> On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > > >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of > > >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds > > >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
> > >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
> > >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and > > >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
> > Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna > > in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to > > 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved > > flu vaccine.
> I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
> TCross
He just did! --
BDK.. Leader of the nonexistent paid shills. Non Jew Jew Club founding member. Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
>On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of >> >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds >> >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
>> >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
>> >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and >> >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
>> Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna >> in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to >> 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved >> flu vaccine.
>I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
Are you stupid? I provided the URL that proves my statement from the very same source that you used - the FDA.
>On Oct 27, 9:06 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On Oct 27, 2:46 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> >> > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, >> >> > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination >> >> > > is so small, >> >> > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to >> >> > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. >> >> > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts >> >> > you to think humans would be immune?
>> >> Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are >> >> simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury >> >> in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans.
>> >Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers from >> >bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to kill >> >the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
>> Are you a bacterium?
>A human body is more fragile and less tolerant than a bacterium.
Then you must have never been in a swimming pool. After all, that chlorine which is sufficient to kill bacteria and algae must be instant death for you.
Moron.
>> >Given the assuredness of lethal dosage,
>> Your eagerness to lie reveals you to be a fanatic.
>Mercury is added to vaccines in a quantity sufficient to guarantee >that any bacteria will receive a lethal dose.
Wrong again, fanatic. It's to ensure that no bacteria grow.
>Anyone else here old enough to remember the polio epidemics of the >late 1940s and early 1950s? And how damn grateful we were to Jonas >Salk for inventing a vaccine to protect us? I'd like to see these >anti-vax nutcakes face down a polio epidemic while bad-mouthing >vaccines, I really would.
I'm old enough to remember the long, long, LONG lines of moms and kids for the polio vaccine when it first became available. Nobody doubted the need for it. Salk was a hero. Mass immunizations were welcome.
I remember the nurses would dab your arm with iodone (or some such), and that the one in my line (at least) offered to try to make it look like a teddy bear (or some other such thing) to try to ease the kids' anxiety.
When the oral polio vaccine came out, we were given that in school.
-- Pat K. aa#1154
"So, it was all a dream." "No dear, this is the dream, you're still in the cell."
> In article <30418375-b30d-4220-99e3-f85e6ad13de1 > @z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, tcros...@hotmail.com says...
> > On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > > >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of > > > >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds > > > >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
> > > >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
> > > >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and > > > >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
> > > Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna > > > in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to > > > 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved > > > flu vaccine.
> > I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
> > TCross
> He just did!
I provided a reference for the figures. Fischer provided no reference for his numbers. Like a wannabe prophet, he expects to be accepted at his word.
> >On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of > >> >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds > >> >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
> >> >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
> >> >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and > >> >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
> >> Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna > >> in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to > >> 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved > >> flu vaccine.
> >I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
> Are you stupid?
I am smart enough to test your sources.
> I provided the URL that proves my statement from > the very same source that you used - the FDA.
You provided a URL that simply shows you are a fraud. Thus:
Page Not Found
Our apologies. The link or location you used does not exist or was moved.
For the fastest assistance, please try one of the following options:
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> >On Oct 27, 9:06 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >On Oct 27, 2:46 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: > >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > >> >> > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, > >> >> > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination > >> >> > > is so small, > >> >> > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to > >> >> > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. > >> >> > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts > >> >> > you to think humans would be immune?
> >> >> Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are > >> >> simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury > >> >> in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans.
> >> >Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers from > >> >bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to kill > >> >the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
> >> Are you a bacterium?
> >A human body is more fragile and less tolerant than a bacterium.
> Then you must have never been in a swimming pool. After all, that > chlorine which is sufficient to kill bacteria and algae must be > instant death for you.
> Moron.
Your signature belongs at the bottom.
> >> >Given the assuredness of lethal dosage,
> >> Your eagerness to lie reveals you to be a fanatic.
> >Mercury is added to vaccines in a quantity sufficient to guarantee > >that any bacteria will receive a lethal dose.
> Wrong again, fanatic. It's to ensure that no bacteria grow.
Just enough mercury to stunt bacterial growth without killing them? Source please.
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:37:25 -0700, Terry Cross wrote: > On Oct 28, 1:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, >> >> >> >> >tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, >> >> >> >> >it could be all kinds of outright poisons and it still >> >> >> >> >wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
>> >> >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
>> >> >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and >> >> >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
>> >> Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of >> >> tuna in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with >> >> the 12 to 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a >> >> thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine.
>> >I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
>> Are you stupid?
> I am smart enough to test your sources.
>> I provided the URL that proves my statement from the very same source >> that you used - the FDA.
> You provided a URL that simply shows you are a fraud. Thus:
> Page Not Found
My browser opened both URLs he posted immediately. You probably have a funky connection between your news agent (if you even use one) and your browser, or your news agent's editor wraps the things strangely.
> > > > Usenet rule: Personal abuse is inversely proportional to the truth of > > > > the posting.
> > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway,
> > Wow, do you ever admit it when you are wrong! Just so terribly > > humble. It is an honor to discourse with a person so intellectually > > honest.
> Thank you. I know you meant it sarcastically though.
> > > the tiny, tiny bit of > > > mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small,
> > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to > > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. > > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts > > you to think humans would be immune?
> Immune? WTF? Bacteria and mold/viruses and people are hardly the same > thing.
Listen to the Darwinian. Spin, spin.
> You know there's mercury in amalgam tooth fillings, right?
> > > it could be all kinds > > > of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
> > > You vaccine kooks are one of the lamest bunch of kooks I've seen in a > > > long time, and I've seen a lot of lame kooks in my day.
> > The same has been said of many substances and processes later proved > > to be toxic. Apparently, there is no dearth of fools to scoff and > > scorn when harmful agents are discussed. You appear like dawn > > mushrooms and vanish in the midday sun.
> > TCross
> Since mercury has been used for decades for preserving vaccines, it's > odd how suddenly it's doing all kinds of bad stuff to kids when it > didn't do it before...
This is not sudden. Mercury has been a known toxin for more than three centuries.
The real problem is pharmaceutical houses that include known toxins in products for human consumption, and then squawk and weep when people point it out.
The requirement for preservatives in vaccines is bogus anyway. There is no problem if the multi-dose package is discarded at the end of each day. The economy involved is shamefully small.
> >Anyone else here old enough to remember the polio epidemics of the > >late 1940s and early 1950s? And how damn grateful we were to Jonas > >Salk for inventing a vaccine to protect us? I'd like to see these > >anti-vax nutcakes face down a polio epidemic while bad-mouthing > >vaccines, I really would.
> I'm old enough to remember the long, long, LONG lines of moms and kids > for the polio vaccine when it first became available. Nobody doubted the > need for it. Salk was a hero. Mass immunizations were welcome.
> I remember the nurses would dab your arm with iodone (or some such), > and that the one in my line (at least) offered to try to make it look like > a teddy bear (or some other such thing) to try to ease the kids' anxiety.
> When the oral polio vaccine came out, we were given that in school.
Let me see if I understand your argument correctly: You assert that putting mercury in flu vaccine is OK because polio vaccine prevented many infections.
>On Oct 28, 1:08 am, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> In article <30418375-b30d-4220-99e3-f85e6ad13de1 >> @z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, tcros...@hotmail.com says...
>> > On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> > > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> > > >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> > > >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of >> > > >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds >> > > >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
>> > > >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
>> > > >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and >> > > >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
>> > > Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna >> > > in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to >> > > 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved >> > > flu vaccine.
>> > I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
>> > TCross
>> He just did!
>I provided a reference for the figures. Fischer provided no reference >for his numbers.
>On Oct 28, 1:33 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Oct 27, 9:06 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Oct 27, 2:46 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, >> >> >> > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination >> >> >> > > is so small, >> >> >> > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to >> >> >> > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. >> >> >> > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts >> >> >> > you to think humans would be immune?
>> >> >> Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are >> >> >> simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury >> >> >> in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans.
>> >> >Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers from >> >> >bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to kill >> >> >the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
>> >> Are you a bacterium?
>> >A human body is more fragile and less tolerant than a bacterium.
>> Then you must have never been in a swimming pool. After all, that >> chlorine which is sufficient to kill bacteria and algae must be >> instant death for you.
> >> > > >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> > > >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of > >> > > >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds > >> > > >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
> >> > > >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
> >> > > >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and > >> > > >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
> >> > > Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna > >> > > in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to > >> > > 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved > >> > > flu vaccine.
> >> > I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
> >> > TCross
> >> He just did!
> >I provided a reference for the figures. Fischer provided no reference > >for his numbers.
The can of tuna you cite, 25g, is a jumbo size Most people would presume the 12g can,
From the reference I provided, we know that a person over 3 years of age receives 25ug mercury in one flu shot. That is the equivalent dose of 211 grams of tuna -- 0.465175 lb -- a quantity that very few people (let alone children) would eat in one sitting. I just can't imagine a child eating 4 cans of tuna in a meal.
Moreover, the mercury in canned tuna is delivered to the stomach. The mercury in a vaccine is delivered directly into the flesh, and hence, the blood.
I don't think the two scenarios are equivalent.
But don't feel bad about it. Take a deep breath, and try not to call people names when they show you up. You'll feel better about yourself as a result.
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:37:25 -0700, Terry Cross wrote: > > On Oct 28, 1:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, > >> >> >> >> >tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, > >> >> >> >> >it could be all kinds of outright poisons and it still > >> >> >> >> >wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
> >> >> >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
> >> >> >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and > >> >> >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
> >> >> Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of > >> >> tuna in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with > >> >> the 12 to 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a > >> >> thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine.
> >> >I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
> >> Are you stupid?
> > I am smart enough to test your sources.
> >> I provided the URL that proves my statement from the very same source > >> that you used - the FDA.
> > You provided a URL that simply shows you are a fraud. Thus:
> > Page Not Found
> My browser opened both URLs he posted immediately. > You probably have a funky connection between your > news agent (if you even use one) and your browser, or your > news agent's editor wraps the things strangely.
>> >> > > >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> > > >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the tiny, tiny bit of >> >> > > >> >> >mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is so small, it could be all kinds >> >> > > >> >> >of outright poisons and it still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
>> >> > > >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
>> >> > > >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers and >> >> > > >> >sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
>> >> > > Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of tuna >> >> > > in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with the 12 to >> >> > > 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a thimerosal-preserved >> >> > > flu vaccine.
>> >> > I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
>> >> > TCross
>> >> He just did!
>> >I provided a reference for the figures. Fischer provided no reference >> >for his numbers.
>The can of tuna you cite, 25g, is a jumbo size Most people would >presume the 12g can,
I actually cited canned lite tuna whicdh has an average of 0.118 parts per million of mercury. Simple math shows that that's about 12 micrograms of mercury per 6oz can.
As far as I know, nobody sells a 12g can. Nor a 25g can.
>From the reference I provided, we know that a person over 3 years of >age receives 25ug mercury in one flu shot. That is the equivalent >dose of 211 grams of tuna --
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:42:24 -0700, Terry Cross wrote: > On Oct 28, 11:53 am, polymer <poly...@operamail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:37:25 -0700, Terry Cross wrote: >> > On Oct 28, 1:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Oct 27, 9:05 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >On Oct 27, 7:09 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Oct 27, 10:44 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, the >> >> >> >> >> >tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination is >> >> >> >> >> >so small, it could be all kinds of outright poisons and it >> >> >> >> >> >still wouldn't affect the kid in any way.
>> >> >> >> >> There is more mercury in a can of tuna.
>> >> >> >> >The statement is meaningless without numbers. Cite numbers >> >> >> >> >and sources if your statement is not just horsefeathers.
>> >> >> Canned light tuna contains 0.118ppm of mercury. For the 100g of >> >> >> tuna in a typical 6oz can that's 11.8 micrograms as compared with >> >> >> the 12 to 25 micrograms of mercury in a single dose of a >> >> >> thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine.
>> >> >I proved my statement. Now you prove yours.
>> >> Are you stupid?
>> > I am smart enough to test your sources.
>> >> I provided the URL that proves my statement from the very same >> >> source that you used - the FDA.
>> > You provided a URL that simply shows you are a fraud. Thus:
>> > Page Not Found
>> My browser opened both URLs he posted immediately. You probably have a >> funky connection between your news agent (if you even use one) and your >> browser, or your news agent's editor wraps the things strangely.
>On Oct 28, 4:19 am, Pat Kiewicz <pkiew...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> SkyEyes said:
>> >Anyone else here old enough to remember the polio epidemics of the >> >late 1940s and early 1950s? And how damn grateful we were to Jonas >> >Salk for inventing a vaccine to protect us? I'd like to see these >> >anti-vax nutcakes face down a polio epidemic while bad-mouthing >> >vaccines, I really would.
>> I'm old enough to remember the long, long, LONG lines of moms and >> kids >> for the polio vaccine when it first became available. Nobody doubted the >> need for it. Salk was a hero. Mass immunizations were welcome.
>> I remember the nurses would dab your arm with iodone (or some such), >> and that the one in my line (at least) offered to try to make it look like >> a teddy bear (or some other such thing) to try to ease the kids' anxiety.
>Let me see if I understand your argument correctly: You assert that >putting mercury in flu vaccine is OK because polio vaccine prevented >many infections.
Ah, intentional denseness.
No, the main assertion was that immunizations to prevent disease have great public utility, and, back in the day, people were *familiar enough with the diseases in question* not to doubt that or magnify any risks out of proportion to the problems the vaccines *solved.*
A subtext might be that there were mass immunization events in the past that do not seem to have induced hysteria or any of the (supposed) dire effects that would come from jabbing lots of people with vaccines that weren't from single usage containers, therefore almost certainly contained preservatives.
Now (in the industrialize world) we don't see often see people who were blinded by measles as children, or paralyzed by polio, or suffered birth defects due to prenatal infection with rubella. So we loose track of the point of all these immunizations. But (other than for smallpox) these diseases are not extinct and can and will return when there are enough susceptible people to pass them on.
I will add that the antivaxxers are confusing. First it's some particular vaccine itself that is problematic, then, it's the combinations and timings, or no, it's the preservatives and so on. The belief (that the vaccine is bad) comes first, the justification later, and, if that argument doesn't hold, well, the belief isn't wrong...
Meanwhile, parents are avoiding immunizations, herd immunity is dropping, and we have small outbreaks of previously contained diseases. And so we have babies (too young to immunize) getting whooping cough and dying.
> >On Oct 28, 4:19 am, Pat Kiewicz <pkiew...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> SkyEyes said:
> >> >Anyone else here old enough to remember the polio epidemics of the > >> >late 1940s and early 1950s? And how damn grateful we were to Jonas > >> >Salk for inventing a vaccine to protect us? I'd like to see these > >> >anti-vax nutcakes face down a polio epidemic while bad-mouthing > >> >vaccines, I really would.
> >> I'm old enough to remember the long, long, LONG lines of moms and > >> kids > >> for the polio vaccine when it first became available. Nobody doubted the > >> need for it. Salk was a hero. Mass immunizations were welcome.
> >> I remember the nurses would dab your arm with iodone (or some such), > >> and that the one in my line (at least) offered to try to make it look like > >> a teddy bear (or some other such thing) to try to ease the kids' anxiety.
> >Let me see if I understand your argument correctly: You assert that > >putting mercury in flu vaccine is OK because polio vaccine prevented > >many infections.
> Ah, intentional denseness.
> No, the main assertion was that immunizations to prevent disease have > great public utility, and, back in the day, people were *familiar enough > with the diseases in question* not to doubt that or magnify any risks > out of proportion to the problems the vaccines *solved.*
> A subtext might be that there were mass immunization events in the past > that do not seem to have induced hysteria or any of the (supposed) dire > effects that would come from jabbing lots of people with vaccines that > weren't from single usage containers, therefore almost certainly contained > preservatives.
> Now (in the industrialize world) we don't see often see people who were > blinded by measles as children, or paralyzed by polio, or suffered birth > defects due to prenatal infection with rubella. So we loose track of the > point of all these immunizations. But (other than for smallpox) these > diseases are not extinct and can and will return when there are enough > susceptible people to pass them on.
> I will add that the antivaxxers are confusing. First it's some particular > vaccine itself that is problematic, then, it's the combinations and timings, > or no, it's the preservatives and so on. The belief (that the vaccine is bad) > comes first, the justification later, and, if that argument doesn't hold, well, > the belief isn't wrong...
> Meanwhile, parents are avoiding immunizations, herd immunity is dropping, > and we have small outbreaks of previously contained diseases. And so we > have babies (too young to immunize) getting whooping cough and dying.
> The child who is swimming we may presume will receive some multiple of > a lethal dose. The child who is injected will receive some fraction > of that amount. And we must adjust for the fact that the swimming > child (or bacterium) is some protected by her epidermis (or cell > wall), in contrast to the child who receives the poison directly into > the unprotected tissues.
You are seriously suggesting that there are no 'cell walls' inside the injected child...? That once the mercury is injected, it's everywhere...? That really is what you're saying, isn't it...?
> If only they would teach you Atheists Arithmetic -- no, never mind, > you would still not do it honestly.
Discussion subject changed to "The Obama family will not poison their children with mercury, but will advance that all leaderless American children should. When asked why..." by Justice for God
From: Justice for God <zyxw000010000j4j4j4j4j4j4...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:48:37 GMT
Local: Wed 4 Nov 2009 21:48
Subject: The Obama family will not poison their children with mercury, but will advance that all leaderless American children should. When asked why...
There is only so much we can lose, before an action of larger defenses is inevitable. Justice is what we will. Golden rule. Let's start the show.
Speak out for the arrest of Bush and Cheney for obstructing Justice on 911, and the rightful deaths of every last bushite breathing who mumbles support of further drone terror strikes against innocent people in market places, or as bombings anywhere done to escape the naked treason of the Zionist Peenackers. Look, the Bushmob doctored the NIE on Iraq to CON America. CON. Bushite IS al-Qeada. They kidnap, torture, and murder the innocent, openly, as the ungodly war criminal terrorist enemies of everybody.
Death to the bushite, death to the enemies of God and Man.
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America's Chief Economist: A Public Call to Regulate the Crimes of the Derivative
/ / His testimony was cut short after five minutes by Congresswoman Melissa Bean, and the committee has since refused to post online his full testimony along with the statements of the other panelists \ \
Remember: all a private Bank does is take our money for loans they don't cover, while bribing Repuglicon and Demonrats alike to have us pay-out even more religiously because they ares a hurtin'. Where then did our money go lost 'mysteriously' into their personal private trillion dollar accounts - out of a poof of this Ninja smoke? This is a fraud case of epic proportions, costing Honorable Police Man Pensions, and all America's Elderly. These corporate war experts on censorship for murder are going to deny all of EVERY American the simple score to allow US to decide for ourselves. How about You? Big loser crime victim to bankster verbage, or winner of liberty in the New Twenty First Century? Either read a small fonted, 1900 page (no rules) "Derivative", or know, they don't cover our loans, we do. They sold off our risks without a care for the growing hardships. The bail-outs were a trillion dollars crime resting on the frauds of what is simply termed America's 'loss'. Extortion is against the Law in America. Let's start there.. back in Oct 2008. Either we pay them without question, or come Monday morning, they would run the country into the ground. JP Morgan had more than a trillion dollars in capital, through out the entire so labeled "Crisis". At a hundred to one, we could have simply borrowed, as continuing dumbfox, as much as a hundred trillion from JP at low interest, other than give out an estimated 25 trillion dollars to whoever for nothing back. Absolutely nothing asked. Trillions for Siltch. Only "Hope". The ol', "Give Free to the Bank Man, Loan Back Maybe Scam". False tv gods, those biggest of thoughtless buildings are, as the center structures at every major American City of purposeless sacrifice given to the, 'no rules' free marketeers who don't pay our dire costs, but bill us for credit they took.., not the other way around silly. Treasury. Who needs inforcing Laws against Extortion, or Mass Murder they tell us without caring to hear our right to be fairly deliberated. But as such, likely You have refused to send this post to two People in contempt for freedom, in contempt for wisdom, in contempt for yourself. Speak up, for Just is.
"people vaccinated against seasonal flu are twice as likely to catch swine flu."
LOOK! "Americans" have refused to use these facts to defend their dumb selves. Don't want to make Johnny look as great as he truly is, so.. rather die YOU victim to continuing blatant blind idiocy. The flu is the flu, but hey, never you mind - it just must be the rocket scientist in me that pointed out definitions of Influenza in near any dictionary, is something we don't want more of. For the People portrayed cruisin' without a care, seems very quiet over these issues of willful murder. Blinded mute?, or is it anything for more stolen values? Aside: American National radio star Art Bell was all into supporting the theft of all Iraq to profit his 'America' escaping further from Justice. George Noory, the sick nazi fuk, demonically broadcasts the willful murder of innocent Children.. While Americans.. well... they really just don't care to be bothered as dying ourselves as innocent victims it seems. I HATE Bushite to death my friends, HATE them to death.
Did you hear? a group called Medimmune patented H1N1 somewhere in 2008 there abouts. A malicious Creator of a reverse engineered flu strain that has actually murdered innocent people for stolen financial gain. Actually murdered people. People, it is time for us to go forward now. Justice for all. Your call. Pick up your fucking phone losers. Be a winner!
Areal Smertponts
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Video: US House rejects Goldstone report
Rep Ros Lehtinen and Rep Berman Take on God with DEMON TREASON
"Whereas the mandate of the `fact-finding mission? makes no mention of the relentless rocket and mortar attacks, "
Demand Public Trial on these two Nazi heads for death. These were the most serious of war crime offenses ever recorded. Now, it's true, Hammas is a Zionist funded entity, regardless, the arranged cease-fire was broken by self admitting Nazi child killer Godless Israeli.
A fact is a fact, and those innocent Christian children targeted officially as mass murder victims, are dead now by America's stolen will. Forsaken by the evil ungodly demon contempt of Rep Ros Lehtinen and Rep Berman. ..Can't no one tell if they are Repuglicons or Demonrats? from who's state that "elected" them? Never heard of them either stumping for the murder of innocent Christians? Children? They hide as demon enemies of a civilizing society, to advocate more mass murder against God and Humanity. Public trial for death as traitors the truth demands. And we demand it to-day.
"it is not evidence that Hamas forced civilians to remain in their homes in order to act as human shields."
See? The objective of Demonic Zionist enemies of God and Man were to murder innocent Peoples hiding in their homes. A. Cooper on CNN covered that Nazi Israeli were traveling about ten miles an hour in the air, killing everyone, everywhere with war crime weaponry for hours, hiding in our meager homes, without so much as a sling-shot to down what almost looked to be a blimp in the blurred back ground shot traveling without fear, fifty feet up. No shit. Youtube pulled the video if that isn't enough for you. Pulled like of Israelis who claimed the Nazi State was purposefully murdering Jews to make it all look good for prime-time, for; the technology exists to shoot down tin can rockets that travel 22 miles, to leave a 12 inch scratch in the pavement. Though, the tin can rockets do/did kill Jews - likely those who religiously appose tyranny if we looked I'm sure. But who cares for the right of innocent Children victims? Again, that Israeli Nazi admit to targeting for mass murder. ADMIT. America is a nation of cowardly evil liars dying from Zionist contempt. God awful. They STEAL innocent God Loving Peoples Homes there don't you know?
More than a million American homes have been thieved, by TV American's, silenced voices against indisputable war crimes, and mercury in Vaccines. Trillions are being paid to Banksters who never covered the initial loans, trillions that Americans will continue to pay from some time until Justice is called for fairly to all concerned rightly. However, a bushite says he don't care, and Americans are shown only proud to die that way for lawless tyranny.. It's so easy as they told themselves quietly without a word for caring where they are as taken. CNN, CBC, FoxNews and the rest know the bushmob did 911 because I've told them so. They obviously don't care. NYC poisoned. Dead Cops and Firefighters with Afghanistan and Iraq made lawless as targeted for robbery, rape, and mass murder. Israeli murdering innocent kids as openly heniously evil beyond description, made pleasant and friendly as Alie. They obviously don't care.
Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Spartakus<sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > > > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, > > > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination > > > > is so small, > > > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to > > > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. > > > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts > > > you to think humans would be immune? > > Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are > > simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury > > in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans. > Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers > from bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to > kill the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
> Given the assuredness of lethal dosage, what quantity is sufficient to > just inhibit the formation of myelin sheathing in children, damage the > liver, or produce mild brain damage? Again, the quantity is not > established. You are highly irresponsible to claim there is no risk > when the risk is not known.
> Why not produce vaccines in single-dose packages? With the > technology for mass-production, what is the big deal? Or at least > discard the multi-dose containers at the end of each day, rather > than risk bacterial infection? The necessity for injecting children > with mercury has never been satisfactorily established.
Congratulations. Three paragraphs of word salad.
You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about, do you?
> >Anyone else here old enough to remember the polio epidemics of the > >late 1940s and early 1950s? And how damn grateful we were to Jonas > >Salk for inventing a vaccine to protect us? I'd like to see these > >anti-vax nutcakes face down a polio epidemic while bad-mouthing > >vaccines, I really would.
> I'm old enough to remember the long, long, LONG lines of moms and kids > for the polio vaccine when it first became available. Nobody doubted the > need for it. Salk was a hero. Mass immunizations were welcome.
> I remember the nurses would dab your arm with iodone (or some such), > and that the one in my line (at least) offered to try to make it look like > a teddy bear (or some other such thing) to try to ease the kids' anxiety.
> When the oral polio vaccine came out, we were given that in school.
> -- > Pat K. aa#1154
> "So, it was all a dream." > "No dear, this is the dream, you're still in the cell."
> email valid but not regularly monitored
The is a lot of neo-con right wing media telling (scaring) their viewers/listeners to stay away from the vaccine. I approve of that message because it may cause a culling of the neo-con herd.
I wonder how many conservatives needlessly suffered polio.
It's simple. Are you going to trust the medical profession or the entertainment/news profession? Who has the track record of being more truthful?
> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Spartakus<sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > > > > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, > > > > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination > > > > > is so small, > > > > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to > > > > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. > > > > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts > > > > you to think humans would be immune? > > > Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are > > > simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury > > > in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans. > > Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers > > from bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to > > kill the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
> > Given the assuredness of lethal dosage, what quantity is sufficient to > > just inhibit the formation of myelin sheathing in children, damage the > > liver, or produce mild brain damage? Again, the quantity is not > > established. You are highly irresponsible to claim there is no risk > > when the risk is not known.
> > Why not produce vaccines in single-dose packages? With the > > technology for mass-production, what is the big deal? Or at least > > discard the multi-dose containers at the end of each day, rather > > than risk bacterial infection? The necessity for injecting children > > with mercury has never been satisfactorily established.
> Congratulations. Three paragraphs of word salad.
> You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about, do you?
Evidently you don't. Have someone read it to you and explain.
> >On Oct 28, 1:33 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Oct 27, 9:06 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >On Oct 27, 2:46 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, > >> >> >> > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination > >> >> >> > > is so small, > >> >> >> > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to > >> >> >> > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. > >> >> >> > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts > >> >> >> > you to think humans would be immune?
> >> >> >> Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are > >> >> >> simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury > >> >> >> in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans.
> >> >> >Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers from > >> >> >bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to kill > >> >> >the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
> >> >> Are you a bacterium?
> >> >A human body is more fragile and less tolerant than a bacterium.
> >> Then you must have never been in a swimming pool. After all, that > >> chlorine which is sufficient to kill bacteria and algae must be > >> instant death for you.
> >> Moron.
> >Your signature belongs at the bottom.
> It is, moron. Your stupidity needs an education.
The chlorine in swimming pools is useful for killing only anaerobic bacteria. Only that an nothing more. The excess available oxygen in hypochlorous acid kills primarily Escherichia coli. Other bacteria can survive in chlorinated water. Algae grow regardless of chlorination -- you've never owned a swimming pool, have you?
When a human swims, the chlorine is not injected into the blood stream or flesh. I would not recommend such treatment for any condition or disease, and I don't think you would find a doctors to approve the procedure either.
> On Oct 28, 7:14 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Oct 28, 1:33 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Oct 27, 9:06 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > > >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> >On Oct 27, 2:46 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > The claims about thimerosol are ridiculous anyway, > > >> >> >> > > the tiny, tiny bit of mercury a kid gets in a vaccination > > >> >> >> > > is so small, > > >> >> >> > The amount is sufficient to kill the range of bacteria that attempt to > > >> >> >> > grow in the vaccine. That is exactly how much it is, and no less. > > >> >> >> > All living organisms are killed by mercury. What reasoning prompts > > >> >> >> > you to think humans would be immune?
> > >> >> >> Humans are exposed to mercury all the time and these minute doses are > > >> >> >> simply flushed out of the system without harm. The doses of mercury > > >> >> >> in vaccines aren't nearly enough to harm humans.
> > >> >> >Mercury is added vaccines to preserve the multi-dose containers from > > >> >> >bacterial infestation. The quantity of mercury is sufficient to kill > > >> >> >the bacteria. That is the definition of sufficiency.
> > >> >> Are you a bacterium?
> > >> >A human body is more fragile and less tolerant than a bacterium.
> > >> Then you must have never been in a swimming pool. After all, that > > >> chlorine which is sufficient to kill bacteria and algae must be > > >> instant death for you.
> > >> Moron.
> > >Your signature belongs at the bottom.
> > It is, moron. Your stupidity needs an education.
> The chlorine in swimming pools is useful for killing only anaerobic > bacteria. Only that an nothing more. The excess available oxygen in > hypochlorous acid kills primarily Escherichia coli. Other bacteria > can survive in chlorinated water. Algae grow regardless of > chlorination -- you've never owned a swimming pool, have you?
> When a human swims, the chlorine is not injected into the blood stream > or flesh. I would not recommend such treatment for any condition or > disease, and I don't think you would find a doctors to approve the > procedure either.
> TCross
Your medical "theories" are fascinating.
And truly insane. --
BDK.. Leader of the nonexistent paid shills. Non Jew Jew Club founding member. Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
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