"As I read how progressively insane the dictates from my controlling organization became as they literally rolled down the hill at international headquarters in the foothills of the San Jacinto mountains in Southern California, and how negatively they affected people on the receiving end, a deep sense of remorse enveloped me. Sure, I had sought out people I had known that I had visited injustices upon individually, apologized and made things right. But Marc?s book recreated a culture I knew of and influenced, but did not live of. As I read of the pain Marc went through I remembered dozens of others similarly situated whom I knew during my Scientology experience but whose lives and feelings I was never afforded an opportunity to understand"
I think he's done worse than that, but your milage may vary ;-)
> "As I read how progressively insane the dictates from my controlling > organization became as they literally rolled down the hill at international > headquarters in the foothills of the San Jacinto mountains in Southern > California, and how negatively they affected people on the receiving end, a > deep sense of remorse enveloped me. Sure, I had sought out people I had > known that I had visited injustices upon individually, apologized and made > things right. But Marc?s book recreated a culture I knew of and influenced, > but did not live of. As I read of the pain Marc went through I remembered > dozens of others similarly situated whom I knew during my Scientology > experience but whose lives and feelings I was never afforded an opportunity > to understand"
> I think he's done worse than that, but your milage may vary ;-)
It's a horribly pompous, convoluted piece of writing. I kept expecting to arrive at the words "tome" and "penned" for some reason. Too bad somebody didn't edit Marty's foreword -- well, translate in this case -- into everyday English. I haven't read Headley's book yet, only bits and pieces from his website, but his style seems smooth and comprehensible.
Interesting how many people making comments on his blog have fawned over Marty's hazy, purple prose.
> > "As I read how progressively insane the dictates from my controlling > > organization became as they literally rolled down the hill at international > > headquarters in the foothills of the San Jacinto mountains in Southern > > California, and how negatively they affected people on the receiving end, a > > deep sense of remorse enveloped me. Sure, I had sought out people I had > > known that I had visited injustices upon individually, apologized and made > > things right. But Marc?s book recreated a culture I knew of and influenced, > > but did not live of. As I read of the pain Marc went through I remembered > > dozens of others similarly situated whom I knew during my Scientology > > experience but whose lives and feelings I was never afforded an opportunity > > to understand"
> > I think he's done worse than that, but your milage may vary ;-)
> It's a horribly pompous, convoluted piece of writing. I kept expecting > to arrive at the words "tome" and "penned" for some reason. Too bad > somebody didn't edit Marty's foreword -- well, translate in this case > -- into everyday English. I haven't read Headley's book yet, only bits > and pieces from his website, but his style seems smooth and > comprehensible.
> Interesting how many people making comments on his blog have fawned > over Marty's hazy, purple prose.
I can't even figure out what he means, the dictates..."literally" rolled down the hill. Was Miscavige putting his commands in barrels or bottles and rolling them down the hill? I think Marty needs to word clear "literally."
> > "As I read how progressively insane the dictates from my controlling > > organization became as they literally rolled down the hill at international > > headquarters in the foothills of the San Jacinto mountains in Southern > > California, and how negatively they affected people on the receiving end, a > > deep sense of remorse enveloped me. Sure, I had sought out people I had > > known that I had visited injustices upon individually, apologized and made > > things right. But Marc?s book recreated a culture I knew of and influenced, > > but did not live of. As I read of the pain Marc went through I remembered > > dozens of others similarly situated whom I knew during my Scientology > > experience but whose lives and feelings I was never afforded an opportunity > > to understand"
> > I think he's done worse than that, but your milage may vary ;-)
> It's a horribly pompous, convoluted piece of writing. I kept expecting > to arrive at the words "tome" and "penned" for some reason. Too bad > somebody didn't edit Marty's foreword -- well, translate in this case > -- into everyday English. I haven't read Headley's book yet, only bits > and pieces from his website, but his style seems smooth and > comprehensible.
> Interesting how many people making comments on his blog have fawned > over Marty's hazy, purple prose.
Well yes, but at least it's a start. He probably is still not at the point where he is aware of how he comes off when he attempts to express himself on these issues. I hope that he extends his admission of lack of awareness to those of us who actually lived and worked under LRH and consider our experience abusive, something he seems to be dismissing and yet did not experience himself. Hopefully as the years go by, he'll gain a bit more awareness and begin to realize that it is not just DM. As long as LRH policies are in place, if DM were to be replaced, perhaps the physical violence would go away but much of the other abuse would not.
> "As I read how progressively insane the dictates from my controlling > organization became as they literally rolled down the hill at international > headquarters in the foothills of the San Jacinto mountains in Southern > California, and how negatively they affected people on the receiving end, a > deep sense of remorse enveloped me. Sure, I had sought out people I had > known that I had visited injustices upon individually, apologized and made > things right. But Marc?s book recreated a culture I knew of and influenced, > but did not live of. As I read of the pain Marc went through I remembered > dozens of others similarly situated whom I knew during my Scientology > experience but whose lives and feelings I was never afforded an opportunity > to understand"
> I think he's done worse than that, but your milage may vary ;-)
Whatever, it's just blah blah when you see his other writings and the way he dismisses the ugly track record of the 60s 70s 80s by rationalizing it with "we were *really* under attack back then" (paraphrased, I don't remember the exact words,) and so whatever bad happened back then, I guess they deserved it.
Yesterday someone wrote that contrary to David Miscavige, Hubbard compensated all Sea Org staffs for their personal lost during a fire in the 70s (as opposed to Miscavige going berserk after the mudslide,) probably making a point that Hubbard was very nice compare to Miscavige. http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/harassment-of-haggis-it-w...
That might be, but still, I had to answer:
"Did Hubbard also compensated Paulette Cooper?"
The "remorseful" Marty, didn't think this was appropriate... I don't know, inconvenient?
On Nov 8, 6:48 am, rhill <rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
> That might be, but still, I had to answer:
> "Did Hubbard also compensated Paulette Cooper?"
> The "remorseful" Marty, didn't think this was appropriate... I don't > know, inconvenient?
Marty "THE TERMINATOR" Rathbun vs. Paulette Cooper
Paulette is a very fine writer, a warm and intelligent person, an all- around stellar human being. She made a lot of effort to try to be fair and objective in writing her book. What Scientology did to her is outrageous and criminal. Under LRH, Marty probably would have jumped at the chance to drive her nuts, for the Commodore. I mean if he went as far as he did under Miscavige, can you imagine what he would have done with LRH?
Or maybe not. Maybe, under LRH, he just would have seen what so many others saw, who know.
In contrast Scientology would have you believe that pubic/Vaseline guy was an atrocity, and evidence that the attention seeking stunt means Anonymous are all terrorists, hairy lubricated terrorists, marching to the same beat.
Marty, like most active Sciloons, has no perspective when LRH Scientology is involved. For example, no matter Miscavige doing whatever, leaving the cult, without using LRH tech to improve conditions while in the cult, would still have made Marty a squirrel, amIright?
> On Nov 8, 6:48 am, rhill <rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
> > That might be, but still, I had to answer:
> > "Did Hubbard also compensated Paulette Cooper?"
> > The "remorseful" Marty, didn't think this was appropriate... I don't > > know, inconvenient?
> Marty "THE TERMINATOR" Rathbun vs. Paulette Cooper
> Paulette is a very fine writer, a warm and intelligent person, an all- > around stellar human being. She made a lot of effort to try to be fair > and objective in writing her book. What Scientology did to her is > outrageous and criminal. Under LRH, Marty probably would have jumped > at the chance to drive her nuts, for the Commodore. I mean if he went > as far as he did under Miscavige, can you imagine what he would have > done with LRH?
Marty & Cie. blame anything like Paulette's harassment, the Snow White debacle and the plundering of the missions on either the GO or DM. As they see it, LRH didn't have a clue about what Jane and Mary Sue were up do, and wasn't OT enough to figure out that DM was feeding him false and incomplete data.
I just posted a comment to that effect, which pissed off Marty considerably, but to his credit he didn't delete it.
> Or maybe not. Maybe, under LRH, he just would have seen what so many > others saw, who know.
> In contrast Scientology would have you believe that pubic/Vaseline guy > was an atrocity, and evidence that the attention seeking stunt means > Anonymous are all terrorists, hairy lubricated terrorists, marching to > the same beat.
> Marty, like most active Sciloons, has no perspective when LRH > Scientology is involved. For example, no matter Miscavige doing > whatever, leaving the cult, without using LRH tech to improve > conditions while in the cult, would still have made Marty a squirrel, > amIright?
> > > "As I read how progressively insane the dictates from my controlling > > > organization became as they literally rolled down the hill at international > > > headquarters in the foothills of the San Jacinto mountains in Southern > > > California, and how negatively they affected people on the receiving end, a > > > deep sense of remorse enveloped me. Sure, I had sought out people I had > > > known that I had visited injustices upon individually, apologized and made > > > things right. But Marc?s book recreated a culture I knew of and influenced, > > > but did not live of. As I read of the pain Marc went through I remembered > > > dozens of others similarly situated whom I knew during my Scientology > > > experience but whose lives and feelings I was never afforded an opportunity > > > to understand"
> > > I think he's done worse than that, but your milage may vary ;-)
> > It's a horribly pompous, convoluted piece of writing. I kept expecting > > to arrive at the words "tome" and "penned" for some reason. Too bad > > somebody didn't edit Marty's foreword -- well, translate in this case > > -- into everyday English. I haven't read Headley's book yet, only bits > > and pieces from his website, but his style seems smooth and > > comprehensible.
> > Interesting how many people making comments on his blog have fawned > > over Marty's hazy, purple prose.
> Well yes, but at least it's a start. He probably is still not at the > point where he is aware of how he comes off when he attempts to > express himself on these issues. I hope that he extends his admission > of lack of awareness to those of us who actually lived and worked > under LRH and consider our experience abusive, something he seems to > be dismissing and yet did not experience himself. Hopefully as the > years go by, he'll gain a bit more awareness and begin to realize that > it is not just DM. As long as LRH policies are in place, if DM were to > be replaced, perhaps the physical violence would go away but much of > the other abuse would not.
> Monica
Well, a few people making comments on his blog, myself included, have been feeding him as much cognitive dissonance as he can tolerate. He has been getting a bit more liberal in his moderation standards lately, too.
On Nov 8, 8:18 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> Marty & Cie. blame anything like Paulette's harassment, the Snow White > debacle and the plundering of the missions on either the GO or DM. As > they see it, LRH didn't have a clue about what Jane and Mary Sue were > up do, and wasn't OT enough to figure out that DM was feeding him > false and incomplete data.
> I just posted a comment to that effect, which pissed off Marty > considerably, but to his credit he didn't delete it.
Yes! That's what it boils down to. I can't blame Marty for being blind, or getting lost in DM's storm of Black Dianetics, when obviously, for several years, LRH was clueless and fooled by DM, or in the very least, unconcerned about the very important issue of who would follow him...who would lead. So, good to keep reminding Marty of that. LRH was fooled by Black Dianetics too.
I'd read in a few sources that Pat Broeker had a drinking problem, and DM used that and some other issues (gambling, infidelity) to push him and his wife out of the leadership picture. However, it was Marty who said Pat Broeker was incompetent; unable to lead anything, let alone a big brainwash cult like Scientology. Okay, I think that is credible. But, that makes it even worse, that DM had more power, with his Black Dianetics, than the SOURCE, LRH! LRH seemed to be fond of this very weak, alcoholic incompetent character, and also trusting DM.
How can that be? DM outfoxing, outTeching LRH!
In Scientology, the executives seem to be using very little energy at "improving conditions," and yet totally devoted to boot licking. They were with LRH, and they were with DM.
If you're going to accept that LRH is this immensely wise person, with all these powers, he should have seen these things, as they were happening. He should have been "at cause" over DM. Ergo I must conclude the Tech is bullshit, because the LRH was.
Maybe DM should just break off from this whole Scientology shtick and start a new cult using "Black Dianetics" if it is so powerful it can fool SOURCE. Well, I guess that is what Martyologists are claiming. DM has done with his own cult, and it isn't Scientology.
This is all so far fetched -- this Black Dianetics stuff -- especially when you consider that Hubbard drew Dianetics and his ability to control, right out of Parson's Crowley/Satanism stuff. Seriously, it doesn't get any darker than that stuff, These Satanists invariably summon their powers from the pits of Hell etc., and bingo, whaddaya get? Scientology!
Hubbard was happy about calling Crowley his friend, or great inspiration or whatever, why can't the cult claim him as that? If Marty can embrace Hubbard so completely, he should also show respect for the Beast 666 shouldn't he?
Marty invokes the "Lord" in his FOREWARD I think. Couldn't be referring to Jesus....must mean the dark Lord. Hubbard's Lord, Lucifer. Beelzebub...could it be Satan?
My guess is that DM did outfox Hubbard. He pretended to be Hubbard's faithful little errand boy and servant. He saw that Broeker was weak and vulnerable, and he waited while the rest of the lemmings just sat around pretending LRH would live forever, or worrying only about the estate money. In his final years, Hubbard was off in his own little world, drooling, scratching at his Body Thetan clusters, growing his pretty nails, and too out-of-it to even care what would happen to the freaking cult after he was gone.
Broeker is the one DM had followed by PIs, for years after he was out of the picture -- paid off I guess.
I have two ideas about that. Broeker knows A LOT about everything that went down in those final years. And, Marty himself knows more than he's saying, because DM or Broeker may have told him some things.
I bet Broeker got bought out with a good sum of money, a million or two, but even with that, DM was still afraid he might talk, so had him followed. THAT is how much Broeker knows.
This could be Marty's strongest card. That he knows LRH was a drooling nutcase in the end, and he knows how DM took advantage of that specifically. He can't tell that story because it would degrade LRH's image and ruin his FreakZone super power repair biz.
On Nov 8, 8:18 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> Marty & Cie. blame anything like Paulette's harassment, the Snow White > debacle and the plundering of the missions on either the GO or DM. As > they see it, LRH didn't have a clue about what Jane and Mary Sue were > up do, and wasn't OT enough to figure out that DM was feeding him > false and incomplete data.
> I just posted a comment to that effect, which pissed off Marty > considerably, but to his credit he didn't delete it.
I just read your comment on Marty's blog. You are an SP, J&D, MoC, and PTS, no, make that a TS, sarcastic and yer glib.
On Nov 8, 8:34 pm, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 8:18 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:> Marty & Cie. blame anything like Paulette's harassment, the Snow White > > debacle and the plundering of the missions on either the GO or DM. As > > they see it, LRH didn't have a clue about what Jane and Mary Sue were > > up do, and wasn't OT enough to figure out that DM was feeding him > > false and incomplete data.
> > I just posted a comment to that effect, which pissed off Marty > > considerably, but to his credit he didn't delete it.
> I just read your comment on Marty's blog. You are an SP, J&D, MoC, and > PTS, no, make that a TS, sarcastic and yer glib.
Mr. Texas will express even more remorse when he is faced by the original Marty Rathbun and has to answer why he took over his identity. But the original Marty will not buy that remorse.
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