On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were intended to harass them.
On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > intended to harass them.
Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't it strange that a person just disappears? It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of the ocean) Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy explanation : “ Laying low” … Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > intended to harass them.
> Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > it strange that a person just disappears? > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > the ocean) > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > explanation : “ Laying low” … > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you believe she is also dead?
> On Nov 8, 7:28 am, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > > intended to harass them.
> > Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > > it strange that a person just disappears? > > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > > the ocean) > > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > > explanation : “ Laying low” … > > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you > have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the > fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his > whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of > reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. > How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you > believe she is also dead?
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Gee ..,. you an imposter declaired SP and spreading lies about the others .......
It seems even more rotten when a proven lier seeks proof about her own lies
> On Nov 8, 7:28 am, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > > intended to harass them.
> > Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > > it strange that a person just disappears? > > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > > the ocean) > > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > > explanation : “ Laying low” … > > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you > have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the > fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his > whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of > reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. > How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you > believe she is also dead?
> Monica
This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the same nick. Just ignore it.
> On Nov 8, 2:44 pm, Monica Pignotti <pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 7:28 am, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > > > intended to harass them.
> > > Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > > > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > > > it strange that a person just disappears? > > > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > > > the ocean) > > > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > > > explanation : “ Laying low” … > > > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> > Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you > > have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the > > fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his > > whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of > > reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. > > How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you > > believe she is also dead?
> > Monica
> This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the > same nick. Just ignore it.- Hide quoted text -
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:58:44 -0800 (PST), "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote in msg <5bf1efe3-2887-46ea-b3d6-7a9a95924...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:
>On Nov 8, 11:26 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote: <snip> >> This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the >> same nick. Just ignore it.- Hide quoted text -
>Eldon was convicted for defamation
Whatever. You're still sailing under a false flag of Fluffentology, you creep.
Ever yours in fandom, Jommy Cross
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> On Nov 8, 2:44 pm, Monica Pignotti <pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 7:28 am, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > > > intended to harass them.
> > > Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > > > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > > > it strange that a person just disappears? > > > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > > > the ocean) > > > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > > > explanation : “ Laying low” … > > > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> > Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you > > have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the > > fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his > > whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of > > reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. > > How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you > > believe she is also dead?
> > Monica
> This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the > same nick. Just ignore
Eldon is a lier
Star's Edge, Inc. Situation Report 12/12/2005
NOTE: Footnotes are marked in red. To access the footnote please click the corresponding number. A downloadable PDF file is available for you to retrieve and print at: Avatar EPC.com/sitrep1.pdf
Avatar Bashers: Eldon Braun and Ronald Cools
(Basher: A person who, with or without justification, DESIRES to blame, humiliate, and hurt others.)
Some recent rumors intentionally circulated on the Internet and via e- mail have resulted in some confused ideas about Avatar, Harry Palmer and Star's Edge.
Here is the real story behind them.
1. The story began in 1991 when Eldon Braun, a Provisionally Licensed Avatar Master, was caught cheating on royalties he owed Star's Edge, Inc. (the company that manages the Avatar network). When he still refused to pay after several attempts to negotiate, his license to deliver the Avatar Course was suspended. 1
2. Perceiving license suspension as an insult to his self-importance, and not being invited as a complimentary guest to the premier Wizard Course as an additional insult, Braun decided to punish Star’s Edge and Harry Palmer, author of the Avatar Course.2 Thus Braun began a ten- year campaign to libel and discredit Avatar, Star's Edge, and Harry Palmer.3 He demanded large sums of money to stop. Using his advertising background and his study of black (negative) propaganda techniques,4 Braun twisted facts, quoted statements out of context, and lied outright to further his ongoing, malicious campaign. In 2001, within days after the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers, Braun published terrorism-related threats toward Harry and his wife.5 A criminal stalking complaint was filed against him with Florida law enforcement.
3. Braun's posted intentions are to "dismantle Star's Edge", "bring Harry Palmer down", and "to see Harry Palmer panhandling on the street."6 Ironically, at the time of these posts, Braun had only seen Harry Palmer at public lectures and a graduation barbeque party at Harry's home where he was one of more than fifty students.
In 1999, Braun decided to steal the Avatar Materials and rewrite them as his own Source Course.7
4. After failed attempts to mediate with Braun, Harry Palmer and Star's Edge filed suit against Eldon Braun in US Federal Court in 2000 for copyright infringement and libel.8 After a formal trial, the court determined that Braun had infringed Harry Palmer's copyrights, and was spreading malicious libel about Palmer. The court eventually ordered him to pay fines and attorney fees of over $450,000.00 to Harry Palmer and Star's Edge.9
5. In an attempt to abort justice, on or about July 15, 2005, Braun filed for bankruptcy in California. Besides the $450,000.00 owed to Harry Palmer and Star's Edge, Braun had stuck credit card companies to a tune of approximately $35,000.00
After a hearing, the United States Bankruptcy for the Northern District of California, San Francisco Division discharged the credit card debits, but ruled that, because Braun's actions against Harry Palmer and Star's Edge were willful and malicious, any and all amounts awarded to Harry Palmer and Star's Edge were not dischargeable in bankruptcy.10 Star's Edge attorneys were then able to collect approximately $80,000.00 from property that Braun owned in California. A balance due of $370,000.00 remains to be collected.
6. Braun is still trying to threaten Star's Edge and Harry Palmer into not collecting their judgment.11 Braun has ignored evidence contrary to what he wants to believe and continues to use the Internet as a weapon to spread his propaganda and lies. Braun has posted over 5,000 critical statements about Harry Palmer, Star's Edge, and Avatar on the Internet under his own name or under anonymous names. Braun has said that he will not stop his libel campaign unless he is paid a million dollars. Braun has been unemployed for several years.
7. Braun preys on mentally ill people, and using lies and manipulation, recruits these unfortunates into joining his attacks. He advertises for disgruntled Avatars and Masters to contact him and then he tries to exacerbate whatever upset or misunderstanding they have into an attack on Avatar.12 His recruiting spiel plays heavily on money, feeling victimized, and on the failure of Star's Edge to recognize the recruit's elevated self-importance. He manipulatively coaches the recruits to blame Harry Palmer, Star's Edge, and Avatar for their failures in life.
One of a small hand-full of recruits that Braun has managed to coax into attacking Avatar is named Ronald Cools. At different times, several different Dutch Avatar Masters have tried to help Ronald Cools assume responsibility for his upsets and actions. After several free reviews, he was finally banned from attending Avatar deliveries since he was continually critical and had no interest in self-examination.
8. Ronald Cools describes himself in an Internet post: "Hi, I am Ronald, an 43 year old homosexual. I am living a very lonely life, without a relationship, no work, almost (sic) no friends. I feel I cannot bear this isolation any longer. I am suicidal for 3 years now, and every day is a torture for me. My method of stepping out of life is with sleepingpills (sic) (NItrazepam) and a plastic bag. I hope I have the strength to do it this week. Is here anyone in the same circumstance? Please tell me. Warm regard, Ronald Cools from Holland" 13
Cools did not commit suicide, probably didn't intend to. Instead he counseled others on how to commit suicide. Here is an excerpt from one of his posts: "Giving information how to commit suicide is not prohibited by law. Holland is a very liberate country Barbara, maybe you have to get used to that... Our birthright(sic) is also a choosen (sic) dead if you really want to step out of life. IMO Karin Spaink is helping people who have a concrete deadwish,(sic) and I also sometimes give people information how to commit suicide. I don't see anything wrong with that..."
Cools wrongly believes that because he is diagnosed with a personality disorder and is on welfare, that Star's Edge will not sue him for his blatant libel and copyright infringement. To date, every friendly attempt to stop him, or reason with him, has been interpreted by him as a threat that he uses to justify increasing his libel and copyright infringement activities.14 He has ignored a US Federal judge's injunction against publishing Braun's infringing Source Course--with Braun's approval, of course.
In 2005, Braun coaxed Cools to create a hate website (avatarscam) directed at Avatar. Most of the material on Cools' website have been written, re-written, inspired, or collected by Braun, some of it from a disgruntled Scientology employee, Gale Lyons, who Harry fired 19 years ago.15 Cools has also collected an e-mail list of Avatar Masters and periodically spams them with libelous out of context information about Harry Palmer, or stolen copyrighted materials.
9. Braun directly (or indirectly through his disgruntled recruits) spends many hours per week repeating variations of his five favorite lies:
Lie 1: that Avatar is a dangerous cult
Lie 2: that Harry Palmer is dishonest and insane
Lie 3: that Avatar training harms people
Lie 4: that Avatar is connected with, or is an offshoot of, the Church of Scientology16
Lie 5: that Star’s Edge was, or is, engaging in criminal activities.
These are malicious lies and have been documented with evidence and testimony as lies in U.S. Federal Court. Braun has been ordered to pay large fines for spreading them.
To evade U.S. justice and the fines and other penalties levied against him, Braun fled back to Paris where he continues to spin his lies to uninformed people. He uses his handful of recruits to confirm each other’s lies and spread misleading
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> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:58:44 -0800 (PST), "Voltaire's Child" > <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote in msg > <5bf1efe3-2887-46ea-b3d6-7a9a95924...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:
> >On Nov 8, 11:26 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote: > <snip> > >> This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the > >> same nick. Just ignore it.- Hide quoted text -
> >Eldon was convicted for defamation
> Whatever. You're still sailing under a false flag of Fluffentology, you > creep.
> Ever yours in fandom, > Jommy Cross
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Check the profile.This is Claire's imposter, Ecatherina Ethier.
> On Nov 8, 2:44 pm, Monica Pignotti <pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 7:28 am, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > > > intended to harass them.
> > > Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > > > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > > > it strange that a person just disappears? > > > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > > > the ocean) > > > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > > > explanation : “ Laying low” … > > > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> > Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you > > have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the > > fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his > > whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of > > reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. > > How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you > > believe she is also dead?
> > Monica
> This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the > same nick. Just ignore it.
I figured that it wasn't Claire. She has never written such hateful things.
> On Nov 8, 11:26 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 2:44 pm, Monica Pignotti <pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 7:28 am, "Voltaire'sChild" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 8, 3:32 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 10:00 pm, "Voltaire'sChild" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > > > I doubt it. Seems like he was living in the Caribbean and laying low. > > > > > There was some discussion about him on Marty Rathbun's blog. Marty's > > > > > resentful comment about Mayo was that he was paid off handsomely to > > > > > shut up and go away. However, that was after he and Frank (Sarge) > > > > > Gerbode won the lawsuit and were awarded attorney's fees. The Grand > > > > > Master on the case concluded that Scientology's many motions were > > > > > intended to harass them.
> > > > Well that’s besides the point if he is laying low or not. In an actual > > > > fact it seems that nobody saw him in person for over 10 years. Isn't > > > > it strange that a person just disappears? > > > > It sounds to me like made to disappears (like dead on the bottom of > > > > the ocean) > > > > Does not seem that anyone is asking questions because of this easy > > > > explanation : “ Laying low” … > > > > Did someone filed a missing persons police report?
> > > Nobody at all? How would you know that? You must mean "nobody" you > > > have heard from, which is not evidence for anything other than the > > > fact you have not communicated with anyone who knows of his > > > whereabouts who you are in touch with. I can think of plenty of > > > reasons he would want to lay low and not let others know where he is. > > > How about Julie Mayo? Has anyone you know heard from her or do you > > > believe she is also dead?
> > > Monica
> > This "Voltaire'sChild" is notClaireSwazey, but a troll using the > > same nick. Just ignore it.
> I figured that it wasn'tClaire. She has never written such hateful > things.
That's sweet, Mon. However, just to be candid, I have been known to be quite cutting when I'm angry enough.
I could give examples but I don't want to derail this.
Suffice it to say, I have a temper and am not perfect.
But yeah, if it's voltaires_ch...@ymail.com through googlegroups or if it's posted via Airnews with the ymail return addy, then it's me. If it's galgon...@gmail.com as the return email on the posts, then it's not me.
I guess this sporging is supposed to bother me or something. (shrugging)
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:34:23 -0800 (PST), Out_Of_The_Dark <formerlyfoo...@yahoo.com> wrote in msg <dfbbffd9-213e-424e-a9af-47ee0fca6...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>:
>On Nov 9, 6:22 pm, jommycross@[127.1] (Jommy Cross) wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:58:44 -0800 (PST), "Voltaire's Child" >> <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote in msg >> <5bf1efe3-2887-46ea-b3d6-7a9a95924...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:
>> >On Nov 8, 11:26 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote: >> <snip> >> >> This "Voltaire's Child" is not Claire Swazey, but a troll using the >> >> same nick. Just ignore it.- Hide quoted text -
>> >Eldon was convicted for defamation
>> Whatever. You're still sailing under a false flag of Fluffentology, you >> creep. <snip>
>Check the profile.This is Claire's imposter
<snip>
Yeah, that was my point. And Eldon's point.
So what's your point?
Ever yours in fandom, Jommy Cross
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> > > > On Nov 8, 5:49 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 8 Nov, 04:02, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 3:00 pm, "Voltaire's Child" <galgon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I was wondering if David Mayo is dead
> > > > > > I don't think highly of him but when was the last time anybody saw him > > > > > > or heard of him?
> > > > > > Barbara Schwarz
> > > > > 1996, here on ARS.
> > > > > RR
> > > > How do you know it is him who was posting and not the COS or me as a > > > > matter of fact ?
> > > > Do you have proof of life?
> > > I have the tool of evaluation. Check his messages for accuracy, there > > > are quite a few of them. Merrill Mayo also posted for a while.
> > > RR– Skrıt citovanı text –
> > > – Zobrazit citovanı text –
> > I was wondering, could you please repost the MM postings? I cant find > > it anywhere.
> I don't know where they are but I believe it was his second wife, > Julie Mayo who posted. Merrill was his first wife, unless I missed > something. > Monica
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