 UT

In article
<df2df0f0-8155-4c38-9950-426b1 664a...@p23g2000vbl.googlegrou ps.com>,
There you go again, you piece of shit.
You can't be specific about anything, so it's just "same old bullcrap."
I countered a specific LIE you told and you won't even address it. Next
time I run into you, remind me that I can't smack you because you're

Re: Anyone else having a problem w/ TruthAboutScientology.com ?

xxxxxxx...@xxxxx.xxx (Lawrence) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 03:01:43 UT

Who's site is that?

Re: Book Sales standings Scientology International, recent, Nov 09

hptt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk (Hartley Patterson) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 03:01:15 UT

That might be interesting, but without some background...
What is the above?
Were all the shops under equal pressure to do something about it?
The Continental Divisions has Italy strangely floated away from Europe.
But what are those numbers - they aren't totals from the individual shops
below.

Re: Dandar Disqualification Hearings Lost Again?

tiggerinthe...@webtv.net (Tigger) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:50:02 UT

Great! Kudos to the person (people) who mirrored and saved them.
Tigger

Did you know Bill Franks ran Scientology for a bit?

cult...@gmail.com (cultxpt) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:49:21 UT

[link]
but then;
[link]
then after his stint in RPF, he picketed Flag! He also testified in
Lisa McPherson case. Interesting history there.

Anyone else having a problem w/ TruthAboutScientology.com ?

formerlyfoo...@yahoo.com (Out_Of_The_Dark) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:47:47 UT

Anyone else having a problem w/ TruthAboutScientology.com ?
[link]
If so, someone know how to contact Kristi to inform her?
I tried several times this week and it's saying a 403 message.

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

formerlyfoo...@yahoo.com (Out_Of_The_Dark) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:35:36 UT

According to an email I received from Logan he contacted Rathbun and
reached out to him, despite what had been done to him by Rathbun.
Perhaps he was trying to get some connection to the past, as he was
quite devastated for many years because of the enforced separation
from Annie.
Maybe Logan was thinking, any connection is better than no connection?

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

formerlyfoo...@yahoo.com (Out_Of_The_Dark) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:30:58 UT

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

p...@philscott.net (phil scott) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:27:21 UT

I dont keep any scn books,.. those two references are quite comonly
known among scn's
along with dozens of other bits of insanity spread all over ars by
various web sites with detailed
references for fifteen years now.... hubbard died completely insane,
his spawn is criminally insane.
I will not spend any time trying to reprove the already established

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

p...@philscott.net (phil scott) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 02:20:55 UT

and I will assert than any effort expended to save the insane cult is
more than a waste of
time, it is a waste of human life.... scn needs to sink back into
the pit from which it came
and fragments of validity will float to the top... or be discovered by
reverse engineering as Ive
done
there is about five percent signficant advance in scn but few are

Re: Thetans without bodies, you can find then anywhere and right in your neighborhood

spa...@yahoo.com (Rod) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:48:28 UT

Barbara, I won't kid you..I think they are nothing more than dust
particles, but as I said above I'll take your dare. IF I'm wrong
I'll admit it.

Ideal Thetan environment

ohbejoy...@congregation.net (Pastor William Rennick) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:48:01 UT

The ideal environment for a Thetan in one in which he has absolute control
over engrams. Such an environment can exist. In order to control engrams the
Thetan must be able to alter the energy field that surrounds him. He must be
able to control the phase, amplitude, frequency and modes of his energy

Re: Thetans without bodies, you can find then anywhere and right in your neighborhood

spa...@yahoo.com (Rod) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:46:06 UT

Nothing wrong with it except it has yet to be proven...but yes,
I'll take your dare. IF you are right I'll be the first to admit
to it, but if you are wrong I won't be the first to have told
you, but I'll make you one promise now, I'll never lie about it.

Re: EARTH IN ASCENSION - FIRST CONTACT IS IMMINENT

g...@example.com (Stealth Tuba) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:41:45 UT

If you're short of money for a comet-ticket, I'm sure that many people would
donate.

Re: Dandar Disqualification Hearings Lost Again?

he...@nowhere.invalid (henri) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:40:46 UT

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:38:53 -0800 (PST), Tigger
Those files are still at the new mirror of whyaretheydead at
[link]
and [link] with two trivial
corrections.

EARTH IN ASCENSION - FIRST CONTACT IS IMMINENT

eddy_...@hotmail.com (666) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:33:52 UT

EARTH IN ASCENSION - FIRST CONTACT IS IMMINENT
Dear God's Children,
Finally, the Moment of Truth has arrived. For 13 millennium years
living in ignorance, it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is
your "salvation" nearer than you believed.
"First Contact" to take place sooner than expected and your World

Re: Alan Walter-Source of IRC Logs?

tiggerinthe...@webtv.net (Tigger) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:33:37 UT

Naw....it was generated by a random brain misfiring due to loose
screws.
Tigger

Book Sales standings Scientology International, recent, Nov 09

chuckbeatt...@aol.com (chuckbeatty77 @aol.com) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:31:08 UT

=============================
INTERNATIONAL TOTAL: 2,367
=============================
=============================
CONT STANDINGS:
=============================
1 EU 510
2 ANZO 448
3 LATAM 343
4 EUS 341
5 ITALY 258
6 WUS 152
7 CIS 133
8 AF 126
9 UK 56
============================
ORG STANDINGS:
=============================

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

skipspampr...@yahoo.not (Skipper) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:11 UT

Service facs don't exist, but you probably have one held in place that
will make you defend their existence. ;-)

Re: Thetans and Cosmology

ohbejoy...@congregation.net (Pastor William Rennick) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:57:32 UT

This is absolutely true.
Scientists measured gravity which is believed to penetrate all objects and
is not absorbed or reflected. Gravity is tied to mass. Light and radiation
have nothing to do with the missing mass. The Cosmic Background Radiation
(CBR) could be highly scattered radiation. Suppose you are standing in a fog

Re: Dandar Disqualification Hearings Lost Again?

androidca...@hotmail.com (Android Cat) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:53:10 UT

I think I have a copy of most of the site, just not online--in fact, I might
have several sites copied! When the domain expired, the site was still up
and a tweak to hosts allowed access, so quickly I fired up a copier and let
it run and didn't check afterwards. It seems to have crawled to sites

Re: Barbara Schwarz is Such a Good-Spirited and Caring Woman.

h...@mailinator.com (husk) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:51:03 UT

On Nov 30, 3:02 pm, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com >
wrote:
......
.......
With characters like Greg it is easy to formulate a negative opinion
of what it is to be a Christian.
Let's look at the Parable of the Unforgivivg Servant
[link]

Re: Dandar Disqualification Hearings Lost Again?

rh...@raymondhill.net (R. Hill) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:46:57 UT

This?
[link]

Re: Thetans and Cosmology

n...@noreps.com (Lurkie) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:39:56 UT

Seems to me that scientists can only observe the light and radiation
particles that have successfully traveled
many years without being reflected by colliding with objects in its path
such as asteroids , space particles , planets , stars or radiation from
stars in its path to the observer not to mention space ships. :)

Re: Barbara Schwarz is Such a Mean-Spirited and Cruel Woman.

h...@mailinator.com (husk) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:28:24 UT

.......
Yes, yes she does.
I am at a loss as to why she would rebuff such a man as yourself.
It is such a mystery.

Re: roadrunner, please reply

ladyas...@comcast.net (Kat) — Tue, 12 Dec 2009 00:16:01 UT

Do you have any response that doesn't involve you accusing others of
what you are guilty of yourself? At least I look at evidence that
might challenge my ideals, you refuse to.

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

ho...@lightlink.com — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 23:54:27 UT

I recall no such comment that cigarettes cure cancer, only that a
being in present time can smoke safely.
I recall no such comment about baby milk or barely water.
Certainly not in the tech dictionary which I have read a number of
times, but if its there I would like a pointer to page.

Re: Impassioned Love Letter to Barbara

roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com (Roadrunner) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 23:53:50 UT

On 30 Nov, 21:16, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com >
wrote:
Barbara, just ignore the guy, he will go away. His only goal is to
provoke you.
RR

Re: roadrunner, please reply

roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com (Roadrunner) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 23:48:24 UT

On 30 Nov, 23:07, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.co m>
wrote:
Thank you, I pretty much operate on these terms yes.
RR

Re: roadrunner, please reply

roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com (Roadrunner) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 23:47:40 UT

A nice description of yourself. You have nothing to show for your
smear.
RR

Re: ALAN C WALTER HAS DIED

ho...@lightlink.com — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 23:45:37 UT

Sorry, I have to disagree with this analysis.
Service fac computions are always illogical and insane, never far
from the truth, but just wrong enough to bring downfall.
Take the following statements,
"Good trees never give bad fruit.
Bad trees never give good fruit.
If a tree gives any bad fruit, it is a bad tree.